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Sorry can you clarify what you mean by this sentence....."We now to them for D3 though so they can mess with us. "

brodad wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:47 am Sorry can you clarify what you mean by this sentence....."We now to them for D3 though so they can mess with us. "

Phone fat thumb meant to be "bow" to them. Split division gives them more power over us than other purely D1 schools still. Otherwise we'd be free to rename the team the Hobart College Fidelity's and have Abby Johnson fund 50 deep of studs. (except she only finally gave anything noteworthy for first time last year)

So if a kid is paid to pay lax he can't play football. No more Tim Booths, Sean Cunninghams etc.

Gotcha, thanks.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:13 am

coda wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:17 pm

Young Warrior wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:45 pm They don’t have to lower admissions standards.
Take someone like Michigan.
Great school, but lots of east coast kids might not chose it (assume they could get in so this is like for like)
All of the sudden the Joe Tsai of Michigan gets involved and now everyone has almost full rides.
Much tougher decision and you are effectively compensating for weather, location etc.

I’m not saying this is likely, but it is also not unrealistic.
Just takes one rich alum.
See what Pegula did for PSU hockey

If Stephen Ross decided lacrosse mattered. Michigan would be a lacrosse power. Not many schools that can offer that level education in a big university with big time sports in a legit college town. Not going to happen. Biggest reason being their revenue sports are legit and are going to pull the majority of NIL funds. Not to mention they don’t have much influence with admissions for the same reason. Much more likely at Hopkins, where there is no competition for NIL dollars. Cuse would be on the list. Those 2 have also been rumored to be the most aggressive in NIL in lacrosse

Having worked with vornados highest levels incl Ross in the past I think you want to pick another rich alum example. He’s not funding lacrosse

Just the most famous, but like I said lacrosse isnt likely to be on the radar. No tradition of lacrosse there, so unlikely a billionaire decides to throw cash at it. You can basically cross off Ross, Zell, and Munger

coda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:17 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:13 am

coda wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:17 pm

Young Warrior wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:45 pm They don’t have to lower admissions standards.
Take someone like Michigan.
Great school, but lots of east coast kids might not chose it (assume they could get in so this is like for like)
All of the sudden the Joe Tsai of Michigan gets involved and now everyone has almost full rides.
Much tougher decision and you are effectively compensating for weather, location etc.

I’m not saying this is likely, but it is also not unrealistic.
Just takes one rich alum.
See what Pegula did for PSU hockey

If Stephen Ross decided lacrosse mattered. Michigan would be a lacrosse power. Not many schools that can offer that level education in a big university with big time sports in a legit college town. Not going to happen. Biggest reason being their revenue sports are legit and are going to pull the majority of NIL funds. Not to mention they don’t have much influence with admissions for the same reason. Much more likely at Hopkins, where there is no competition for NIL dollars. Cuse would be on the list. Those 2 have also been rumored to be the most aggressive in NIL in lacrosse

Having worked with vornados highest levels incl Ross in the past I think you want to pick another rich alum example. He’s not funding lacrosse

Just the most famous, but like I said lacrosse isnt likely to be on the radar. No tradition of lacrosse there, so unlikely a billionaire decides to throw cash at it. You can basically cross off Ross, Zell, and Munger

Yeah it’s hop and Cuse who’ll be first to get that.

I mean if eh wanted to Brett Jefferson who owned and ran a shop called Hildene and was on the 1990 team as a backup
Goalie could fund Cuse Tomorrow by himself if he choose to and he’s one of a number there.

Question for those versed in tax law.
With no limit on scholarships could this scenario happen.

Quasi Varsity Blues:
My kid wants to attend a top program, possesses a skill set is strong enough to make the team but not the travel squad and his scores while excellent an athletic boost for admissions wouldn’t hurt.
I am fortunate enough to have discretionary income to donate 150K a year for four years to the lacrosse program. In return a full scholarship and a roster spot for my son for four years would be “really nice” …but there is no quid pro quo. I’m figuring at my tax bracket I would need roughly 150,000 pre tax income to cover cost of attendance.

