But, heck, I'll say 2% if it makes you happy...but how do they stay on the force and commit abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse......
Whole bunch of others, (by definition not 'bad apples') who turn a blind eye or otherwise protect them from scrutiny.
Again, my limited experience, a white guy who presumably doesn't look like he poses a particular threat to anyone nor acts like he would, is that in 25+% of my interactions I found myself feeling quite disrespected as a common citizen. I didn't expect any special treatment, but the disrespect, the bossy, puffed up militaristic attitude of the policeman (haven't had it happen with a police woman as yet) was enough to make me really not ok, disconcertingly so.
I recall several years ago my 80 year old, conservative dad telling me that he had come to very much believe the stories blacks were telling of the disrespect and abuse they felt, because he'd recently been treated disrespectfully...just trying to be a helpful, first hand witness to an accident. He was really PO'd, yet he said it had certainly not been the first time he'd felt like a policeman was way too full of himself and his gun and uniform...
Reminds me of law school over 30 years ago. So many of my classmates were from white upper class suburban families who would go into absolute shock and outrage if any minority student would complain about police abuses. They would routinely say, this is America - such things don't happen here. ( ) Some of the professors who had been involved in poverty law tried to set them straight on this but most wouldn't listen. However, a few who did work for the city/county as interns got the rude awakening as their poverty row clients would be dragged into court by cops while white clients would be politely escorted by lawyers and addressed as "sir" or "ma'am". Others had the experience of interviewing people who were slated to be alibi withnesses but who later on refused to appear in court for fear of getting killed by cops. In those days we did not see nightly tv reports of police abuses like we do today. A cop kicking someone in the gut is only what you see on the surface. There's a lot more going on behind closed doors that you never see. Now all know the truth about police crimes and corruption. Because of that, most likely, most of my fellow students from those privileged backgrounds have now changed their views. It's just too bad they couldn't see all this earlier. And it is too bad that certainly delusional right wingers still can't see the light.
My memories are like yours. We were the minority when I got into this fight (civil rights) way back when (late 60s). We are now the overwhelming majority. We are much closer to the end of this battle than the beginning. Hearts and minds, those that can have changed and continue to. A good thing to be certain. Those that can't will sulk in the corner.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:27 pm
A mayor and city you know nothing about. I happen to think Bottoms is pretty basic but she’s no worse than the governor, Kemp, whom I happen to know is a sycophant selfish person who climbed up through a position (Secretary of State) that isn’t even elected in most states, was bought by Kelly Loeffler, Tom Price and the head of a company called MiMedx.
You’re the liar now because you have no basis for making those claims. Since you called others liars, what’s good for the gander...
You are wrong and keep trying to distort the situation by stating things you have zero knowledge of. I guess it can be effective to shout down another with lies, supposition and malignant distortion repeatedly enough. But it’s dishonorable.
Watch her press conference.
This one?
Is that the Tyler Perry studio opening? That guy is NA piece of work. If we’re talking about OPP (other people’s money) my man Tyler is king of owning (Intellectual and tangible) properties without putting anything in at all. They’re really counting on that combined with a continuation of the belt line to improve SW which is easily the worst part of the city.
Yes. I like the guy in that big cowboy hat. Reminds me of the hat the guy was wearing in Muhlholland Drive.
In the world of the delusional right wing such thoughts are considered quite acceptable.
Why not? If you value equality, why not 10% flat for everyone and no IRS is necessary. We could train them to be social workers.
What is delusional is not recognizing one race is almost 8 times more likely to commit a homicide than the next highest race. Read the attached commentary. Everything he says is backed up by statistical analysis. And if you don't like the part about intelligence, remember, Asians are generally more intelligent than whites. Not specifically, generally.
Most of you libs fit the definition in the piece, basically saying that you would ask us to ignore the facts while you actually live them, by choosing to live in "safe" neighborhoods, with "good" schools. When you sell your house in Roland Park and move to Sandtown-Winchester, get back to me.
