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[MDlaxfan76]

Looks like US intel is now claiming US satellite images show the plane was shot down by a missile originating in Iran. Speculation is it is the same type of missile that brought down the Ukrainian plane over Russia/Ukraine a couple years ago.

Looks like it was an Iranian f**k up.

Think it was a MH17, a Malaysian 777 (carrying many Dutch citizens) shot down by Russian surface-to air missile battery from occupied Ukrainian territory. They had film of the truck launcher heading back across the border into Russia minus one missile.

Both CBS, WSJ and Newsweek all reporting this now

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ir ... 020-01-09/

Also Reuters showing photos of pieces of fuselage with pitting/marks indicating possible explosion outside the aircraft (as would occur with a missile) had already attracted the attention of some investigators. Similar marks were visible on wreckage of MH17.

The thinking is that the plane was mistakenly targeted in some fashion for some reason and that the Iranians did not intend to take down a civilian aircraft.

We may never know unless the Iranians open up the investigation outside of their country

Another short straw drawn by the Ukrainians. Very tough for them. 63 Canadian citizens also on the plane.

I suspect that the press is playing games with the passenger count. From what I read two days ago, the Canadian citizens, most of them are dual citizenship - also Iranian citizens. This is not an incident where it mostly effects westerners. The Iranian population took the biggest hit I believe. This is going to be a bitter pill for the Iranian population to swallow. A real problem for the government.

Amazing how the Trumpnista grab on to this and have no trouble believing US intelligence. Suddenly not the deep state.

NY Times has posted a video (from well before the crash) that appears to show the airliner being hit by the missile, then it apparently turned around and headed back toward the airport before exploding...

https://t.co/yAuu7vWdxf

If true, that suggests that the pilots remained in some level of control...yet didn't radio in???

[RedFromMI]

From Twitter (roughly posted at 3:30 EST):

Shimon Prokupecz
@ShimonPro

CNN: Ukraine plane was shot down by Iran using two Russian made surface to air missiles, US official. The US saw Iranian radar signals lock onto the jetliner. The morning after the incident, US analysts discovered the data but took another day to verify.

[Kismet]

Also from Twitter
Mark Hertling
@MarkHertling
"Iran has over 80 Russian-made TOR 1 (SA-15, NATO “Gauntlet”) systems, manned by soldiers who’ve never fired them in combat.
Any Iranian commander about to launch a missile atk against the US would put these near Tehran’s airport to defend against retaliatory cruise strikes."

Gen. Hertling was a Commanding General of U.S. Army Europe and the Seventh Army, served in Armor, Cavalry, planning, operations and training positions, and commanded every organization from Platoon to Field Army. He commanded the U.S. Army's 1st Armored Division and Task Force Iron/Multinational Division-North in Iraq during the troop surge of 2007 to 2008.

[MDlaxfan76]

Also from Twitter
Mark Hertling
@MarkHertling
"Iran has over 80 Russian-made TOR 1 (SA-15, NATO “Gauntlet”) systems, manned by soldiers who’ve never fired them in combat.
Any Iranian commander about to launch a missile atk against the US would put these near Tehran’s airport to defend against retaliatory cruise strikes."

Gen. Hertling was a Commanding General of U.S. Army Europe and the Seventh Army, served in Armor, Cavalry, planning, operations and training positions, and commanded every organization from Platoon to Field Army. He commanded the U.S. Army's 1st Armored Division and Task Force Iron/Multinational Division-North in Iraq during the troop surge of 2007 to 2008.

Makes a lot of sense that this is what happened. Tragic.

[jhu72]

Also from Twitter
Mark Hertling
@MarkHertling
"Iran has over 80 Russian-made TOR 1 (SA-15, NATO “Gauntlet”) systems, manned by soldiers who’ve never fired them in combat.
Any Iranian commander about to launch a missile atk against the US would put these near Tehran’s airport to defend against retaliatory cruise strikes."

Gen. Hertling was a Commanding General of U.S. Army Europe and the Seventh Army, served in Armor, Cavalry, planning, operations and training positions, and commanded every organization from Platoon to Field Army. He commanded the U.S. Army's 1st Armored Division and Task Force Iron/Multinational Division-North in Iraq during the troop surge of 2007 to 2008.