Can my donation be tax deductible?

This is hypothetical question. If the laxpert had discretionary income he wouldn't have a balance on his VISA card and the only "Club" I belong to is COSTCO.

laxpert wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:27 pm Question for those versed in tax law.
Quasi Varsity Blues:
My kid wants to attend a top program, possesses a skill set is strong enough to make the team but not the travel squad and his scores while excellent an athletic boost for admissions wouldn’t hurt.
I am fortunate enough to have discretionary income to donate 150K a year for four years to the lacrosse program. In return a full scholarship and a roster spot for my son for four years would be “really nice” …but there is no quid pro quo. I’m figuring at my tax bracket I would need roughly 150,000 pre tax income to cover cost of attendance.

Can my donation be tax deductible?

Most of NIL programs are tax-exempt, but you should check directly with them or your accountant.

I know scholarship limits have changed, but how fast that rolls out is anyone’s guess. I have always told kids that lacrosse is about education, not occupation. Getting money is great, but being able to walk on to a college you would not get into based on your academic record should be considered a win.

Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players. Second no one knows how this will end up as most schools will not increase the amount of scholarships they currently have. Now some big schools might, but title 9 implications are real. Crazy time in College Athletic and not in a good way.

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:19 am

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:36 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:15 pm Any of the, admittedly few, players who have been on full scholarship have been making more than many/most professionals for many years. And agree that it’s not actually crazy. Salaries in sports track with fan interest, this is why NBA players, who league brings in ~50x the revenue of the WNBA ($10 billion vs $200 million) rightly make vastly more than WNBA players. College lax is and has always been much mor popular than pro. That doesn’t mean it has always been well monetized but it makes much more economic and common sense for a college lax player to earn comparable or more money than, say a college star at UConn vs the NBA.

Not so sure College is more popular at this point most team’s average less than 1,000 fans per game with the top barely averaging 4,000. There are really bad basketball teams that triple that. In the NCAA’s eyes lacrosse is basically irrelevant they don’t care about it.

? I wasn’t comparing lacrosse to basketball but college lacrosse vs pro lacrosse as opposed to college basketball va pro basketball. In the small world of lacrosse fans, college is vastly more popular (and important as to who you are most excited to see win). Which is why even a full scholarship, forget NIL, is more money than most pro players have made.

I'm not comparing College lacrosse to basketball either, just saying that no one goes to the college lacrosse games relatively speaking. I would bet the PLL average attendance is much higher than college lacrosse. Most college teams get less than 1,000 per game. Now the NCAA Final four might come close in attendance to the PLL Championship but week in week out PLL has way more fans per game. Bottom line is it is still a niche sport that very few of the masses care about.

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:19 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:19 am

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:36 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:15 pm Any of the, admittedly few, players who have been on full scholarship have been making more than many/most professionals for many years. And agree that it’s not actually crazy. Salaries in sports track with fan interest, this is why NBA players, who league brings in ~50x the revenue of the WNBA ($10 billion vs $200 million) rightly make vastly more than WNBA players. College lax is and has always been much mor popular than pro. That doesn’t mean it has always been well monetized but it makes much more economic and common sense for a college lax player to earn comparable or more money than, say a college star at UConn vs the NBA.

Not so sure College is more popular at this point most team’s average less than 1,000 fans per game with the top barely averaging 4,000. There are really bad basketball teams that triple that. In the NCAA’s eyes lacrosse is basically irrelevant they don’t care about it.

? I wasn’t comparing lacrosse to basketball but college lacrosse vs pro lacrosse as opposed to college basketball va pro basketball. In the small world of lacrosse fans, college is vastly more popular (and important as to who you are most excited to see win). Which is why even a full scholarship, forget NIL, is more money than most pro players have made.