Did you move to the inner city? Are you disputing the murder numbers? Or did you just take this as an opportunity to insult me? I live in a very mixed race neighborhood, with very few people who flaunt their wealth. Quite a few are probably millionaires on paper. I can tell you that zero percent think I am a racist. I'm just the guy with the nice wife and son and three cats. I get lots of smiles. Why, because I don't give people extra points because of some immutable characteristic. I give them all the same benefit of the doubt.
MDlaxfan76 would be amused by this. Our oldest child is very intelligent. Math SAT 800. She applied to Dartmouth with the second highest GPA in her HS class and 24 AP credits including calculus and physics. She graduated her "second choice" college as Valedictorian (another thing to eliminate, according to recent trends). When I called Dartmouth just to see why, I was told enrollment basically broke down among legacy, minority, sports and all other and that "all other" was roughly 25%. I did not inquire about anyone's GPA or SAT. I just said OK. Yet, when I told the admissions officer my daughter went to a public HS, I was told that if she had gone to nearby Severn School ($22k/yr at the time) she probably would have been admitted. Anyone see the inconsistency? He probably lived in a "safe neighborhood" with "nice schools" in Hanover, NH.
But you just said there’s likely paper millionaires in your hood so how are you calling anyone else out? Ever spent any time below the anacostia. In Brooklyn’s hood or south bronx? How about wretched parts of Oakland or SW Atlanta, East point, When YOU sell YOUR house in your nice neighborhood come back here and tell us since you are making proclamations about inner cities? Doing the same thing hour now whining about someone doing to you except you threw the bomb out there with a piece from a known racist and treated it like some scientific study by an agnostic person. That’s called fraud.
I spent a lot of time around black people in Baltimore City from an early age. My grandfather and his brother-in-law had a poultry stall in two of the open air markets. My brother and I were there every Saturday from the time we were about 8. I also remember delivering free turkeys with all the trimmings during Thanksgiving and Christmas in West Baltimore, where none of their customers came from.
Calling someone a racist is mostly for the lazy and unthinking who want to shield their eyes from the obvious and offer bromides, not solutions. The murder rate isn't a factor of color, it's a factor of culture and desperation. You can add what well meaning liberals have done to them by marginalizing the black man. In many cases your government program became the father, and it has proven a poor substitute for a real black man.
Dude you put up an argument that started this claiming irrefutable fact that color does impact whether one is A murdered or not in terms of probabilities and then in the same string argued against that. What are you talking about.
There is a difference, because the study did not elaborate on factors, only colors. I elaborated on factors, as I have from the beginning. And many of the factors are from Dems "helping". You're helping them to death.
Ds are doing what politicians do - take money from the rich guys and do their bidding in return.
Out west it's all about the water and grazing rights - you don't think the Rs in charge aren't screwing the pooch?
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm
So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.
Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.
Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.
Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.
Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.
Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.
Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.
A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.
A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.
Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.
Where are your crocodile tears for these guys?
What's the big deal ? It's just a non-lethal taser.
Those cops are fired &/or charged, for using a deadly weapon -- a taser, according to the same prosecutor going after Rolfe who said the taser was a non-lethal weapon in the hands of a fleeing fugitive who had just assaulted & overcome 2 trained arresting officers.
jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:04 pm
My memories are like yours. We were the minority when I got into this fight (civil rights) way back when (late 60s). We are now the overwhelming majority. We are much closer to the end of this battle than the beginning. Hearts and minds, those that can have changed and continue to. A good thing to be certain. Those that can't will sulk in the corner.
1,000+ Good Rep Points For You!
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm
So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.
Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.
Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.
Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.
Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.
Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.
Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.
A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.
A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.
Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.
Where are your crocodile tears for these guys?
What's the big deal ? It's just a non-lethal taser.
Those cops are fired &/or charged, for using a deadly weapon -- a taser, according to the same prosecutor going after Rolfe who said the taser was a non-lethal weapon in the hands of a fleeing fugitive who had just assaulted & overcome 2 trained arresting officers.
I didn’t read you complaints about their firings....
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:35 pm
One tv observation and you’ve got the entire Atlanta city and political infrastructure figured out? Fraud.
A city you know nothing about.
You just figured that out?
Why don't you pay attention to what's going on in your city before calling liars others who are paying attention.
