All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[ggait]

The alternative is fighting a legal battle is pure decision. Sure was can easily he’s in idiot, but if he wins he sets a legal precedent for many to follow.

NFW this dumb ass is going to win. Because, among other reasons, (i) there's binding SCOTUS precedent on this for over 100 years and (ii) his claims of religious objection are complete crap. He's just trying to shake down Wazzou for some dough.

He's now unemployed and unemployable. So this guy is now too poor to pay for a fight over some alleged principle that will be DOA in court.

The lawyer who has been hired is presumably working on contingency. They'll settle for what they can get, as fast as they can get it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Not disagreeing here....well, maybe a little for discussion purposes. But the religious exemption seems the lesser of two evils than flat out refusing on principal.

It’s not like he has a coaching association to back up across the board....or maybe he does and we I am don’t know about one.

The alternative is fighting a legal battle is pure decision. Sure was can easily he’s in idiot, but if he wins he sets a legal precedent for many to follow.

[Farfromgeneva]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

No, I don't. You still haven't told me who you trust that is actively investigating the virus' origin.

US intel? They already published a one sheet saying that they know it wasn't bio warfare. Do you trust them?

WHO...you already said you don't trust them, so they're out.

So who else is looking into this? Serious question.

Bret Weinstein, Men In Black Dude and Joe Rogan.

Chicken Pot Pieee!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ajG0OzxzLbk

[Farfromgeneva]

The old ball coach ain’t going down without a fight!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... sue-firing

I’m going to suuue you it’s so unfair. I was tough before but now I’m the victim.

[Farfromgeneva]

The old ball coach ain’t going down without a fight!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... sue-firing

Seems like the “devout Catholic” Rolovich has little regard for the views of Pope Francis, who considers vaccination an “act of love.”

So, who does he follow, exactly?


DocBarrister

The gemstones

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t383UpoLV5k

[kramerica.inc]

Ok. Step one complete.

We’ve set the rules for the working folk.

Now all we need is Biden to require everyone receiving government assistance to get vaccinated or lose their benefits. We’ll clear this COVID thing up quickly.

As aFan tells us, gov assistance crosses all demographics and parties.

Does Biden have the balls to do it, does he really want to end this pandemic? Or does he just like playing politics with the vaccine?

[a fan]

Does Biden have the balls to do it

No. Because it would mean yanking home loans, farm insurance, farm subsidies, and on and on and on.

Those people, in my experience, don't think that that's government assistance. Dems would never win another election if you pulled these handouts.

does he really want to end this pandemic?

Yes.

Or does he just like playing politics with the vaccine?

Like every other politician in the US? Of course.

[jhu72]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

... we have you figured out.

[tech37]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

... we have you figured out.

Ha ha good one. Re the virus strains discovered in Laos, can you explain why you're citing work that isn't peer reviewed as "fact"? Seriously, why do that?

Also, please explain how the discovery of these viruses changes the possibility of Wuhan lab-leak in any way?

[tech37]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

No, I don't. You still haven't told me who you trust that is actively investigating the virus' origin.
I trust Morning Joe and Maddow of course

US intel? They already published a one sheet saying that they know it wasn't bio warfare. Do you trust them?
I realize you're not accusing but please find any post I've made referring to what happened at Wuhan having anything to do with bio warfare. Since this began, my opinion was and remains that it was an accident, not intentional.

WHO...you already said you don't trust them, so they're out.
You have made it clear you don't care one way or the other, but objectively, do you trust them with this new investigation? Do you find it strange they would announce this new inquiry with the "last chance" qualifier to solve pandemic origin?

So who else is looking into this? Serious question.
Hopefully... independent, unbiased scientists and honest journalists continue to. "Last chance" IMO isn't acceptable and shouldn't be to anyone who cares.

[Bart]

having only recently received my internet medical certification, i almost hesitate to comment.

however, we've had 10s of millions of cases stateside
and 100s of millions globally. and decent numbers added each day. the lack of high powered trials... rcts may be the only ones that count... for potential therapeutics is embarassing. imo.

https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/arti ... apy-trials

Thanks for that link. Lots of interesting stuff in there. Perhaps help is around the corner.

[kramerica.inc]

Does Biden have the balls to do it

No. Because it would mean yanking home loans, farm insurance, farm subsidies, and on and on and on.

