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PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:37 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

... nope. BW has it as a written policy that applies to all patients.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:26 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:37 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

... nope. BW has it as a written policy that applies to all patients.

has this been a policy for many other vaccines over the years?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:33 pm ... apparently hospitals in Colorado and Ohio have recently disqualified patients for transplant using the same medical reasoning. The American Society of Transplantation strongly recommends that organ recipients and their household members be vaccinated against COVID-19. Most hospitals require it. Not just COVID but relevant vaccinations (including the flu).

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:29 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:26 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:37 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

... nope. BW has it as a written policy that applies to all patients.

has this been a policy for many other vaccines over the years?

Yes! For the reasons the doctor gave-----you're immunocompromised after a transplant, and as weak as a sick kitten. A cold can kill you.

Here's one NIH paper about vaccines and transplants from 2003, before "some guy on the internet" replaced MD's.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC164225/

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:38 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:29 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:26 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:37 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:48 pm “ A Boston-area hospital said it will not perform a heart transplant on a patient who refuses to get a Covid-19 vaccination.
DJ Ferguson, 31, was previously prioritized for a heart transplant at Brigham and Women’s hospital, but is no longer eligible as he refuses to get vaccinated, said Ferguson’s family, according to a report by CBS Boston.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... 19-vaccine

I hope they sue. Discrimination at it's finest.

... nope. BW has it as a written policy that applies to all patients.

has this been a policy for many other vaccines over the years?

Yes! For the reasons the doctor gave-----you're immunocompromised after a transplant, and as weak as a sick kitten. A cold can kill you.

Here's one NIH paper about vaccines and transplants from 2003, before "some guy on the internet" replaced MD's.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC164225/

thanks.

but i'm starting to get the feeling that you're discounting the research that people are out there doing.

tech37 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:15 am I see that Covid vaccine zealotry has raised it's ugly head again.

First of all, we lost my bro-in-law, a victim of lymphoma a few years ago. It was a systemic infection, post bone marrow transplant, not lymphoma that did him in. So I know full well how the immune system is compromised following these kinds of operations. Knowing him well, my b-i-l would have accepted any vaccination updates (and probably did, I would need to ask my sister) that his doctors would have recommended...he was that sort of guy. But that's not the point, is it? The patient in Boston feels/thinks differently.

The Boston hospital my well have a policy but that is based upon recommendation, possibly mandatory requirement, but not law.

“Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off. The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, Covid could kill you,” said Dr Arthur Caplan, the head of medical ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, told CBS Boston.

Hypothetically... If I'm the Covid vaccine-hesitant patient and I'm considering a cost/benefit analysis and understand that anything might kill me, even a common cold, that fact could certainly make me less likely to take the vaccine, not more. Considering the patient's anti-Covid-vaxx justification, in his mind, why do the vaccine when the chances that something common, that I'm not going to be vaccinated against might do me in anyway. He will accept the risk of passing on the vaccine, based on his obviously strong feelings and clear conscience.

“The organs are scarce: we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving.”

No one has a problem with the statement above? Does the Hippocratic Oath need to be mentioned again?

This patient needs timely care and has already been given "prioritized" status (whatever that means at this hospital). Because he doesn't wish to follow the rules, having weighed the risks and his conscience to make a personal healthcare decision, the hospital pulls him out of line in order to give his "prioritized" spot to someone who doesn't share his vaxx-hesitancy and follows the rules. I'm no lawyer of course, but IMO, it seems a case for discrimination could be made.

I hope this guy finds another hospital that will be more tolerant/compromising, considering his needs, and in time.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:15 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:56 pm Neil Young to Spotify - "You can have (Joe) Rogan or (Neil) Young. Not both."

That's too bad. Maybe Neil should go on Rogan's program... he might change his mind.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:36 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:15 am I see that Covid vaccine zealotry has raised it's ugly head again.

First of all, we lost my bro-in-law, a victim of lymphoma a few years ago. It was a systemic infection, post bone marrow transplant, not lymphoma that did him in. So I know full well how the immune system is compromised following these kinds of operations. Knowing him well, my b-i-l would have accepted any vaccination updates (and probably did, I would need to ask my sister) that his doctors would have recommended...he was that sort of guy. But that's not the point, is it? The patient in Boston feels/thinks differently.

The Boston hospital my well have a policy but that is based upon recommendation, possibly mandatory requirement, but not law.

“Post any transplant, kidney, heart whatever, your immune system is shut off. The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, Covid could kill you,” said Dr Arthur Caplan, the head of medical ethics at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, told CBS Boston.

Hypothetically... If I'm the Covid vaccine-hesitant patient and I'm considering a cost/benefit analysis and understand that anything might kill me, even a common cold, that fact could certainly make me less likely to take the vaccine, not more. Considering the patient's anti-Covid-vaxx justification, in his mind, why do the vaccine when the chances that something common, that I'm not going to be vaccinated against might do me in anyway. He will accept the risk of passing on the vaccine, based on his obviously strong feelings and clear conscience.

“The organs are scarce: we are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance post-surgery of surviving.”

No one has a problem with the statement above? Does the Hippocratic Oath need to be mentioned again?

This patient needs timely care and has already been given "prioritized" status (whatever that means at this hospital). Because he doesn't wish to follow the rules, having weighed the risks and his conscience to make a personal healthcare decision, the hospital pulls him out of line in order to give his "prioritized" spot to someone who doesn't share his vaxx-hesitancy and follows the rules. I'm no lawyer of course, but IMO, it seems a case for discrimination could be made.

I hope this guy finds another hospital that will be more tolerant/compromising, considering his needs, and in time.

The whole business is troubling, of course, and I think we can all feel for the guy at some level. But (serious question, because I don't know) isn't this what hospitals in the transplant business do: make decisions about an exceedingly finite resource being matched with a proper recipient? No drunks or drug addicts allowed. Certainly likely that other medical and personal issues are disqualifying. Not sure how this is different except for the extremely political environment in which all things vaccination are now discussed.

Sorry about your brother-in-law; hope your sister and her family are doing OK.