Bottoms, who said she watched video of the shooting for 30 minutes, said the incident was "not confrontational" and called Brooks, "a guy that you were rooting for."
"Even knowing the end, watching it, you are going, 'just let him go, just let him go, let him call somebody to pick him up,'" she said.
Rooting for a blackout drunk driver, blocking traffic, who violently assaults 2 of your police officers who are following the guidelines, deescalating the situation & trying to get him off the road before he harms himself or others. Let him go because it's an inconvenient time for him, while he's drinking himself into a stupor while celebrating his daughter's birthday. What cop wouldn't be assured by such leadership.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm
So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.
Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.
Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.
Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.
Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.
Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.
Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.
A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.
A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.
Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.
Where are your crocodile tears for these guys?
What's the big deal ? It's just a non-lethal taser.
Those cops are fired &/or charged, for using a deadly weapon -- a taser, according to the same prosecutor going after Rolfe who said the taser was a non-lethal weapon in the hands of a fleeing fugitive who had just assaulted & overcome 2 trained arresting officers.
I didn’t read you complaints about their firings....
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:35 pm
One tv observation and you’ve got the entire Atlanta city and political infrastructure figured out? Fraud.
A city you know nothing about.
You just figured that out?
Why don't you pay attention to what's going on in your city before calling liars others who are paying attention.
Bottoms, who said she watched video of the shooting for 30 minutes, said the incident was "not confrontational" and called Brooks, "a guy that you were rooting for."
"Even knowing the end, watching it, you are going, 'just let him go, just let him go, let him call somebody to pick him up,'" she said.
Rooting for a blackout drunk driver, blocking traffic, who violently assaults 2 of your police officers who are following the guidelines, deescalating the situation & trying to get him off the road before he harms himself or others. Let him go because it's an inconvenient time for him, while he's drinking himself into a stupor while celebrating his daughter's birthday. What cop wouldn't be assured by such leadership.
Well your buddy is out of a job now. Keisha looked good in that pink dress.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm
So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.
Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.
Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.
Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.
Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.
Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.
Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.
A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.
A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.
Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.
Where are your crocodile tears for these guys?
What's the big deal ? It's just a non-lethal taser.
Those cops are fired &/or charged, for using a deadly weapon -- a taser, according to the same prosecutor going after Rolfe who said the taser was a non-lethal weapon in the hands of a fleeing fugitive who had just assaulted & overcome 2 trained arresting officers.
I didn’t read you complaints about their firings....
But, heck, I'll say 2% if it makes you happy...but how do they stay on the force and commit abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse......
Whole bunch of others, (by definition not 'bad apples') who turn a blind eye or otherwise protect them from scrutiny.
Again, my limited experience, a white guy who presumably doesn't look like he poses a particular threat to anyone nor acts like he would, is that in 25+% of my interactions I found myself feeling quite disrespected as a common citizen. I didn't expect any special treatment, but the disrespect, the bossy, puffed up militaristic attitude of the policeman (haven't had it happen with a police woman as yet) was enough to make me really not ok, disconcertingly so.
I recall several years ago my 80 year old, conservative dad telling me that he had come to very much believe the stories blacks were telling of the disrespect and abuse they felt, because he'd recently been treated disrespectfully...just trying to be a helpful, first hand witness to an accident. He was really PO'd, yet he said it had certainly not been the first time he'd felt like a policeman was way too full of himself and his gun and uniform...
Reminds me of law school over 30 years ago. So many of my classmates were from white upper class suburban families who would go into absolute shock and outrage if any minority student would complain about police abuses. They would routinely say, this is America - such things don't happen here. ( ) Some of the professors who had been involved in poverty law tried to set them straight on this but most wouldn't listen. However, a few who did work for the city/county as interns got the rude awakening as their poverty row clients would be dragged into court by cops while white clients would be politely escorted by lawyers and addressed as "sir" or "ma'am". Others had the experience of interviewing people who were slated to be alibi withnesses but who later on refused to appear in court for fear of getting killed by cops. In those days we did not see nightly tv reports of police abuses like we do today. A cop kicking someone in the gut is only what you see on the surface. There's a lot more going on behind closed doors that you never see. Now all know the truth about police crimes and corruption. Because of that, most likely, most of my fellow students from those privileged backgrounds have now changed their views. It's just too bad they couldn't see all this earlier. And it is too bad that certainly delusional right wingers still can't see the light.
