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ggait wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:47 pm Dude was a Marine before NYPD.

Was wearing his police bullet proof vest and brought his service weapon with him to DC. Unclear if he brought the gun to the capitol. Also perjured himself like crazy while on the stand.

Just another example of how presumably normal people can completely lose their way and completely destroy their lives by listening to such a lying narcissistic psychopath. Who is playing lots of golf this summer.

And one third of the country seriously wants him back.

United States of Dumbforkistan.

Trump said he loves the uneducated….but he’s not elitist like Hillary Clinton.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:31 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:13 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:24 pm A retired New York City Police Department officer who was convicted of several felonies for attacking a D.C. cop with a flag pole on Jan. 6 and then tackling the officer to the ground and attempting to rip off his gas mask was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison on Thursday.

... the sentencing guideline said 17 years I believe. Judge was a softy.

A loser.

Maybe one day D's will get tough on crime

So, Trump is again saying that if he's reelected he will likely provide Jan 6 criminals with "full pardons and an apology". And that he's helping some out financially (bet that's actually a lie).

To me, that's also saying that he will pardon anyone else who goes to 'war' on his behalf, whatever violent or other illegal act.

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:41 pm Gotta say I'm glad to see these people paying a price for their idiocy. I can't get beyond the thought of w*t*f did you think was going to happen here? If you work yourself up into a frenzy (with a little gas being tossed on the fire by an instigator) enough to say, G..D... it, this is the hill I'm willing to die on, and you storm a Capital Bldg, you've got to know you're there for the duration. You're the dog that caught the car but you put yourself in the driver's seat and now you've got to take it where you want it to go. You can't just abandon your conquered building and walk out expecting no consequences/retaliation. I gotta figure a lot of those people who made the decision to go in the bldg that day wouldn't make the same decision today. This was a very stupid thing to do. Team USA is now kickin' the schidt out of Team Invaders....maroons.

Victim mentality includes strong desire to avoid consequences

https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/ ... urrection/

"SANTA FE — A New Mexico judge ordered Otero County Commissioner Couy Griffin be removed from office, effective immediately, ruling that the attack on the Capitol was an insurrection and that Griffin’s participation in it disqualified him under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. This decision marks the first time since 1869 that a court has disqualified a public official under Section 3, and the first time that any court has ruled the events of January 6, 2021 an insurrection.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Disqualification Clause, bars any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath…to support the Constitution of the United States” as an “officer of any State” and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or gave “aid or comfort” to insurrectionists. Griffin, as an Otero County Commissioner since January 2019, took an oath to “support and uphold the Constitution and laws of the State of New Mexico, and the Constitution of the United States.”

This jerk also refused to certify the last state election.
First removal by a court since 1869.

Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:24 am https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/ ... urrection/

"SANTA FE — A New Mexico judge ordered Otero County Commissioner Couy Griffin be removed from office, effective immediately, ruling that the attack on the Capitol was an insurrection and that Griffin’s participation in it disqualified him under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. This decision marks the first time since 1869 that a court has disqualified a public official under Section 3, and the first time that any court has ruled the events of January 6, 2021 an insurrection.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Disqualification Clause, bars any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath…to support the Constitution of the United States” as an “officer of any State” and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or gave “aid or comfort” to insurrectionists. Griffin, as an Otero County Commissioner since January 2019, took an oath to “support and uphold the Constitution and laws of the State of New Mexico, and the Constitution of the United States.”

This jerk also refused to certify the last state election.
First removal by a court since 1869.

'Bout time.

“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.”

The Select Committee investigated how Trump’s call to arms inspired extremists to go to Washington on January 6th.

https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/stat ... 3289693185

The DOJ drops a notification bombshell as part of the 40+ subpoenas issued and reveals it is criminally investigating 1) false statements 2) conspiracy and 3) obstruction committed by the former DOPUS administration surrounding January 6.. Hoo boy.


His FLA lawyer know his client - who secured an upfront payment of $3 million (which was paid by Orange Cheato's Save America PAC)

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Roll your eyes at this.

https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

...the chances for such a commission are imperiled. A bill to establish it passed the House last Wednesday with support from every Democrat and 35 Republicans. But most others in the GOP, including party leaders, have come out strongly against the bill, with the party’s senators planning a filibuster.

Republicans have evidently calculated that such a commission’s findings would likely hurt their party’s electoral prospects.

But even if a deal does somehow come together, there are real reasons to doubt whether such a commission would achieve anything substantial.

There’s nothing magical about this proposed bipartisan commission — it would have the same formal powers as any ordinary congressional committee looking into the matter. In fact, its requirement for bipartisan support to issue subpoenas means it could well be less aggressive at unearthing new information than, say, a Democratic-only House committee investigation could be.