I'm not comparing College lacrosse to basketball either, just saying that no one goes to the college lacrosse games relatively speaking. I would bet the PLL average attendance is much higher than college lacrosse. Most college teams get less than 1,000 per game. Now the NCAA Final four might come close in attendance to the PLL Championship but week in week out PLL has way more fans per game. Bottom line is it is still a niche sport that very few of the masses care about.

Supply demand there’s very few
PLL games compared with college games to attend

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:36 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:19 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:19 am

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:36 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:15 pm Any of the, admittedly few, players who have been on full scholarship have been making more than many/most professionals for many years. And agree that it’s not actually crazy. Salaries in sports track with fan interest, this is why NBA players, who league brings in ~50x the revenue of the WNBA ($10 billion vs $200 million) rightly make vastly more than WNBA players. College lax is and has always been much mor popular than pro. That doesn’t mean it has always been well monetized but it makes much more economic and common sense for a college lax player to earn comparable or more money than, say a college star at UConn vs the NBA.

Not so sure College is more popular at this point most team’s average less than 1,000 fans per game with the top barely averaging 4,000. There are really bad basketball teams that triple that. In the NCAA’s eyes lacrosse is basically irrelevant they don’t care about it.

? I wasn’t comparing lacrosse to basketball but college lacrosse vs pro lacrosse as opposed to college basketball va pro basketball. In the small world of lacrosse fans, college is vastly more popular (and important as to who you are most excited to see win). Which is why even a full scholarship, forget NIL, is more money than most pro players have made.

I'm not comparing College lacrosse to basketball either, just saying that no one goes to the college lacrosse games relatively speaking. I would bet the PLL average attendance is much higher than college lacrosse. Most college teams get less than 1,000 per game. Now the NCAA Final four might come close in attendance to the PLL Championship but week in week out PLL has way more fans per game. Bottom line is it is still a niche sport that very few of the masses care about.

Supply demand there’s very few
PLL games compared with college games to attend

Last I knew PLL didn’t release the attendance because it’s poor

AreaLax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:36 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:19 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:19 am

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:36 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:15 pm Any of the, admittedly few, players who have been on full scholarship have been making more than many/most professionals for many years. And agree that it’s not actually crazy. Salaries in sports track with fan interest, this is why NBA players, who league brings in ~50x the revenue of the WNBA ($10 billion vs $200 million) rightly make vastly more than WNBA players. College lax is and has always been much mor popular than pro. That doesn’t mean it has always been well monetized but it makes much more economic and common sense for a college lax player to earn comparable or more money than, say a college star at UConn vs the NBA.

Not so sure College is more popular at this point most team’s average less than 1,000 fans per game with the top barely averaging 4,000. There are really bad basketball teams that triple that. In the NCAA’s eyes lacrosse is basically irrelevant they don’t care about it.

? I wasn’t comparing lacrosse to basketball but college lacrosse vs pro lacrosse as opposed to college basketball va pro basketball. In the small world of lacrosse fans, college is vastly more popular (and important as to who you are most excited to see win). Which is why even a full scholarship, forget NIL, is more money than most pro players have made.

I'm not comparing College lacrosse to basketball either, just saying that no one goes to the college lacrosse games relatively speaking. I would bet the PLL average attendance is much higher than college lacrosse. Most college teams get less than 1,000 per game. Now the NCAA Final four might come close in attendance to the PLL Championship but week in week out PLL has way more fans per game. Bottom line is it is still a niche sport that very few of the masses care about.

Supply demand there’s very few
PLL games compared with college games to attend

Last I knew PLL didn’t release the attendance because it’s poor

that's not true, it's up 12%.
and impressions are at a gazillion.

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:13 pm Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players. Second no one knows how this will end up as most schools will not increase the amount of scholarships they currently have. Now some big schools might, but title 9 implications are real. Crazy time in College Athletic and not in a good way.

