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HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:54 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:04 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:56 pm Interesting take from Christian Swezey on the goalies...

Goalie situation at @jhumenslacrosse. I like what Milliman is doing. Looks like Danowski playbook: Let the older guys play themselves in or out of lineup. Milliman warms up the goalies, he knows what he has. I think he's aiming to be best in May, not (checks notes) February.

https://twitter.com/SwezeyLacrosse/stat ... 6319612930

I get what he's saying but, there probably won't be a May for this team if goalie play continues at 40% for much longer. Duke had the luxury of figuring things out against a total cakewalk of a non-con February schedule. That's not going to fly against Georgetown, UNC, UVA, etc.

Disagree. If you want to make Final Fours, forget about your goalie if your offense can't can their shots.

At one point, Maryland had 16 goals on 30 shots.

I have no idea why D1 defenses have completely fallen apart in the shot clock era....but here we are. The number of hands free , feet set in concrete shots from 10 yards out I've seen in just a handful of games baffles me. I don't understand what coaches are doing. Put another way, it's over my head what they are doing.

But this is D1 lacrosse now. So if Hopkins keeps shooting at 24%? Forget Final four weekend. With the kids they have on O? I can't see why they can't hit 35-40%. They do that, all the goalie needs is one or two saves they shouldn't get, and you can win.

If I'm a D1 coach? I'm on every kid to take 100 shots a day in season, and 200 a day in the summer and fall. That's what the game is now. And the top 5 shooting teams are all north of 40% right now.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men ... t/team/563

You disagree with what, exactly? That you don't need decent goalie play to make a run in May? When's the last time a team made a Final Four with 40% goalie play?

Anyway this is a non sequitur that doesn't even make sense on its own terms because Hopkins finished 12th in the country in shooting % last year, ahead of three quarterfinal teams. That was one of the team's strengths — honestly, it might have been its only strength.

Agree with Hopfan16. Especially with the faster pace, you're going to see more shots. I think the shooting percentages will level out over time. Let's see a bigger sample size first. But you need your goalie to commit a couple of robberies every game to give you the best chance of winning. As I see it, the rap sheet is empty so far. Hope that changes today.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:54 am When's the last time a team made a Final Four with 40% goalie play?

So over a season - Duke's Turri and Aaron were just at 50 and 47 but in the 2014 NCAA tournament their stats were not good - 4 Saves against Hopkins - 7 saves against Denver - that team won the title because of 60% face-offs and a video game offense. BTW - they scored 297 goals on 35% shooting - when you get to take 900 shots - that helps

Also BTW - I am not trying to argue Hopkins should plan on reservations to Connecticut with the current goalie play and people can talk about the defense and all that but the eye test simply doesn't pass. They haven't stolen one goal to date and I need to see more of Versfeld but they don't look like they move well to the ball.

IMHO the biggest reason for the improved shooting has to do with the shooters - there are more of them - they are bigger-- faster - stronger and they tend to specialize in lacrosse. Players of our era were off playing football/basketball etc. not driving 300 miles to play fall/summer tournaments with 4 games in a day or going to week long camps.

51percentcorn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:19 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:54 am When's the last time a team made a Final Four with 40% goalie play?

So over a season - Duke's Turri and Aaron were just at 50 and 47

So you've got to go back 8 years, and even then that Duke team's save % as a whole was still 50. As we know all too well, there's a huge difference between 40% and 50% over the course of a season.

I recall Yale made two FFs in 18-19 with like 47/48% goalie play, but when you have TD Ierlan winning 80% of draws you can get away with a whole lot. Give us a kid who wins that many possessions and I won't complain about below average goalie play.

Again, though, there's a material difference between high 40s/50 and low 40s. We're at 43% so far through two games this season. We were 42% last year. The difference between that and 48-50 isn't nothing. You're just not even going to make it to May to give yourself a chance with numbers like that. That's' not just below average but quite literally among the worst in the country. Still almost miraculously pulled it off last season, but guess what one big difference in that B1G title game was...