Reminds me of the old cold war joke. When it became clear the rooskie's ICBMs became accurate enough to hit US silos and take them out there was a big debate about how to make them mobile. Someone came up with the bright idea of mounting them on the top of RV's stocked with cases of beer driven by Texans.

[old salt]

Also from Twitter
Mark Hertling
@MarkHertling
"Iran has over 80 Russian-made TOR 1 (SA-15, NATO “Gauntlet”) systems, manned by soldiers who’ve never fired them in combat.
Any Iranian commander about to launch a missile atk against the US would put these near Tehran’s airport to defend against retaliatory cruise strikes."

Gen. Hertling was a Commanding General of U.S. Army Europe and the Seventh Army, served in Armor, Cavalry, planning, operations and training positions, and commanded every organization from Platoon to Field Army. He commanded the U.S. Army's 1st Armored Division and Task Force Iron/Multinational Division-North in Iraq during the troop surge of 2007 to 2008.

Reminds me of the old cold war joke. When it became clear the rooskie's ICBMs became accurate enough to hit US silos and take them out there was a big debate about how to make them mobile. Someone came up with the bright idea of mounting them on the top of RV's stocked with cases of beer driven by Texans.

.. ...Stop it, you're givin' me a boner.

I wonder if the missile crew's radar had an overlay of ATC radar ?
Unimaginable they'd delegate shoot/no shoot authority to the crew level.

[cradleandshoot]

Also from Twitter
Mark Hertling
@MarkHertling
"Iran has over 80 Russian-made TOR 1 (SA-15, NATO “Gauntlet”) systems, manned by soldiers who’ve never fired them in combat.
Any Iranian commander about to launch a missile atk against the US would put these near Tehran’s airport to defend against retaliatory cruise strikes."

Gen. Hertling was a Commanding General of U.S. Army Europe and the Seventh Army, served in Armor, Cavalry, planning, operations and training positions, and commanded every organization from Platoon to Field Army. He commanded the U.S. Army's 1st Armored Division and Task Force Iron/Multinational Division-North in Iraq during the troop surge of 2007 to 2008.

Reminds me of the old cold war joke. When it became clear the rooskie's ICBMs became accurate enough to hit US silos and take them out there was a big debate about how to make them mobile. Someone came up with the bright idea of mounting them on the top of RV's stocked with cases of beer driven by Texans.

.. ...Stop it, you're givin' me a boner.

I wonder if the missile crew's radar had an overlay of ATC radar ?
Unimaginable they'd delegate shoot/no shoot authority to the crew level.

Even more unimaginable that these gun crews didn't know what they were firing at. These folks would never pull the trigger on their own. The order to fire had to come from higher up.

[youthathletics]

John Kerry keepin' it real, back in 2016: https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics ... index.html

"I think that some of it will end up in the hands of the IRGC or other entities, some of which are labeled terrorists," he said in the interview in Davos, referring to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps. "You know, to some degree, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that every component of that can be prevented."

[youthathletics]

From Twitter (roughly posted at 3:30 EST):

Shimon Prokupecz
@ShimonPro

CNN: Ukraine plane was shot down by Iran using two Russian made surface to air missiles, US official. The US saw Iranian radar signals lock onto the jetliner. The morning after the incident, US analysts discovered the data but took another day to verify.

JHC....what a clown show their military must really be. Missed a stationary targets by miles and yet hit a moving target precisely. Almost makes you think they intentionally have that backwards....missed the stationary target by a mile on purpose and intentionally hit the moving target. Certainly makes you wonder.

[tech37]

Looks like US intel is now claiming US satellite images show the plane was shot down by a missile originating in Iran. Speculation is it is the same type of missile that brought down the Ukrainian plane over Russia/Ukraine a couple years ago.

Looks like it was an Iranian f**k up.

Think it was a MH17, a Malaysian 777 (carrying many Dutch citizens) shot down by Russian surface-to air missile battery from occupied Ukrainian territory. They had film of the truck launcher heading back across the border into Russia minus one missile.

Both CBS, WSJ and Newsweek all reporting this now

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ir ... 020-01-09/

Also Reuters showing photos of pieces of fuselage with pitting/marks indicating possible explosion outside the aircraft (as would occur with a missile) had already attracted the attention of some investigators. Similar marks were visible on wreckage of MH17.

The thinking is that the plane was mistakenly targeted in some fashion for some reason and that the Iranians did not intend to take down a civilian aircraft.