I had an eye-opening experience around 1980 in Los Angeles. The LA police wanted to use the building where I worked on a Saturday when it was normally closed as a command center so I went in and opened it up. It was located across the street from Lincoln Park in the Lincoln Heights section of East LA. There was a free Santana concert going on. After awhile I walked over to see some of the concert. I might have been the only white guy in the park, wearing a L.L. Bean Oxford shirt no less. After I returned to the building, I walked around back to see if everything was ok and accidentally walked into two LA officers, wearing black leather gloves, beating the crap out of some Mexican guy. Looked like a regular kid, not a cholo. Anyway, I just did an immediate pivot and walked away to returned to the office.
But, heck, I'll say 2% if it makes you happy...but how do they stay on the force and commit abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse......
Whole bunch of others, (by definition not 'bad apples') who turn a blind eye or otherwise protect them from scrutiny.
Again, my limited experience, a white guy who presumably doesn't look like he poses a particular threat to anyone nor acts like he would, is that in 25+% of my interactions I found myself feeling quite disrespected as a common citizen. I didn't expect any special treatment, but the disrespect, the bossy, puffed up militaristic attitude of the policeman (haven't had it happen with a police woman as yet) was enough to make me really not ok, disconcertingly so.
I recall several years ago my 80 year old, conservative dad telling me that he had come to very much believe the stories blacks were telling of the disrespect and abuse they felt, because he'd recently been treated disrespectfully...just trying to be a helpful, first hand witness to an accident. He was really PO'd, yet he said it had certainly not been the first time he'd felt like a policeman was way too full of himself and his gun and uniform...
Reminds me of law school over 30 years ago. So many of my classmates were from white upper class suburban families who would go into absolute shock and outrage if any minority student would complain about police abuses. They would routinely say, this is America - such things don't happen here. ( ) Some of the professors who had been involved in poverty law tried to set them straight on this but most wouldn't listen. However, a few who did work for the city/county as interns got the rude awakening as their poverty row clients would be dragged into court by cops while white clients would be politely escorted by lawyers and addressed as "sir" or "ma'am". Others had the experience of interviewing people who were slated to be alibi withnesses but who later on refused to appear in court for fear of getting killed by cops. In those days we did not see nightly tv reports of police abuses like we do today. A cop kicking someone in the gut is only what you see on the surface. There's a lot more going on behind closed doors that you never see. Now all know the truth about police crimes and corruption. Because of that, most likely, most of my fellow students from those privileged backgrounds have now changed their views. It's just too bad they couldn't see all this earlier. And it is too bad that certainly delusional right wingers still can't see the light.
My memories are like yours. We were the minority when I got into this fight (civil rights) way back when (late 60s). We are now the overwhelming majority. We are much closer to the end of this battle than the beginning. Hearts and minds, those that can have changed and continue to. A good thing to be certain. Those that can't will sulk in the corner.
We have a long way to go. Violent anti black racism almost non-existent. Workplace racism (except possibly in the C-Suite) is virtually non-existent. But Paternalism isn't. The fatherless black family was not invented by black people. Black families actually were on par or slightly less than whites as far as babies born out of wedlock in the early 20th century. We must not treat adult blacks like children. We should see them as independent, thinking human beings who want the same access to success as anyone else. They want the safe neighborhoods and good schools all parents want. They don't want to hear a handful of gunshots every night.
An awful lot of unrealized potential is not just holding back blacks, it's holding back all of us.
"I would never want to belong to a club that would have me as a member", Groucho Marx
get it to x wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:42 pm
We have a long way to go. Violent anti black racism almost non-existent. Workplace racism (except possibly in the C-Suite) is virtually non-existent. But Paternalism isn't. The fatherless black family was not invented by black people. Black families actually were on par or slightly less than whites as far as babies born out of wedlock in the early 20th century. We must not treat adult blacks like children. We should see them as independent, thinking human beings who want the same access to success as anyone else. They want the safe neighborhoods and good schools all parents want. They don't want to hear a handful of gunshots every night.
