Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[old salt]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.

Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.

Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.

Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.

A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.

A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.

Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.

Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.

Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.

Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.

A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.

Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.

A “little sugar baby in her day” mayor. Who said anything about going free? Stop lying. You think he will be reinstated?

[Farfromgeneva]

A mayor and city you know nothing about. I happen to think Bottoms is pretty basic but she’s no worse than the governor, Kemp, whom I happen to know is a sycophant selfish person who climbed up through a position (Secretary of State) that isn’t even elected in most states, was bought by Kelly Loeffler, Tom Price and the head of a company called MiMedx.

You’re the liar now because you have no basis for making those claims. Since you called others liars, what’s good for the gander...

You are wrong and keep trying to distort the situation by stating things you have zero knowledge of. I guess it can be effective to shout down another with lies, supposition and malignant distortion repeatedly enough. But it’s dishonorable.

[Typical Lax Dad]

A mayor and city you know nothing about. I happen to think Bottoms is pretty basic but she’s no worse than the governor, Kemp, whom I happen to know is a sycophant selfish person who climbed up through a position (Secretary of State) that isn’t even elected in most states, was bought by Kelly Loeffler, Tom Price and the head of a company called MiMedx.

You’re the liar now because you have no basis for making those claims. Since you called others liars, what’s good for the gander...

You are wrong and keep trying to distort the situation by stating things you have zero knowledge of. I guess it can be effective to shout down another with lies, supposition and malignant distortion repeatedly enough. But it’s dishonorable.

Dishonorable means nothing to him. It mattered years ago but not any more.

[Brooklyn]

Geneva's response suffices.

But, heck, I'll say 2% if it makes you happy...but how do they stay on the force and commit abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse after abuse......

Whole bunch of others, (by definition not 'bad apples') who turn a blind eye or otherwise protect them from scrutiny.

Again, my limited experience, a white guy who presumably doesn't look like he poses a particular threat to anyone nor acts like he would, is that in 25+% of my interactions I found myself feeling quite disrespected as a common citizen. I didn't expect any special treatment, but the disrespect, the bossy, puffed up militaristic attitude of the policeman (haven't had it happen with a police woman as yet) was enough to make me really not ok, disconcertingly so.

I recall several years ago my 80 year old, conservative dad telling me that he had come to very much believe the stories blacks were telling of the disrespect and abuse they felt, because he'd recently been treated disrespectfully...just trying to be a helpful, first hand witness to an accident. He was really PO'd, yet he said it had certainly not been the first time he'd felt like a policeman was way too full of himself and his gun and uniform...

Reminds me of law school over 30 years ago. So many of my classmates were from white upper class suburban families who would go into absolute shock and outrage if any minority student would complain about police abuses. They would routinely say, this is America - such things don't happen here. ( ) Some of the professors who had been involved in poverty law tried to set them straight on this but most wouldn't listen. However, a few who did work for the city/county as interns got the rude awakening as their poverty row clients would be dragged into court by cops while white clients would be politely escorted by lawyers and addressed as "sir" or "ma'am". Others had the experience of interviewing people who were slated to be alibi withnesses but who later on refused to appear in court for fear of getting killed by cops. In those days we did not see nightly tv reports of police abuses like we do today. A cop kicking someone in the gut is only what you see on the surface. There's a lot more going on behind closed doors that you never see. Now all know the truth about police crimes and corruption. Because of that, most likely, most of my fellow students from those privileged backgrounds have now changed their views. It's just too bad they couldn't see all this earlier. And it is too bad that certainly delusional right wingers still can't see the light.

[get it to x]

get it to X, where was your daughter's second choice?

Congrats to her for doing well there. Valedictorian is a big deal.

But yeah, all the Ivies turn away slews of brilliant kids in every class...they're looking for more than just who is smartest or who tests best. Seems a bit crazy to me, but what they look for is some particular attribute, other than just academic performance or test scores, that is truly 'world class'. Yup, that could be athletics, or creating some special charity, or winning a robotics prize, or playing the oboe...but gotta be one of the best in the world. All the admitted applicants can handle the academic load, they say, but who brings something special?

But for every admitted kid, there's probably 1-3 more who, on paper look identical to the admit. Yikes.

All that said, the comment that she would have had a better chance had she gone to Severn instead of public school is truly preposterous. If you'd said the opposite, I'd have understood how the public school background might have suggested some degree of 'grit' that they found attractive differentially, but Severn (a quite good small preppy school) would not have given a particular leg up. That application would look like many thousands of others from such schools.

So too is the 25% "other"...not remotely close.
Dunno who you talked to, but maybe you heard what you wanted to hear...