We may never know unless the Iranians open up the investigation outside of their country

Another short straw drawn by the Ukrainians. Very tough for them. 63 Canadian citizens also on the plane.

I suspect that the press is playing games with the passenger count. From what I read two days ago, the Canadian citizens, most of them are dual citizenship - also Iranian citizens. This is not an incident where it mostly effects westerners. The Iranian population took the biggest hit I believe. This is going to be a bitter pill for the Iranian population to swallow. A real problem for the government.

Amazing how the Trumpnista grab on to this and have no trouble believing US intelligence. Suddenly not the deep state.

NY Times has posted a video (from well before the crash) that appears to show the airliner being hit by the missile, then it apparently turned around and headed back toward the airport before exploding...

https://t.co/yAuu7vWdxf

If true, that suggests that the pilots remained in some level of control...yet didn't radio in???

mdlax criticizes the actions of pilots of a civilian airliner hit by a surface-to-air missile...insufferable! What would you have done Underdog? Your credibility on this board is waning, IMO.

[youthathletics]

Looks like US intel is now claiming US satellite images show the plane was shot down by a missile originating in Iran. Speculation is it is the same type of missile that brought down the Ukrainian plane over Russia/Ukraine a couple years ago.

Looks like it was an Iranian f**k up.

Think it was a MH17, a Malaysian 777 (carrying many Dutch citizens) shot down by Russian surface-to air missile battery from occupied Ukrainian territory. They had film of the truck launcher heading back across the border into Russia minus one missile.

Both CBS, WSJ and Newsweek all reporting this now

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ir ... 020-01-09/

Also Reuters showing photos of pieces of fuselage with pitting/marks indicating possible explosion outside the aircraft (as would occur with a missile) had already attracted the attention of some investigators. Similar marks were visible on wreckage of MH17.

The thinking is that the plane was mistakenly targeted in some fashion for some reason and that the Iranians did not intend to take down a civilian aircraft.

We may never know unless the Iranians open up the investigation outside of their country

Another short straw drawn by the Ukrainians. Very tough for them. 63 Canadian citizens also on the plane.

I suspect that the press is playing games with the passenger count. From what I read two days ago, the Canadian citizens, most of them are dual citizenship - also Iranian citizens. This is not an incident where it mostly effects westerners. The Iranian population took the biggest hit I believe. This is going to be a bitter pill for the Iranian population to swallow. A real problem for the government.

Amazing how the Trumpnista grab on to this and have no trouble believing US intelligence. Suddenly not the deep state.

NY Times has posted a video (from well before the crash) that appears to show the airliner being hit by the missile, then it apparently turned around and headed back toward the airport before exploding...

https://t.co/yAuu7vWdxf

If true, that suggests that the pilots remained in some level of control...yet didn't radio in???

mdlax criticizes the actions of pilots of a civilian airliner hit by a surface-to-air missile...insufferable! What would you have done Underdog? Your credibility on this board is waning, IMO.

md right now....

[youthathletics]

Dan Crenshaw on the current Iran events. https://www.instagram.com/tv/B7HcEORJOb ... v8au320249

[old salt]

Useful info in the video clip below from CBS's David Martin in yesterday's 8:14 pm update.
When facts emerge, it is revealing to see the benefit of the doubt our MSM gave the Iranians in their initial speculation.
So much for the benign "intent to miss" & courtesy early warning theory.
Meanwhile, they went nuts over a leaked rough draft of a planning letter by our troops under fire.

There were stunned expressions of sadness on the MSNBC talking heads today when the news of the shoot down was breaking.
The same number of souls were already lost, but there were few signs of concern when they thought they could blame Boeing.
Now they are forced to confront the malevolence of the Iranians they've been defending.
How soon will MSNBC & CNN be airing fluff documentaries on the Life & Times of General Soleimani ?
Andy Rooney would be proud of his CBS colleague David Martin. He gets it right before he speculates.

[CU77]

So in the last couple of days I've seen three personal attacks here on Mdlaxfan: os called him a troll, tech37 sneeringly called him "Underdog", and youath posted an insulting gif.

Get it together, Trumpistas! Back in the pre-Trump days you had actual arguments. Now it seems all you can do is hurl insults.

[old salt]

Dan Crenshaw on the current Iran events. https://www.instagram.com/tv/B7HcEORJOb ... v8au320249

Here, Here !