I think men’s non-revenue sports are in trouble. I do think girls lax will continue to grow and likely get a nice boost from this. School’s will be scrambling to get title 9 compliant. I could see girls lacrosse throughout the Big 10 and SEC

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:30 pm

AreaLax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:36 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:19 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:19 am

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:36 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:15 pm Any of the, admittedly few, players who have been on full scholarship have been making more than many/most professionals for many years. And agree that it’s not actually crazy. Salaries in sports track with fan interest, this is why NBA players, who league brings in ~50x the revenue of the WNBA ($10 billion vs $200 million) rightly make vastly more than WNBA players. College lax is and has always been much mor popular than pro. That doesn’t mean it has always been well monetized but it makes much more economic and common sense for a college lax player to earn comparable or more money than, say a college star at UConn vs the NBA.

Not so sure College is more popular at this point most team’s average less than 1,000 fans per game with the top barely averaging 4,000. There are really bad basketball teams that triple that. In the NCAA’s eyes lacrosse is basically irrelevant they don’t care about it.

? I wasn’t comparing lacrosse to basketball but college lacrosse vs pro lacrosse as opposed to college basketball va pro basketball. In the small world of lacrosse fans, college is vastly more popular (and important as to who you are most excited to see win). Which is why even a full scholarship, forget NIL, is more money than most pro players have made.

I'm not comparing College lacrosse to basketball either, just saying that no one goes to the college lacrosse games relatively speaking. I would bet the PLL average attendance is much higher than college lacrosse. Most college teams get less than 1,000 per game. Now the NCAA Final four might come close in attendance to the PLL Championship but week in week out PLL has way more fans per game. Bottom line is it is still a niche sport that very few of the masses care about.

Supply demand there’s very few
PLL games compared with college games to attend

Last I knew PLL didn’t release the attendance because it’s poor

that's not true, it's up 12%.
and impressions are at a gazillion.

Did they provide numbers or just said it’s up 12%? Just wondering

AreaLax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:04 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:30 pm

AreaLax wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:25 pm
Last I knew PLL didn’t release the attendance because it’s poor

that's not true, it's up 12%.
and impressions are at a gazillion.

Did they provide numbers or just said it’s up 12%? Just wondering

it was a joke. they never do.

coda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:39 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:13 pm Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players. Second no one knows how this will end up as most schools will not increase the amount of scholarships they currently have. Now some big schools might, but title 9 implications are real. Crazy time in College Athletic and not in a good way.

I think men’s non-revenue sports are in trouble. I do think girls lax will continue to grow and likely get a nice boost from this. School’s will be scrambling to get title 9 compliant. I could see girls lacrosse throughout the Big 10 and SEC

i dunno. things seem fine for now. there will probably be a little sanity going forward in how athletic departments spend their money on facilities, staff, coaches contracts. note i said a little, there will of course be some insanity. but athletic departments have been put on notice it's not a free-for-all anymore.

if and when a school gets twisted into a tight spot, admins will find sacrificial lambs besides themselves, but who knows how far down the line that may be. if at all. schools are compliant to title ix or we'd know about it. next up is (more) money raising. on top of your nil contribution, of course.
.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:23 pm

coda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:39 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:13 pm Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players. Second no one knows how this will end up as most schools will not increase the amount of scholarships they currently have. Now some big schools might, but title 9 implications are real. Crazy time in College Athletic and not in a good way.

I think men’s non-revenue sports are in trouble. I do think girls lax will continue to grow and likely get a nice boost from this. School’s will be scrambling to get title 9 compliant. I could see girls lacrosse throughout the Big 10 and SEC

i dunno. things seem fine for now. there will probably be a little sanity going forward in how athletic departments spend their money on facilities, staff, coaches contracts. note i said a little, there will of course be some insanity. but athletic departments have been put on notice it's not a free-for-all anymore.

if and when a school gets twisted into a tight spot, admins will find sacrificial lambs besides themselves, but who knows how far down the line that may be. if at all. schools are compliant to title ix or we'd know about it. next up is (more) money raising. on top of your nil contribution, of course.
.