Agree with you otherwise on eye test and shooting — I am not a goalie expert by any means but I don't think you need to be Tillman Johnson to see that our guy is not reacting well to shots

Re: shooting I do think Milliman's system has at least something to do with it. They shot well at Cornell, he said immediately upon taking this job that he wanted to emphasize high-percentage shots (perhaps implying the team hadn't been doing that) and while there's a long way to go, the early returns are pretty good. Shot % went from 25% in 2020 to 31.5% in 2021 with similar personnel

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:54 am You disagree with what, exactly? That you don't need decent goalie play to make a run in May? When's the last time a team made a Final Four with 40% goalie play?

Anyway this is a non sequitur that doesn't even make sense on its own terms because Hopkins finished 12th in the country in shooting % last year, ahead of three quarterfinal teams. That was one of the team's strengths — honestly, it might have been its only strength.

12th isn't good enough. And imho, you have six kids who can shoot out there.

I'm trying to say that your season isn't over if your goalie's aren't all that great. You have players on O that can overcome that if they hit the cage efficiently. That's it.

get it to x wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:04 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:54 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:04 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:56 pm Interesting take from Christian Swezey on the goalies...

Goalie situation at @jhumenslacrosse. I like what Milliman is doing. Looks like Danowski playbook: Let the older guys play themselves in or out of lineup. Milliman warms up the goalies, he knows what he has. I think he's aiming to be best in May, not (checks notes) February.

https://twitter.com/SwezeyLacrosse/stat ... 6319612930

I get what he's saying but, there probably won't be a May for this team if goalie play continues at 40% for much longer. Duke had the luxury of figuring things out against a total cakewalk of a non-con February schedule. That's not going to fly against Georgetown, UNC, UVA, etc.

Disagree. If you want to make Final Fours, forget about your goalie if your offense can't can their shots.

At one point, Maryland had 16 goals on 30 shots.

I have no idea why D1 defenses have completely fallen apart in the shot clock era....but here we are. The number of hands free , feet set in concrete shots from 10 yards out I've seen in just a handful of games baffles me. I don't understand what coaches are doing. Put another way, it's over my head what they are doing.

But this is D1 lacrosse now. So if Hopkins keeps shooting at 24%? Forget Final four weekend. With the kids they have on O? I can't see why they can't hit 35-40%. They do that, all the goalie needs is one or two saves they shouldn't get, and you can win.

If I'm a D1 coach? I'm on every kid to take 100 shots a day in season, and 200 a day in the summer and fall. That's what the game is now. And the top 5 shooting teams are all north of 40% right now.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/lacrosse-men ... t/team/563

You disagree with what, exactly? That you don't need decent goalie play to make a run in May? When's the last time a team made a Final Four with 40% goalie play?

Anyway this is a non sequitur that doesn't even make sense on its own terms because Hopkins finished 12th in the country in shooting % last year, ahead of three quarterfinal teams. That was one of the team's strengths — honestly, it might have been its only strength.

Agree with Hopfan16. Especially with the faster pace, you're going to see more shots. I think the shooting percentages will level out over time. Let's see a bigger sample size first. But you need your goalie to commit a couple of robberies every game to give you the best chance of winning. As I see it, the rap sheet is empty so far. Hope that changes today.

Agree we need a bigger sample size. I"m simply reporting what I'm seeing.....kids are REALLY wide open on both sides of the ball, routinely shooting from 10 yards with their feet set, hands free. I'm sure many of you saw the same thing in the tournament last year.

The reason I bring it up as remarkable, is that this is the opposite of what I expected with a shot clock. That teams wouldn't always have the time to find a wide open shooter, since offenses obviously had trouble doing that without a shot clock. It's just odd to me.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:06 pm 12th isn't good enough.

Isn't good enough for what? My original post was talking about just making it to May aka the NCAA tournament. 12th was better than the majority of NCAA tourney teams last year and better than almost half the quarterfinal field. It was better than Notre Dame, Georgetown, Syracuse, Lehigh, and Loyola.

Meanwhile team save % was pretty much dead last among qualifying D1 teams. One seems to be a larger impediment to success than the other.

I am re-posting here because FloSports can easily scam you into a $150 yearly subscription that you cannot get a refund from:

The “service” that Georgetown uses defaults you to a yearly $150 plan. They basically trick you into that if you are not careful. Cancelling the plan does NOT get you your money back. They simply won’t renew your $150 plan.

I have been on the phone with my bank for nearly an hour to stop the transaction.