Those people, in my experience, don't think that that's government assistance. Dems would never win another election if you pulled these handouts.

So you agree that Biden is playing to his base and trying to strictly target Trumpsters with this vaccine mandate?
And that he's full of shiiit about really wanting to end the pandemic.

[Farfromgeneva]

Come on you don’t think that’s going to pass for solid logic or that you’ve boxed anyone into a corner?

[tech37]

You're getting way ahead of yourself here and it's a silly question at this time IMO. Not to mention an invitation to be sucked into the a fan vortex once again. No thanks.

I'm not getting ahead of myself, and I have no interest in a vortex.

I'm responding to your assertion "if we understand how this happened, right down to what occurred on a molecular level, this can be avoided in the future."

I'm simply pointing out that this statement is simply incorrect. We're dealing with China, not Germany. You're certainly welcome to ignore my point here.

Let's wait and see how things progress re the virus origin including the WHO's new investigation. I must admit, I'm cynical re the latter (not my fault).

And you just pointed out another problem. If WHO comes back and tells you that the virus couldn't have been made in a lab....are you going to believe them? No, right? So now what?

This is why I don't understand why you want an organization that you don't trust, to investigate a country you don't trust.....when if you don't like their conclusions, you're not going to believe them.

And we both know that China isn't going to do anything we say when it comes to lab work, or open air markets with all that weird uncooked food.

So you're stuck, in my opinion. No vortex required.

And that's indeed the point.
tech and others are hell-bent on only believing that it was developed in a lab in China...no other answer will satisfy them, no matter how valid.
Sounds just like your position on anything Trump or on anyone who doesn't necessarily like Trump but agrees with some of his admin's policies. Sounds familiar?

But of course you're wrong. If evidence surfaces (from any source) that proves lab-leak didn't occur and the consensus on that result includes those I do trust, certainly I'll agree.

Yup, there's the rub...none of those you 'trust' will ever 'trust' that it didn't happen in a lab.

They'll claim all sorts of reasons to not be able to 'trust' and you'll simply spew them forward.
Wrong. I'll discuss info I find plausible. I do have my own opinions based upon gut instincts as well. At this point I find it more plausible that there was a lab-leak rather than anything zoonotic re cause. If new evidence surfaces that points more toward zoonotic, I'll certainly consider it.

But hey, it'd be extraordinarily hard to produce 100% certainty of a naturally occurring source, rather than either a lab animal accident or an actual genetic effort in a lab. 100% certainty is virtually impossible. And it'll be always possible to claim that the govt of China simply isn't being honest, has hidden whatever evidence otherwise have refuted the contention it didn't happen in a lab.
"100% certainty" is not required for consensus. Presently, I would bet the majority of reasonable people (despite their political affiliations) lean toward lab-leak.

So, you're stuck with never believing otherwise. We get it.
BS

Why are you bringing up Trump?
Is this about Trump?
No, it's not about Trump and you're smarter than that. As I'm sure you realize, the Trump metaphor here describes perfectly your own inclination for entrenched thinking.

You want to agree with "some of his policies"??? Go ahead and make the case for any specific policies you like, I may well agree with you on something. I've never had a problem with that sort of discussion.

If you, in the alternative, want to tell me, say, that he's an honest guy...well, we'll definitely differ. On that, I'm not open.
You truly are obsessed. I hope and pray Trump is not the 2024 nominee so that TDS-addled citizens of this country don't lose their sh!t anymore than they already have.

[Typical Lax Dad]

having only recently received my internet medical certification, i almost hesitate to comment.

however, we've had 10s of millions of cases stateside
and 100s of millions globally. and decent numbers added each day. the lack of high powered trials... rcts may be the only ones that count... for potential therapeutics is embarassing. imo.

https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/arti ... apy-trials

Thanks for that link. Lots of interesting stuff in there. Perhaps help is around the corner.

Someone here said Ivermectin is a go to because we aren’t working on other solutions.

[MDlaxfan76]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

No, I don't. You still haven't told me who you trust that is actively investigating the virus' origin.
I trust Morning Joe and Maddow of course

US intel? They already published a one sheet saying that they know it wasn't bio warfare. Do you trust them?
I realize you're not accusing but please find any post I've made referring to what happened at Wuhan having anything to do with bio warfare. Since this began, my opinion was and remains that it was an accident, not intentional.