I think football will likely get scholarship boosts. That is where I think girls lacrosse comes in.

I have heard money raising for facilities has gotten tougher. It’s harder to convince a booster to give money to facilities, when they feel they can get a direct benefit through NIL with recruit/players. Lots of unintended consequences that need to be worked out

coda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:06 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:23 pm

coda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:39 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:13 pm Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players. Second no one knows how this will end up as most schools will not increase the amount of scholarships they currently have. Now some big schools might, but title 9 implications are real. Crazy time in College Athletic and not in a good way.

I think men’s non-revenue sports are in trouble. I do think girls lax will continue to grow and likely get a nice boost from this. School’s will be scrambling to get title 9 compliant. I could see girls lacrosse throughout the Big 10 and SEC

i dunno. things seem fine for now. there will probably be a little sanity going forward in how athletic departments spend their money on facilities, staff, coaches contracts. note i said a little, there will of course be some insanity. but athletic departments have been put on notice it's not a free-for-all anymore.

if and when a school gets twisted into a tight spot, admins will find sacrificial lambs besides themselves, but who knows how far down the line that may be. if at all. schools are compliant to title ix or we'd know about it. next up is (more) money raising. on top of your nil contribution, of course.
.

I think football will likely get scholarship boosts. That is where I think girls lacrosse comes in.

I have heard money raising for facilities has gotten tougher. It’s harder to convince a booster to give money to facilities, when they feel they can get a direct benefit through NIL with recruit/players. Lots of unintended consequences that need to be worked out

any even semi-serious football school is of course gonna take the nc$$ up on their extra 20 offer, and 2 for men's hoops. after that, hoo knows? if they have an oilman whose kid plays baseball, or whatever else fits their fancy. think they'll need to sprinkle in some women's, maybe a couple for softball, or soccer, track or lax. any schollies they give will deduct from what they can pay out of their $21.5m up to $2.5 million. for a cheaper school, that'll mean anything above those football/hoops schollies will cost them payroll for the first ~$1.5 m. not sure schools wiill be dying to give away scholarships, but we'll see.

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:13 pm Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players.......

I cannot imagine that after tens of thousands of kids lose scholarships or the ability to play over a player cap.....not one of them will sue.

Read what Kavanaugh had to say about the NCAA cartel.


Has anyone here ever called a place you work at and told your CEO "hey, you have too many employees...you have to fire ten of them"?

No, right? Well, that's what the NCAA is trying to do here. I'm going to be REALLY disappointed in the judge if they let these caps stay in place.

We'll find out soon enough...

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:04 pm

xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:13 pm Spoke to a D1 Coach today, this is going to be a mess. First the hard cap 48 man roster means team will be cutting active players.......

I cannot imagine that after tens of thousands of kids lose scholarships or the ability to play over a player cap.....not one of them will sue.

Read what Kavanaugh had to say about the NCAA cartel.

Has anyone here ever called a place you work at and told your CEO "hey, you have too many employees...you have to fire ten of them"?

No, right? Well, that's what the NCAA is trying to do here. I'm going to be REALLY disappointed in the judge if they let these caps stay in place.

We'll find out soon enough...

a fan, we are not talking about 10s of thousands of kids losing their scholarships. this is ~65 schools + the big east + g5s that think they have a legit football team. most of the caps that have been set here fall in line with rosters today. now, do i agree with it or even know why they're doing it? no.

this judge isn't stopping anything. read up on houston christian, the only non-p5 that's suing. the nc$$ and the p5s (the parties named) want the non-p5s to pay a billion $ (the majority) of back nil to THEIR old football and basketball players to settle this.

the judge? she said it's your choice to be in division 1, see ya later.