I talked to the guy who reviewed her application. She was recommended by an alum in the area who knew our family well. In the end, he told me there were 11,000 kids (not including legacies, athletes and disadvantaged)) applying for 25% of the slots. That's about 300 based on 4,500 undergrad total enrollment.

[old salt]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.

Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.

Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.

Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.

A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.

Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.

A “little sugar baby in her day” mayor. Who said anything about going free? Stop lying. You think he will be reinstated?

Watch her weepy "piszed off" press conference. She said that while watching the police body cam video, she kept saying " let him go ".
That's the city leader the Atlanta Police look to for support.

[Typical Lax Dad]

get it to X, where was your daughter's second choice?

Congrats to her for doing well there. Valedictorian is a big deal.

But yeah, all the Ivies turn away slews of brilliant kids in every class...they're looking for more than just who is smartest or who tests best. Seems a bit crazy to me, but what they look for is some particular attribute, other than just academic performance or test scores, that is truly 'world class'. Yup, that could be athletics, or creating some special charity, or winning a robotics prize, or playing the oboe...but gotta be one of the best in the world. All the admitted applicants can handle the academic load, they say, but who brings something special?

But for every admitted kid, there's probably 1-3 more who, on paper look identical to the admit. Yikes.

All that said, the comment that she would have had a better chance had she gone to Severn instead of public school is truly preposterous. If you'd said the opposite, I'd have understood how the public school background might have suggested some degree of 'grit' that they found attractive differentially, but Severn (a quite good small preppy school) would not have given a particular leg up. That application would look like many thousands of others from such schools.

So too is the 25% "other"...not remotely close.
Dunno who you talked to, but maybe you heard what you wanted to hear...

I talked to the guy who reviewed her application. She was recommended by an alum in the area who knew our family well. In the end, he told me there were 11,000 kids (not including legacies, athletes and disadvantaged)) applying for 25% of the slots. That's about 300 based on 4,500 undergrad total enrollment.

Then divide it by 2 for gender if you haven’t. You think any of those kids were “unqualified”?

[old salt]

A mayor and city you know nothing about. I happen to think Bottoms is pretty basic but she’s no worse than the governor, Kemp, whom I happen to know is a sycophant selfish person who climbed up through a position (Secretary of State) that isn’t even elected in most states, was bought by Kelly Loeffler, Tom Price and the head of a company called MiMedx.

You’re the liar now because you have no basis for making those claims. Since you called others liars, what’s good for the gander...

You are wrong and keep trying to distort the situation by stating things you have zero knowledge of. I guess it can be effective to shout down another with lies, supposition and malignant distortion repeatedly enough. But it’s dishonorable.

Watch her press conference.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.

Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.

Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.

Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.

A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.

Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.

A “little sugar baby in her day” mayor. Who said anything about going free? Stop lying. You think he will be reinstated?

Watch her weepy "piszed off" press conference. She said that while watching the police body cam video, she kept saying " let him go ".
That's the city leader the Atlanta Police look to for support.

Don’t change the topic.

[Farfromgeneva]

One tv observation and you’ve got the entire Atlanta city and political infrastructure figured out? Fraud.

A city you know nothing about.

[jhu72]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

What percent of police do you think are 'bad apples', farfromgeneva?

It's an interesting question, for sure PB.

What do you think?
5, 10, 20, 30?

Let's say it's 5.
I think it's considerably higher, just based upon my handful of interactions with police as a general citizen, either as a witness to an accident or as a victim or as someone just walking down the street. At least a quarter of my interactions as an adult, a well off white guy by appearance, have been downright uncomfortable, clear lack of respect for me as a citizen shown by the officer. Not 100%, but WAY too often. I've had lots of good interactions as well, but too many were just not remotely ok.

And I'm not a young black man, whether in a neighborhood plagued by crime...or driving a nice car or running down the street in a wealthy or middle class neighborhood...

The more problematic question than what percent are 'bad apples', though, is why and how they were hired in the first place, and most importantly why and how they remain in blue for so long. What is about the police and policing that turns a blind eye to these 'bad apples'? Over and over and over again...until maybe someone catches them on film...

Seems to me that some of these folks are attracted to the power associated with carrying a badge and a gun, the uniform, etc. I've met too many of this type.

Part of it is the 'blue', this notion of being in a warlike posture, gotta have my buddies' back to survive, etc.

And part of it is the ongoing racist presumptions, a persistent reality of our society.

It is a complex question where lines have to be drawn carefully. A really bad COP, one who under no circumstance should be a COP is probably no more than 5%. The real problem is the military culture and humans just being humans of having each others backs, not wanting to snitch, not understanding their mission, etc. The corruption that creeps into all large organizations - police forces and unions. The twenty COPs who cover for the one bad COP are the real problem. Their duty is to society and the people they police. That has largely been lost. Go along to get along in a corrupt system.