Its hoped-for advantage would instead be in the realm of messaging. The idea is that if such a body is deemed above politics, it could deliver an assessment of what happened that would be viewed as credible by both sides, shaping a national narrative.

This second aim is what supporters of a January 6 commission are really hoping to achieve. The hope is that, if the reasonable Republicans and Democrats could only get together, they could reach consensus and sagely explain how and why the Capitol was stormed, and how the US can stop something like it from happening again.

It’s a doomed hope.

The sunny view of bipartisan commissions is that members of both parties boldly manage to put politics aside and do the right thing for the country. The more cynical and probably more realistic way to look at them is that politics never truly leaves the process — especially when the issue has serious electoral implications for both parties.

The storming of the Capitol is an issue with very different partisan dynamics, and it’s difficult to imagine what a “balanced” report on it could look like. Any broad and serious assessment of what happened only has a realistic chance of making one party — the party of Donald Trump — look bad. And Republicans have been very clear that, for electoral reasons, they don’t want to do this.

In practice, the commission would spotlight an issue that divides the GOP
Even though Republicans would likely be able to prevent a bipartisan 1/6 commission from achieving much of substance, they’d really prefer not to have one at all.

That’s because, as Thune admitted above and as Liz Cheney’s ouster shows, party strategists view any discussion of Trump’s attempt to overturn the election result as a harmful issue for their party at this point. They want to make the 2022 elections about Biden and Democrats, not Trump.

Democrats, meanwhile, have electoral incentives to try and keep the storming of the Capitol in the news however they can. “Democrats should spend every day tying all of it to the Republican Party,” political consultant James Carville recently told my colleague Sean Illing. (McConnell has reportedly been sharing that interview to argue that Democrats are motivated by politics here.)

So if electoral and messaging advantage is the true goal, the commission would still be worthwhile for Democrats. But feel-good bipartisanship isn’t in the cards, and fact-finding would probably be difficult too if the Republican commissioners agree to vote as a bloc against any controversial subpoenas.

Do Democrats have fallback options if the bill doesn’t pass?
In any event, theories of how such a commission would play out are probably moot, unless there’s a surprising sudden shift in Senate Republicans’ thinking.

Currently, there are a few Senate Republicans, like Susan Collins (R-ME) and Mitt Romney (R-UT), who sound open to supporting a changed version of the bill (Collins wants the staff to be bipartisan, and Romney wants to ensure that they’ll finish by their end-of-year deadline). Many others, though, are dug in firmly against the idea and seem immovable. So the current betting is that the 10 GOP votes needed to overcome a filibuster will not materialize.

What, then, can Democrats do instead?

It’s useful again to remember the two main things such a commission can do — fact-finding and narrative-shaping.

As far as formal fact-finding powers go, a congressional committee can do everything a bipartisan commission can do; namely, it can hold hearings and issue subpoenas. One advantage the commission might have is unified focus on one topic — but that could also be achieved by establishing a special “select committee” to investigate January 6, as House Republicans did for Benghazi.

And when it comes to shaping the narrative, it does seem that congressional committees would, more likely, be deemed partisan by the media, as compared to a special bipartisan commission. But the hope to establish one consensus national narrative around the events of January 6 was always a pipe dream.

Most Republican voters now inhabit an information environment dominated by conservative media outlets like Fox and social media similarly designed to tell them what they want to hear. Acknowledging that reality, the most Democrats may be able to do is push on forward, trying to gather facts and make a public case to their best of their ability — on their own.

...too dumb to recognize the difference between a bipartisan commission & a select committee.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:21 am ...too dumb to recognize the difference between a bipartisan commission & a select committee.

Often seems that way.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:46 pm

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:23 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:41 pm Gotta say I'm glad to see these people paying a price for their idiocy. I can't get beyond the thought of w*t*f did you think was going to happen here? If you work yourself up into a frenzy (with a little gas being tossed on the fire by an instigator) enough to say, G..D... it, this is the hill I'm willing to die on, and you storm a Capital Bldg, you've got to know you're there for the duration. You're the dog that caught the car but you put yourself in the driver's seat and now you've got to take it where you want it to go. You can't just abandon your conquered building and walk out expecting no consequences/retaliation. I gotta figure a lot of those people who made the decision to go in the bldg that day wouldn't make the same decision today. This was a very stupid thing to do. Team USA is now kickin' the schidt out of Team Invaders....maroons.

It’s good to see serious sentences being handed out yet simultaneously sad for the country that the Con Man had such an effect. Just wait for the Civil War. It’ll be the new Trail of Tears or trial of tears.

Peasants fighting for the ruling class.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isCh4kCeNYU

My belief is that the need for a select committee will go away this fall and the ball will be picked up and advanced, with gusto, by the DoJ.