Happened to rolldodge as well.

Georgetown should be f*cking embarrassed to be associated with FloSports.

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:15 pm I am re-posting here because FloSports can easily scam you into a $150 yearly subscription that you cannot get a refund from:

The “service” that Georgetown uses defaults you to a yearly $150 plan. They basically trick you into that if you are not careful. Cancelling the plan does NOT get you your money back. They simply won’t renew your $150 plan.

I have been on the phone with my bank for nearly an hour to stop the transaction.

Happened to rolldodge as well.

Georgetown should be f*cking embarrassed to be associated with FloSports.

DocBarrister

An important update:

FloSports wrote back to me and now claims that the $12.50 monthly option was never available. If you notice, that option is in a lighter shade. The yearly plan is the ONLY option you have.

FloSports is now offering a $29.99 one month “discontinued” subscription in its place, which is still more than the completely non-existent $12.50 monthly option.

Here is the email from their customer service bot. Seems like they anticipated angry responses from cheated customers:

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We should all complain to the Georgetown athletic department and the GT lacrosse office about this scam.

DocBarrister

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:13 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:06 pm 12th isn't good enough.

Isn't good enough for what? My original post was talking about just making it to May aka the NCAA tournament. 12th was better than the majority of NCAA tourney teams last year and better than almost half the quarterfinal field. It was better than Notre Dame, Georgetown, Syracuse, Lehigh, and Loyola.

Meanwhile team save % was pretty much dead last among qualifying D1 teams. One seems to be a larger impediment to success than the other.

Not good enough for Final Fours, which I though was your goal. If that's not your goal, I agree on the importance of goaltending.

But if your goal is Final Fours, your going to run into powerful offensive teams on the way, where your goalie can't win you games because the other team is gonna drop 14+ no matter what you do...and you need your O to match the shooting of the other team.

That's all i was saying. Trying to shed a little optimism for fans who are unhappy with goaltending.

Sucks, Doc!!! Got confidence in you though, DocB'll get it done.
Let us know how it ends.

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:38 pm Sucks, Doc!!! Got confidence in you though, DocB'll get it done.
Let us know how it ends.

Thanks, DMac.

I’m actually considering whether this is worth a lawsuit. They have “$12.50/mo” in large dark text over “150.00 paid yearly” in much smaller, lighter font. I know of very few people who are willing to purchase a second-tier sports streaming service for $150 with virtually no opt out. If you complain, they still offer only an option that is twice as much. Fact discovery in this case would be rather interesting, including whether schools like Georgetown knew of this practice.

Wouldn’t be the first time I punished a company. Recently settled a case where a company spent over half a million dollars defending a case filed by my client that could have been settled early for about a tenth of that.

Maybe FloSports needs the same lesson.

DocBarrister

I was kind of figuring that's how it would go right off the bat.
Yes, they need a spanking and I think you're the man for the
job. Go get 'em, tiger!!!

9 min left in the Third.
Score is 10-5 Gtown.
Dunn is winning faceoffs but Kirson's save percentage is 41%.

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:13 pm 9 min left in the Third.
Score is 10-5 Gtown.
Dunn is winning faceoffs but Kirson's save percentage is 41%.

And dropping fast.

Big Dog wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:18 pm

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:13 pm 9 min left in the Third.
Score is 10-5 Gtown.
Dunn is winning faceoffs but Kirson's save percentage is 41%.

And dropping fast.

Yep, now it's .368 with 13 min left in the 4th.

Everything is fine. Everything is fine

We want More of this!!!!

This is fine. This is fine.

jacksonville taking it to duke. Their coach said he'd been trying to get a maryland area game for a couple of years to give their kids from the region a chance to play in front of their communities and it looks like it may net us a top 20 win if they continue to play like this throughout the spring. It was in the 70s/80s the week before they came up to homewood and I hope next year the program and parents get to go down and play there.

I think the towson/georgetown stuff in 3 days was a great decision and we're learning a lot early about our guys and they're getting a lot of great film and experience. The media has questioned this decision but I think it was smart especially with all the other big ooc games coming up.

So, I'm not watching the game, but per the IL box, we have 27 shots on the cage and G'Town has 25. And we're down by 8. I get the McIlroy is really good, I do, but c'mon now.