Wouldn’t corrupt and “bad apple” be largely synonymous?

I think it is two separate problems (individual bad apples and a corrupt system). We are a corrupt society. As individuals I think less so. The system is corrupt and that tends to wash off in varying degrees on everyone in the system. Bad apples may have initially been responsible for instituting the corrupt system, but the bad apple policeman today is not what caused the corrupt system. It is there and he just flourishes in it. The 20 who are covering for the bad apple are responding to the corrupt system. The system has to be broken, to fix it. That is the impetus behind much of the defund movement. Personally I would start with the unions.

[Typical Lax Dad]

One tv observation and you’ve got the entire Atlanta city and political infrastructure figured out? Fraud.

A city you know nothing about.

You just figured that out?

[Typical Lax Dad]

A mayor and city you know nothing about. I happen to think Bottoms is pretty basic but she’s no worse than the governor, Kemp, whom I happen to know is a sycophant selfish person who climbed up through a position (Secretary of State) that isn’t even elected in most states, was bought by Kelly Loeffler, Tom Price and the head of a company called MiMedx.

You’re the liar now because you have no basis for making those claims. Since you called others liars, what’s good for the gander...

You are wrong and keep trying to distort the situation by stating things you have zero knowledge of. I guess it can be effective to shout down another with lies, supposition and malignant distortion repeatedly enough. But it’s dishonorable.

Watch her press conference.

This one?

[MDlaxfan76]

get it to X, where was your daughter's second choice?

Congrats to her for doing well there. Valedictorian is a big deal.

But yeah, all the Ivies turn away slews of brilliant kids in every class...they're looking for more than just who is smartest or who tests best. Seems a bit crazy to me, but what they look for is some particular attribute, other than just academic performance or test scores, that is truly 'world class'. Yup, that could be athletics, or creating some special charity, or winning a robotics prize, or playing the oboe...but gotta be one of the best in the world. All the admitted applicants can handle the academic load, they say, but who brings something special?

But for every admitted kid, there's probably 1-3 more who, on paper look identical to the admit. Yikes.

All that said, the comment that she would have had a better chance had she gone to Severn instead of public school is truly preposterous. If you'd said the opposite, I'd have understood how the public school background might have suggested some degree of 'grit' that they found attractive differentially, but Severn (a quite good small preppy school) would not have given a particular leg up. That application would look like many thousands of others from such schools.

So too is the 25% "other"...not remotely close.
Dunno who you talked to, but maybe you heard what you wanted to hear...

I talked to the guy who reviewed her application. She was recommended by an alum in the area who knew our family well. In the end, he told me there were 11,000 kids (not including legacies, athletes and disadvantaged)) applying for 25% of the slots. That's about 300 based on 4,500 undergrad total enrollment.

Well, there are about 20-23K who apply each year for the 1100-1200 slots, about 8-10% offered admission, which ultimately yield that final #.

Early admission rates are a bit better, and, yes, that's when most athletes apply (after all this is a lax forum). Few who apply with a coach's support are not admitted, though they do need to hit AI spread. About 20% of the class, not including walk-ons. Legacies are about 12%, though it's indeed a serious advantage. (but tell that to alums whose kids get turned down!) Then you have various other attributes, most especially economic disadvantage or first generation college admit, both of which get a boost. Race is actually a low boost, though there's some overlap with economic disadvantage and first generation boosts.

So, it's more like a kid without one of those boosts is competing for the remaining 40-50%, and that's when those other factors like the oboe, etc come into play...does the kid have some very special passion and talent that differentiates her or him from the pack? And you only need so many oboe players...it's indeed very, very hard.

But they turn away a whole lot of perfect SAT applicants each year...

Thanks for the PM, you've got three great kids...congrats.

[6ftstick]

appropriate and timely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4

F of all of you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukisoucFIk4

[Typical Lax Dad]

get it to X, where was your daughter's second choice?

Congrats to her for doing well there. Valedictorian is a big deal.

But yeah, all the Ivies turn away slews of brilliant kids in every class...they're looking for more than just who is smartest or who tests best. Seems a bit crazy to me, but what they look for is some particular attribute, other than just academic performance or test scores, that is truly 'world class'. Yup, that could be athletics, or creating some special charity, or winning a robotics prize, or playing the oboe...but gotta be one of the best in the world. All the admitted applicants can handle the academic load, they say, but who brings something special?

But for every admitted kid, there's probably 1-3 more who, on paper look identical to the admit. Yikes.

All that said, the comment that she would have had a better chance had she gone to Severn instead of public school is truly preposterous. If you'd said the opposite, I'd have understood how the public school background might have suggested some degree of 'grit' that they found attractive differentially, but Severn (a quite good small preppy school) would not have given a particular leg up. That application would look like many thousands of others from such schools.