WHO...you already said you don't trust them, so they're out.
You have made it clear you don't care one way or the other, but objectively, do you trust them with this new investigation? Do you find it strange they would announce this new inquiry with the "last chance" qualifier to solve pandemic origin?

So who else is looking into this? Serious question.
Hopefully... independent, unbiased scientists and honest journalists continue to. "Last chance" IMO isn't acceptable and shouldn't be to anyone who cares.

But who are these?
Not knowing you personally it's dangerous to presume you couldn't possibly trust an answer that doesn't fit the lab leak narrative, but it's certainly fair to say that there's a large cohort of podcasters and political types who are making bank on fomenting this sort of narrative, and who won't stop no matter the evidence.

It's also fair to ask you exactly who would need to tell you that it wasn't from a lab for you to believe it's indeed likely true.

[runrussellrun]

What DO they study, at the Wuhan lab? goat cheeze fermentation process' ?

Or....we could just continue to ignore this.

Didn't a group of people get arrested at Logan (boston) at the beginning of the pandamic?

What every happened to that board meeting, (biogen ) where they all got "sick" ? A warning "shot " .


Are US citizens allowed into China, for work?

exactly


carry on......got some leefs to peep..........I envy TLD office chair....or perhaps he is posting from his tablet while fishing or golfing. Nice day.......stay home, stay safe.

[tech37]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

No, I don't. You still haven't told me who you trust that is actively investigating the virus' origin.
I trust Morning Joe and Maddow of course

US intel? They already published a one sheet saying that they know it wasn't bio warfare. Do you trust them?
I realize you're not accusing but please find any post I've made referring to what happened at Wuhan having anything to do with bio warfare. Since this began, my opinion was and remains that it was an accident, not intentional.

WHO...you already said you don't trust them, so they're out.
You have made it clear you don't care one way or the other, but objectively, do you trust them with this new investigation? Do you find it strange they would announce this new inquiry with the "last chance" qualifier to solve pandemic origin?

So who else is looking into this? Serious question.
Hopefully... independent, unbiased scientists and honest journalists continue to. "Last chance" IMO isn't acceptable and shouldn't be to anyone who cares.

But who are these?
Not knowing you personally it's dangerous to presume you couldn't possibly trust an answer that doesn't fit the lab leak narrative, but it's certainly fair to say that there's a large cohort of podcasters and political types who are making bank on fomenting this sort of narrative, and who won't stop no matter the evidence.

It's also fair to ask you exactly who would need to tell you that it wasn't from a lab for you to believe it's indeed likely true.

Of course it's fair to ask. That's a moving target though. There are new voices being heard and new POVs being shared constantly. But if you don't ascribe to anything but the MSM and/or corporate/institutional narrative feeds, you definitely won't "get it."

[MDlaxfan76]

You're getting way ahead of yourself here and it's a silly question at this time IMO. Not to mention an invitation to be sucked into the a fan vortex once again. No thanks.

I'm not getting ahead of myself, and I have no interest in a vortex.

I'm responding to your assertion "if we understand how this happened, right down to what occurred on a molecular level, this can be avoided in the future."

I'm simply pointing out that this statement is simply incorrect. We're dealing with China, not Germany. You're certainly welcome to ignore my point here.

Let's wait and see how things progress re the virus origin including the WHO's new investigation. I must admit, I'm cynical re the latter (not my fault).

And you just pointed out another problem. If WHO comes back and tells you that the virus couldn't have been made in a lab....are you going to believe them? No, right? So now what?

This is why I don't understand why you want an organization that you don't trust, to investigate a country you don't trust.....when if you don't like their conclusions, you're not going to believe them.

And we both know that China isn't going to do anything we say when it comes to lab work, or open air markets with all that weird uncooked food.

So you're stuck, in my opinion. No vortex required.

And that's indeed the point.
tech and others are hell-bent on only believing that it was developed in a lab in China...no other answer will satisfy them, no matter how valid.
Sounds just like your position on anything Trump or on anyone who doesn't necessarily like Trump but agrees with some of his admin's policies. Sounds familiar?

But of course you're wrong. If evidence surfaces (from any source) that proves lab-leak didn't occur and the consensus on that result includes those I do trust, certainly I'll agree.

Yup, there's the rub...none of those you 'trust' will ever 'trust' that it didn't happen in a lab.

