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dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:44 am Right, ignorant nincompoops they can manipulate...

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frmanfan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:21 pm The Russian stuff is real. It is so dangerous that our intel agencies (who are always right) left the puppet in place for two years now.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:07 pmDin-ding-ding, Exactly! like damn near the entire left wing party, for believing the Russian Trump Election hoax.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:24 pm NATO is a military alliance, not a trade & customs union. The US & Canada were never EU members. We receive no special consideration from the EUroburghers for the security were provide for their access to global markets.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:24 pm You keep telling us how the sanctions keep Russia from being a threat.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:24 pm Putin, & his power structure, are the remnants of the Soviet system & the Cold War. They will eventually pass from the scene. Do we really want to institutionalize a Cold War, with increasingly capable nuclear weapons + Russian paranoia & grievance, as the permanent state of our future relations with the Russian people.

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:56 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:07 pmDin-ding-ding, Exactly! like damn near the entire left wing party, for believing the Russian Trump Election hoax.

Those Rooskies were so afraid of a certain left wing candidate that they helped give us the incumbent ignorant nincompoop...which in Russian is evidently called a "Very Serious Genius"

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a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:13 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:24 pm NATO is a military alliance, not a trade & customs union. The US & Canada were never EU members. We receive no special consideration from the EUroburghers for the security were provide for their access to global markets.

That's the most naive thing you've ever posted. Finance and military security are interlinked. Always have been.
You omitted the important point -- NATO was at it's zenith before there was an EU, when there was just a W Euro Common Market & our NATO allies were not compromised by trade & investment interests with the USSR.
Why do you think we never had a Cold War with China? Yep. Trade. Finance. Interlinked. The fact that you aren't losing your bananas over Trump's little game of a fake Trade War with China tells me that. You're worried about a Cold War with piddly little Putin? I'm 100 times more worried about pushing China too far, and getting one with them.
So you think, absent NATO force presence, that Putin would not grab a land corridor to Kaliningrad through the Baltic states ? Or maybe occupy them in total, as he has in Crimea & the Donbass, after his little green men infiltrated & fomented revolution.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:24 pm You keep telling us how the sanctions keep Russia from being a threat.

No. I have never said that. What I have said--repeatedly---is that money matters. You're acting like it doesn't, and that's absurd. Taking money from the Russians limits their plays, and makes them think twice about what they do.
It hasn't slowed down Putin yet.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:24 pm Putin, & his power structure, are the remnants of the Soviet system & the Cold War. They will eventually pass from the scene. Do we really want to institutionalize a Cold War, with increasingly capable nuclear weapons + Russian paranoia & grievance, as the permanent state of our future relations with the Russian people.

So let's say we did what you are advocating.

1. Do nothing after Crimea and Ukraine
We're already doing more that the rest of NATO in terms of sanctions, trainers & weapons to Ukraine.
2. Dont' even mention it in public, because that would be "lecturing" Putin. And if there's one thing I've learned about you, Obama's worst sin, other than leading from behind, was lecturing Putin. So we can't even say that invading Ukraine was bad.
We said it. Now let the EUros do the kvetching, it's their backyard.

So Putin has done these things, and we've not only not done anything about it---we haven't even condemned the move.
What ??? see above ^. Plus, we're pouring billion$ back into NATO, rehabbing & occupying bases we closed after the Cold War & further stressing the force by sending them back on lengthy rotational deployments, rather that basing them there for full & multiple tours with their family.

You're Putin: what message did you get from the US? They're back in Europe (with newer, better stuff & combat hardened units).

If it's me, and I'm Putin? The message is: all non-NATO nations that lived in the shadow of the Soviet empire are fair game for annexation. The US and NATO don't care. They why are they bringing back all their military forces & exercising them on my doorstep.

We need to get back to 2006 force levels, on both sides of NATO's E border.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:25 pm I did a poor job of stating my question. Allow me to try again, old salt.

It's 2000, and Putin takes office. So let's say we did what you are advocating...do everything to avoid a Cold War. I have numbered what it is you think we should have done about Putin's various shenanigans, and have stated so on several occasions:

1. Do nothing after Crimea and Ukraine
2. Do nothing after US Intel tells us about US election nonsense
3. Do nothing after the spy is killed UK
4. Don't even mention either #1 or #2 or #3 in public or in private, because that would be "lecturing" Putin. And if there's one thing I've learned about you, Obama's worst sin, other than leading from behind, was lecturing Putin. So we can't even say that invading Ukraine was bad.

So Putin has done these things, and we've not only not done anything about it---we haven't even condemned the move in any way, shape or form. No sanctions, no lecturing, no nothing.

You're V. Putin: what message did you get from the United States?

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:25 pm I did a poor job of stating my question. Allow me to try again, old salt.

It's 2000, and Putin takes office. So let's say we did what you are advocating...do everything to avoid a Cold War. I have numbered what it is you think we should have done about Putin's various shenanigans, and have stated so on several occasions:

1. Do nothing after Crimea and Ukraine
2. Do nothing after US Intel tells us about US election nonsense
3. Do nothing after the spy is killed UK
4. Don't even mention either #1 or #2 or #3 in public or in private, because that would be "lecturing" Putin. And if there's one thing I've learned about you, Obama's worst sin, other than leading from behind, was lecturing Putin. So we can't even say that invading Ukraine was bad.

So Putin has done these things, and we've not only not done anything about it---we haven't even condemned the move in any way, shape or form. No sanctions, no lecturing, no nothing.

You're V. Putin: what message did you get from the United States?

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:56 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:07 pmDin-ding-ding, Exactly! like damn near the entire left wing party, for believing the Russian Trump Election hoax.

Those Rooskies were so afraid of a certain left wing candidate that they helped give us the incumbent ignorant nincompoop...which in Russian is evidently called a "Very Serious Genius"

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6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:40 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:56 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:07 pmDin-ding-ding, Exactly! like damn near the entire left wing party, for believing the Russian Trump Election hoax.

Those Rooskies were so afraid of a certain left wing candidate that they helped give us the incumbent ignorant nincompoop...which in Russian is evidently called a "Very Serious Genius"

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Got any proof?

Mueller and his 20 million dollar budget AND dozens of LIBERAL prosecutors doesn't.

The MSM that HATES Trump doesn't have any either.

Maybe you should share your proof with them

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:15 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:40 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:56 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:07 pmDin-ding-ding, Exactly! like damn near the entire left wing party, for believing the Russian Trump Election hoax.

Those Rooskies were so afraid of a certain left wing candidate that they helped give us the incumbent ignorant nincompoop...which in Russian is evidently called a "Very Serious Genius"

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Got any proof?

Mueller and his 20 million dollar budget AND dozens of LIBERAL prosecutors doesn't.

The MSM that HATES Trump doesn't have any either.

Maybe you should share your proof with them

Mueller is republican