An awful lot of unrealized potential is not just holding back blacks, it's holding back all of us.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm
So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.
Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.
Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.
What percent of police do you think are 'bad apples', farfromgeneva?
It's an interesting question, for sure PB.
What do you think?
5, 10, 20, 30?
Let's say it's 5.
I think it's considerably higher, just based upon my handful of interactions with police as a general citizen, either as a witness to an accident or as a victim or as someone just walking down the street. At least a quarter of my interactions as an adult, a well off white guy by appearance, have been downright uncomfortable, clear lack of respect for me as a citizen shown by the officer. Not 100%, but WAY too often. I've had lots of good interactions as well, but too many were just not remotely ok.
And I'm not a young black man, whether in a neighborhood plagued by crime...or driving a nice car or running down the street in a wealthy or middle class neighborhood...
The more problematic question than what percent are 'bad apples', though, is why and how they were hired in the first place, and most importantly why and how they remain in blue for so long. What is about the police and policing that turns a blind eye to these 'bad apples'? Over and over and over again...until maybe someone catches them on film...
Seems to me that some of these folks are attracted to the power associated with carrying a badge and a gun, the uniform, etc. I've met too many of this type.
Part of it is the 'blue', this notion of being in a warlike posture, gotta have my buddies' back to survive, etc.
And part of it is the ongoing racist presumptions, a persistent reality of our society.
It is a complex question where lines have to be drawn carefully. A really bad COP, one who under no circumstance should be a COP is probably no more than 5%. The real problem is the military culture and humans just being humans of having each others backs, not wanting to snitch, not understanding their mission, etc. The corruption that creeps into all large organizations - police forces and unions. The twenty COPs who cover for the one bad COP are the real problem. Their duty is to society and the people they police. That has largely been lost. Go along to get along in a corrupt system.
Wouldn’t corrupt and “bad apple” be largely synonymous?
I think it is two separate problems (individual bad apples and a corrupt system). We are a corrupt society. As individuals I think less so. The system is corrupt and that tends to wash off in varying degrees on everyone in the system. Bad apples may have initially been responsible for instituting the corrupt system, but the bad apple policeman today is not what caused the corrupt system. It is there and he just flourishes in it. The 20 who are covering for the bad apple are responding to the corrupt system. The system has to be broken, to fix it. That is the impetus behind much of the defund movement. Personally I would start with the unions.
Fair enough though it’s still a choice to work/live within a corrupt system and play the game. I think that makes people less bad/good but rather human, which I’ve tried to describe as it relates to common boots on the ground small and mid sized, republican strongholds, cities (like a Binghamton, Bath, Utica, Buffalo, etc). Includes drinks, low educated people, people with bad attitudes or crappy marriages, etc.
It’s not really binary anyways of course. But being in a corrupt system doesn’t seem to abdicate responsibility, particularly when the stakes are this high.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:31 pm
Martin Gugino, the 75 year old man pushed down roughly in Buffalo, has a skull fracture and at this point cannot walk yet. Lawyer provided information to CNN via letter...
Lawyer says a long recovery process ahead.
Boo boo. Probably shouldn’t try to interrupt the police when they’re trying to clear a sidewalk.
Probably your most despicable post yet, Pete.
I hope the judge who sentences these two Gestapo cops is about 80 years old and that he gives them 10 years each.
And if, as you seem to be hoping, Gugino succumbs to his injuries, these pieces of excrement should be sentenced to life.
Yeah sorry I don’t really give a rats arse about some entitled Marxist octogenarian dbag harassing cops in Buffalo.
By the way I meant to write boo hoo, meaning I don’t give af. Don’t want to get hurt? Get tf out of the street when you’re politely asked multiple times. Don’t scream in the cops face that he’s “a pig”. And if you trip because you don’t have balance, maybe stay away.
Instead, I care about decent Americans like Julian Keen, executed by thugs when he tried to help humanity. This is a man I contribute to a gofundme for. Did YOU?
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:22 pm
So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.
Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.
Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.
Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.
Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.
Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.
Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.