They'll claim all sorts of reasons to not be able to 'trust' and you'll simply spew them forward.
Wrong. I'll discuss info I find plausible. I do have my own opinions based upon gut instincts as well. At this point I find it more plausible that there was a lab-leak rather than anything zoonotic re cause. If new evidence surfaces that points more toward zoonotic, I'll certainly consider it.

No, what you often do is spread misinformation, including egregious such, as if "plausible". That's been your pattern.

But hey, it'd be extraordinarily hard to produce 100% certainty of a naturally occurring source, rather than either a lab animal accident or an actual genetic effort in a lab. 100% certainty is virtually impossible. And it'll be always possible to claim that the govt of China simply isn't being honest, has hidden whatever evidence otherwise have refuted the contention it didn't happen in a lab.
"100% certainty" is not required for consensus. Presently, I would bet the majority of reasonable people (despite their political affiliations) lean toward lab-leak.

You would "bet"?? No, the present, significant consensus is that it's zoonotic, but that doesn't mean that there's not an open, and important, question about it having been from something engineered in a lab. Note, even from a lab it could have been zoonotic.

But could it have been from something engineered?

The problem is, that if it was, we'd need China to say so. We're not going to be able to prove it without their support.

So, you're stuck with never believing otherwise. We get it.
BS

Why are you bringing up Trump?
Is this about Trump?
No, it's not about Trump and you're smarter than that. As I'm sure you realize, the Trump metaphor here describes perfectly your own inclination for entrenched thinking.

Nonsense. While we all have tendencies to become "entrenched" in our thinking, my antipathy for Trump and Trumpism is very clear-eyed; subsequent 'evidence" only reinforces that my early warnings about his character were spot-on, and similarly my worst nightmares about the authoritarian strain that's possible in America has gained currency in the right wing. But, boy would I have preferred to have been wrong.

You want to agree with "some of his policies"??? Go ahead and make the case for any specific policies you like, I may well agree with you on something. I've never had a problem with that sort of discussion.

If you, in the alternative, want to tell me, say, that he's an honest guy...well, we'll definitely differ. On that, I'm not open.
You truly are obsessed. I hope and pray Trump is not the 2024 nominee so that TDS-addled citizens of this country don't lose their sh!t anymore than they already have.

Ahh, you're just worried about "TDS-addled citizens" and their "lose their sh!t"??? Not that Trump is POS in every way and Trumpism is dangerous to democracy...got it. You want the Trumpism, but without folks losing their sh!t in response?

Do I have that right?

[MDlaxfan76]

"there's the rub" and "So there it is"

You dudes have everything so figured out...

No, I don't. You still haven't told me who you trust that is actively investigating the virus' origin.
I trust Morning Joe and Maddow of course

US intel? They already published a one sheet saying that they know it wasn't bio warfare. Do you trust them?
I realize you're not accusing but please find any post I've made referring to what happened at Wuhan having anything to do with bio warfare. Since this began, my opinion was and remains that it was an accident, not intentional.

WHO...you already said you don't trust them, so they're out.
You have made it clear you don't care one way or the other, but objectively, do you trust them with this new investigation? Do you find it strange they would announce this new inquiry with the "last chance" qualifier to solve pandemic origin?

So who else is looking into this? Serious question.
Hopefully... independent, unbiased scientists and honest journalists continue to. "Last chance" IMO isn't acceptable and shouldn't be to anyone who cares.

But who are these?
Not knowing you personally it's dangerous to presume you couldn't possibly trust an answer that doesn't fit the lab leak narrative, but it's certainly fair to say that there's a large cohort of podcasters and political types who are making bank on fomenting this sort of narrative, and who won't stop no matter the evidence.

It's also fair to ask you exactly who would need to tell you that it wasn't from a lab for you to believe it's indeed likely true.

Of course it's fair to ask. That's a moving target though. There are new voices being heard and new POVs being shared constantly. But if you don't ascribe to anything but the MSM and/or corporate/institutional narrative feeds, you definitely won't "get it."

Sorry, I'm never going to buy into "alternative" non-peer reviewed pseudo-science.

I really don't care about "POV"s when it comes to science.

And we're simply back to asking the same question, who would you need to hear say, yup, most likely zoonotic to actually believe it?

You refuse to tell us.