Prediction: Benedict Trump declares his '24 candidacy at or around the moment the last polling place in the US closes on November 8th...followed (preceded?) almost simultaneously by DoJ's announcement of numerous indictments against Dear Leader and several of his conspirators...

..

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

Shocker. Couldn't see this coming.

"A growing number of Capitol rioters facing federal prosecution have been charged for other unrelated crimes — from domestic violence to gun and drug charges — according to a review of DOJ records published by CBS News.

In one instance, federal authorities said a Navy reservist went into "panic mode" after the Capitol riot and made $50,000 in firearms-related purchases, The Washington Post reported. Hatchet Speed, who was charged June in connection to the riot, was also indicted by a Virginia grand jury on three counts of unlawful possession of a silencer, per CBS News.

Kene Lazo, another Capitol rioter, was arrested by federal authorities in May 2021 for being part of the insurrection but was arrested again three months later in Virginia on domestic violence charges, CBS News reported.

Prosecutors used Lazo's domestic violence charge to get him a prison sentence, CBS News reported. In another case, police discovered guns and controlled substances when they searched Elias Costianes' Maryland home in connection to the riot, leading to further charges, the outlet reported.


Insider has reported that so far, 910 have faced charges in connection to the January 6 insurrection.

Michael Greenberger, a law professor at the University of Maryland told CBS News that the politicization of the prosecution of January 6 defendants could potentially increase their likelihood of ending up back in prison.

Additionally, these additional charges could make it harder for the defendants to get lenient sentences in their Capitol riot charges and could mean that other defendants could struggle to secure pretrial releases.

Greenberger told CBS News that Trump's rhetoric "leaves these bad actors with little doubt that they will ultimately be forgiven—if not lionized."


He continued, "Reality, however, is likely to settle upon those guys when they are ultimately sentenced or re-sentenced to many years in jail."

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-worl ... 81831.html

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

You deduce all that from me pointing out that a select committee is different from a bi-partisan commission ?

Dust off your Magic 8 Ball. I remain happy to let the DoJ investigate & proceed accordingly.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:59 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

You deduce all that from me pointing out that a select committee is different from a bi-partisan commission ?

Dust off your Magic 8 Ball.

Then stop doing playing this game.

Why the F did you go to all the trouble to diminish what the Committee is doing? If you don't want us to infer stuff? Stop implying stuff, OS. I promise your idea that everyone is putting words in your mouth will go away.

But as you and I both know.....most of the time? You do this on purpose. You're throwing stones at those who are trying to help Americans see what a dangerous POS Trump is.....so don't clutch pearls when we ask you why you keep stumping for Trump.

A Select Committee:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... n_Benghazi

And some more:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investi ... azi_attack

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:03 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:59 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

You deduce all that from me pointing out that a select committee is different from a bi-partisan commission ?

Dust off your Magic 8 Ball.

Then stop doing playing this game.

Why the F did you go to all the trouble to diminish what the Committee is doing? If you don't want us to infer stuff? Stop implying stuff, OS. I promise your idea that everyone is putting words in your mouth will go away.

But as you and I both know.....most of the time? You do this on purpose. You're throwing stones at those who are trying to help Americans see what a dangerous POS Trump is.....so don't clutch pearls when we ask you why you keep stumping for Trump.

Good grief ! I wasn't even paying attention to this thread until TLD quoted me from May 19, for some unknowable reason, with an old article about a bi-partisan commission, as if he thinks the Jan 6th select committee is the same thing as a bi-partisan commission.
I have not been posting about the Jan 6 committee recently.

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:24 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:03 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:59 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:21 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Roll your eyes at this.
https://www.vox.com/2021/5/25/22445422/ ... filibuster

old salt wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:22 am Any bipartisan January 6 commission is probably doomed

I don't get it. You seem to be proud that your party has no intention of holding Trump or others responsible for Jan 6th? And to let him waltz into the White House again because Republicans have lost their sense of honor and morals.

A man you called "unfit for office".

How bad do you want Trump to run in 2024? Because that's what you're asking for....you get that, right?

You deduce all that from me pointing out that a select committee is different from a bi-partisan commission ?

Dust off your Magic 8 Ball.

Then stop doing playing this game.

Why the F did you go to all the trouble to diminish what the Committee is doing? If you don't want us to infer stuff? Stop implying stuff, OS. I promise your idea that everyone is putting words in your mouth will go away.

But as you and I both know.....most of the time? You do this on purpose. You're throwing stones at those who are trying to help Americans see what a dangerous POS Trump is.....so don't clutch pearls when we ask you why you keep stumping for Trump.

Good grief ! I wasn't even paying attention to this thread until TLD quoted me from May 19, for some unknowable reason, with an old article about a bi-partisan commission, as if he thinks the Jan 6th select committee is the same thing as a bi-partisan commission.
I have not been posting about the Jan 6 committee recently.

I don’t know what you are talking about.