A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.
A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.
Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.
Where are your crocodile tears for these guys?
What's the big deal ? It's just a non-lethal taser.
Those cops are fired &/or charged, for using a deadly weapon -- a taser, according to the same prosecutor going after Rolfe who said the taser was a non-lethal weapon in the hands of a fleeing fugitive who had just assaulted & overcome 2 trained arresting officers.
Either dishonest or moronic if you can’t differentiate between “citizen” and “authority given the use of weapons and lethal force along with other prerogatives that citizens would not have rights to”. The standard is different. Duh.
Police are serving and protecting the community, not citizens in uniform/on the job. Why can’t you understand this?
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:31 pm
Martin Gugino, the 75 year old man pushed down roughly in Buffalo, has a skull fracture and at this point cannot walk yet. Lawyer provided information to CNN via letter...
Lawyer says a long recovery process ahead.
Boo boo. Probably shouldn’t try to interrupt the police when they’re trying to clear a sidewalk.
Probably your most despicable post yet, Pete.
I hope the judge who sentences these two Gestapo cops is about 80 years old and that he gives them 10 years each.
And if, as you seem to be hoping, Gugino succumbs to his injuries, these pieces of excrement should be sentenced to life.
Yeah sorry I don’t really give a rats arse about some entitled Marxist octogenarian dbag harassing cops in Buffalo.
By the way I meant to write boo hoo, meaning I don’t give af. Don’t want to get hurt? Get tf out of the street when you’re politely asked multiple times. Don’t scream in the cops face that he’s “a pig”. And if you trip because you don’t have balance, maybe stay away.
Instead, I care about decent Americans like Julian Keen, executed by thugs when he tried to help humanity. This is a man I contribute to a gofundme for. Did YOU?
That’s a police state not our country. An officer is not allowed to assault a person who’s yelling at them. It really is that simple. Different standards for police and citizens. That’s should be easily agreed upon but some people want to argue its ok for cops to respond with any and all force to whatever inconvenience comes their way when dealing with inconveniences and risk is in the job description and why those pensions exist.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
As these cops are rotting in jail, how many times a day do you think they will regret their actions? Do you think it will be the last thing they think of every night before they go to sleep? Do you think they will regret that one macho moment where they illegally (one using a deadly weapon) shoved an elderly man to the ground?
Do you think they will regret the fact that they will miss their kids growing up, that their wives may divorce them, that other men will raise their children, that they will have humiliated their families, that they will have ruined their own lives?
As far as I’m concerned, I hope these dirty cops rot in hell. I hope they see some street justice once they are on the inside.
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:50 pm
As these cops are rotting in jail, how many times a day do you think they will regret their actions? Do you think it will be the last thing they think of every night before they go to sleep? Do you think they will regret that one macho moment where they illegally (one using a deadly weapon) shoved an elderly man to the ground?
Do you think they will regret the fact that they will miss their kids growing up, that their wives may divorce them, that other men will raise their children, that they will have humiliated their families, that they will have ruined their own lives?
As far as I’m concerned, I hope these dirty cops rot in hell. I hope they see some street justice once they are on the inside.
Well for better or worse, because prison violence is awful in general, I suspect they’ll be more focused on keeping the wonder bread bag out of their back side, kool aid lipstick off their mouth and avoid having to have their finger in another dudes pocket while walking around the yard.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
) Some of the professors who had been involved in poverty law tried to set them straight on this but most wouldn't listen. However, a few who did work for the city/county as interns got the rude awakening as their poverty row clients would be dragged into court by cops while white clients would be politely escorted by lawyers and addressed as "sir" or "ma'am". Others had the experience of interviewing people who were slated to be alibi withnesses but who later on refused to appear in court for fear of getting killed by cops. In those days we did not see nightly tv reports of police abuses like we do today. A cop kicking someone in the gut is only what you see on the surface. There's a lot more going on behind closed doors that you never see. Now all know the truth about police crimes and corruption. Because of that, most likely, most of my fellow students from those privileged backgrounds have now changed their views. It's just too bad they couldn't see all this earlier. And it is too bad that certainly delusional right wingers still can't see the light.