So too is the 25% "other"...not remotely close.
Dunno who you talked to, but maybe you heard what you wanted to hear...

I talked to the guy who reviewed her application. She was recommended by an alum in the area who knew our family well. In the end, he told me there were 11,000 kids (not including legacies, athletes and disadvantaged)) applying for 25% of the slots. That's about 300 based on 4,500 undergrad total enrollment.

Well, there are about 20-23K who apply each year for the 1100-1200 slots, about 8-10% offered admission, which ultimately yield that final #.

Early admission rates are a bit better, and, yes, that's when most athletes apply (after all this is a lax forum). Few who apply with a coach's support are not admitted, though they do need to hit AI spread. About 20% of the class, not including walk-ons. Legacies are about 12%, though it's indeed a serious advantage. (but tell that to alums whose kids get turned down!) Then you have various other attributes, most especially economic disadvantage or first generation college admit, both of which get a boost. Race is actually a low boost, though there's some overlap with economic disadvantage and first generation boosts.

So, it's more like a kid without one of those boosts is competing for the remaining 40-50%, and that's when those other factors like the oboe, etc come into play...does the kid have some very special passion and talent that differentiates her or him from the pack? And you only need so many oboe players...it's indeed very, very hard.

But they turn away a whole lot of perfect SAT applicants each year...

Thanks for the PM, you've got three great kids...congrats.

Many of these schools could admit three or four identical classes each year. Just not enough room to take them all. No (or not many) “unqualified” kid applies to these highly selective schools.

[Farfromgeneva]

And alternative, Mary Norwood, was worse. Even just on politics, setting aside the fact that she took over a ruined easily the best burrito spot in the entire city in like 2 years having taken it over turnkey. It closed shortly after she lost the election and probably propped it up until then to avoid the pub. (For the record it was called Tomatillos in East Atlanta Village on Glenwood Ave between Moreland and Flat Shoals Ave in SE Atlanta)

[Farfromgeneva]

A mayor and city you know nothing about. I happen to think Bottoms is pretty basic but she’s no worse than the governor, Kemp, whom I happen to know is a sycophant selfish person who climbed up through a position (Secretary of State) that isn’t even elected in most states, was bought by Kelly Loeffler, Tom Price and the head of a company called MiMedx.

You’re the liar now because you have no basis for making those claims. Since you called others liars, what’s good for the gander...

You are wrong and keep trying to distort the situation by stating things you have zero knowledge of. I guess it can be effective to shout down another with lies, supposition and malignant distortion repeatedly enough. But it’s dishonorable.

Watch her press conference.

This one?

Is that the Tyler Perry studio opening? That guy is NA piece of work. If we’re talking about OPP (other people’s money) my man Tyler is king of owning (Intellectual and tangible) properties without putting anything in at all. They’re really counting on that combined with a continuation of the belt line to improve SW which is easily the worst part of the city.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So, anyone ready to acknowledge this fact.

Turns out the police golden boy Rolfe has 12 incidents in a 7 yr career including a written reprimand for “a use of force incident involving a firearm” in 2017.

Brosnan, the more professional one, yet to have anything in his record over 2 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-of ... 41?mod=mhp

Just like I said, his whole attitude was wrong when he showed up when you contrast him to the first officer. He had no respect for the guy and it was patently obvious. As for sleeping behind he wheel drunk, a guy in town that owned a oil company was caught drunk driving twice in one week. The second time, he passed out and had burned all the rubber off his tires when he was stuck on a rock when the cops showed up.

Brooks was asleep in a parked car. He was passed out behind the wheel in a moving line, blocking traffic.

Rolfe had 4 citizen complaints, all dismissed, in 7 years. He was DUI qualified, assigned that duty & on call to process suspected DUI cases. He was commended for his performance in that role. He was completely professional when processing Brooks & kept the situation from escalating.
Even Bill Bratton (MSNBC -- 11th Hour) complimented the way he handled the encounter up until the point when Brooks resisted & assaulted the officers.

Rolfe was fired and lost his job. Enough said. He was complimented until he shot a drunk guy in the back.

A violent drunken fugitive, who overcame 2 cops, took their weapon & was fleeing into a residential neighborhood.

A taser's non lethal in the hands of a trained user who knows how & where to use it. You notice they threatened to tase Brooks in the leg.
A taser can be a lethal weapon, depending on where it is applied. It can certainly disable a pursuing cop so his gun can be taken.

Fired by a crybaby Mayor, who fears the mob, who preferred letting a violent, armed blackout drunk driver go free, & wants BLM support to be Biden's VP pick.

Where are your crocodile tears for these guys?