[youthathletics]

So in the last couple of days I've seen three personal attacks here on Mdlaxfan: os called him a troll, tech37 sneeringly called him "Underdog", and youath posted an insulting gif.

Get it together, Trumpistas! Back in the pre-Trump days you had actual arguments. Now it seems all you can do is hurl insults.

Insulting? He is known for lengthy posts. It was an endearing gif image for his attentions to detail.

[a fan]

Dan Crenshaw on the current Iran events. https://www.instagram.com/tv/B7HcEORJOb ... v8au320249

Here, Here !

Could have used the exact---EXACT--- same reasoning to stay in Vietnam to this very day. They're attacking our troops in this region. "Therefore", we should stay in this region, and attack those who attack us.

And he's playing politics here, just like Nikki Haley. No one is suggesting that our troops not defend themselves. What we are suggesting is: the best way to defend our troops in this region is to get our troops the F out of this region. And many think that taking out the General will keep us engaged with Iran for another 30 F ing years. That's why we're upset. I don't give F about some General I've never heard of until last week.




Btw, the idiom you are looking for is "hear, hear".

[MDlaxfan76]

Looks like US intel is now claiming US satellite images show the plane was shot down by a missile originating in Iran. Speculation is it is the same type of missile that brought down the Ukrainian plane over Russia/Ukraine a couple years ago.

Looks like it was an Iranian f**k up.

Think it was a MH17, a Malaysian 777 (carrying many Dutch citizens) shot down by Russian surface-to air missile battery from occupied Ukrainian territory. They had film of the truck launcher heading back across the border into Russia minus one missile.

Both CBS, WSJ and Newsweek all reporting this now

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ir ... 020-01-09/

Also Reuters showing photos of pieces of fuselage with pitting/marks indicating possible explosion outside the aircraft (as would occur with a missile) had already attracted the attention of some investigators. Similar marks were visible on wreckage of MH17.

The thinking is that the plane was mistakenly targeted in some fashion for some reason and that the Iranians did not intend to take down a civilian aircraft.

We may never know unless the Iranians open up the investigation outside of their country

Another short straw drawn by the Ukrainians. Very tough for them. 63 Canadian citizens also on the plane.

I suspect that the press is playing games with the passenger count. From what I read two days ago, the Canadian citizens, most of them are dual citizenship - also Iranian citizens. This is not an incident where it mostly effects westerners. The Iranian population took the biggest hit I believe. This is going to be a bitter pill for the Iranian population to swallow. A real problem for the government.

Amazing how the Trumpnista grab on to this and have no trouble believing US intelligence. Suddenly not the deep state.

NY Times has posted a video (from well before the crash) that appears to show the airliner being hit by the missile, then it apparently turned around and headed back toward the airport before exploding...

https://t.co/yAuu7vWdxf

If true, that suggests that the pilots remained in some level of control...yet didn't radio in???

mdlax criticizes the actions of pilots of a civilian airliner hit by a surface-to-air missile...insufferable! What would you have done Underdog? Your credibility on this board is waning, IMO.

Really? You read me as criticizing the pilots???

Not at all, I'm just wondering how there wasn't a radio transmission if they still had some control over the plane...it said for 2 more minutes after the missile strike. Maybe the missile somehow knocked out the radio? The black box will likely have the explanation.

Come on, tech, you don't have to assume I'm a jerk and an idiot for every post.
We can disagree but let's not jump to conclusions about what each other means.

[MDlaxfan76]

So in the last couple of days I've seen three personal attacks here on Mdlaxfan: os called him a troll, tech37 sneeringly called him "Underdog", and youath posted an insulting gif.

Get it together, Trumpistas! Back in the pre-Trump days you had actual arguments. Now it seems all you can do is hurl insults.

Insulting? He is known for lengthy posts. It was an endearing gif image for his attentions to detail.

The gif was funny, albeit in response to a very short post.... so less apt in that moment.
"endearing", well that's a stretch, but ok.

Not even sure what the "Underdog" insult even meant, so less funny.
"troll" has been a recent favorite of OS when he's struggling for something cogent to say.
He usually recovers in due course.
Personally, I think there's only one true "troll" that frequents these threads and he's on 'leave' right now.
The rest is repartee.

[old salt]

cogent = less than 1500 words.