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Gobigred wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:22 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:13 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:25 pm

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:43 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:02 am No UVA because they haven't played yet. Read what the Ranking is (below). Just a barometer of who has done what after playing one game.

Yes, we all know that. But doing what you did begs one to ask the question: Who cares?

Why? Your ranking is of no interest after one day of the season.

I do.

Me, too.

DocBarrister

Why am I not surprised?

Lindenwood should be relegated back to d2 after their performance. Troll behavior putting them in top 25, i dont care what your metrics are

- The Chosen1

chosen1lax wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:52 am

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:22 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:13 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:25 pm

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:43 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:02 am No UVA because they haven't played yet. Read what the Ranking is (below). Just a barometer of who has done what after playing one game.

Yes, we all know that. But doing what you did begs one to ask the question: Who cares?

Why? Your ranking is of no interest after one day of the season.

I do.

Me, too.

DocBarrister

Why am I not surprised?

Lindenwood should be relegated back to d2 after their performance. Troll behavior putting them in top 25, i dont care what your metrics are

- The Chosen1

no one asked you.

chosen1lax wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:52 am

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:22 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:13 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:25 pm

Gobigred wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:43 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 12:02 am No UVA because they haven't played yet. Read what the Ranking is (below). Just a barometer of who has done what after playing one game.

Yes, we all know that. But doing what you did begs one to ask the question: Who cares?

Why? Your ranking is of no interest after one day of the season.

I do.

Me, too.

DocBarrister

Why am I not surprised?

Lindenwood should be relegated back to d2 after their performance. Troll behavior putting them in top 25, i dont care what your metrics are

- The Chosen1

I do.

It's a bit humorous watching posters get all twisted up about an explicitly mathematical and quite temporary ranking, confusing such with a subjective prediction of outcome of an entire season yet to be played.

They are obviously not the same...and have totally different purposes.

We have repeatedly discussed, throughout each season, the inherent advantages and disadvantages of mathematically based rankings (and sometimes tournament selections) versus "eye-test" subjective assessments, or some hybrid methodology that is even less transparent.

I don't know for sure what Matnum's intent was with this thread, but seems to me he's kicking off those discussions early, with an ongoing opportunity to update these 'rankings' as more and more games get played and the season develops.

Here's a 'prediction': They'll change...a lot.

chosen1lax wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:52 am ...Troll behavior putting them in top 25, i dont care what your metrics are...

Only 24 teams have played thus far. *Every* team that's played thus far will be in the Top 24/25. That's not troll behavior...

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:55 am

chosen1lax wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:52 am ...Troll behavior putting them in top 25, i dont care what your metrics are...

Only 24 teams have played thus far. *Every* team that's played thus far will be in the Top 24/25. That's not troll behavior...

only thing i'd suggest is a thread title edit -- like adding "the matnum poll".

Not a good opening week for the 'newblood' teams. The dinosaurs aren't just going to roll over, are they?

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

The text of a cable sent by Mark Twain from London to the press in the United States after his obituary had been mistakenly published.

Merrimack>Hofstra however.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:51 am It's a bit humorous watching posters get all twisted up... Here's a 'prediction': They'll change...a lot.

First, yes, they will change a lot. With that said...

I love this ranking. That there are people who are so bent out of shape about it, to each their own. For some, they hate anything but an eye test. (And, FWIW, the eye tests tend to be extraordinarily similar, across the board.) For others, I can say with surety, they don't understand the rankings. Either way, I love it. I'm not sure when, 5 years ago, might be more, seven, whatever, I started playing with creating a ranking system that made sense to me. Did it all on Excel. My furst system was, If A beats B and B beats C, the ranking should be A, B, C. Then, if C beats A, it should be a three way tie of ABC. (I don't like scores being a factor in rankings. Just Ws and Ls. That's a different discussion.) Anyway, for years, I played with different logic patterns and... it was fun for me. Again, to each their own. Eventually I created a system that I liked and. more than this, it made sense. It was fair. (I think it's safe to say, an eye test is not "fair".) So I replaced the Excel spreadsheet with a digital back-end system and... That's where I am today. I have a more detailed description here but the gist of the system, once teams piece together more games (MD, as you spoke to), is that teams are judged based on their 3 Best Wins and 3 Worst Losses. There are million questions like, Why 3? How are Best ranked? How...? etc. but that's the gist. You can see more by looking at the link created previously. Bottomline, this ranking is objective and, more importantly, at least to me, fair. Personally, I genuinely believe that all rankings should be based on this system. Obviously I'm prejudiced because I built this stupid thing but... I built it slowly over many years with lots of thought and my thinking was not superficial nor was it with an agenda and... Whatever, I love this ranking. As you're saying, after one game, the rankings are substantially less meaningful than after 5, 6 or whatever games but, whatever. After 1 game, it's still meaningful. It shows, after one game, who has proven the most, who has proven the least. And, for the UVAs of the world, who has proven absolutely nothing.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:34 am only thing i'd suggest is a thread title edit -- like adding "the matnum poll".

My original thought was that this thread would be for all rankings but, thus far, I agree. It's been pretty me centered.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:47 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:34 am only thing i'd suggest is a thread title edit -- like adding "the matnum poll".

My original thought was that this thread would be for all rankings but, thus far, I agree. It's been pretty me centered.

haha. i was just thinking you'll want to keep updating it. and unless you want to update every poll that comes out as well...

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:34 am only thing i'd suggest is a thread title edit -- like adding "the matnum poll".

Bag that! Matnum at best types in the game scores. At best. I do the heavy lifting. This is the FanLax Computer Poll. Unbelievable...

Posting this... Just because...

bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:45 am Not a good opening week for the 'newblood' teams. The dinosaurs aren't just going to roll over, are they?

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

The text of a cable sent by Mark Twain from London to the press in the United States after his obituary had been mistakenly published.

Merrimack>Hofstra however.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

....and Holy Cross/Providence & Queens are also missing. Navy, at 2-0......is Numbah one

it IS ok to be unlazy.......BUT, fantasy

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:04 am Posting this... Just because...

I would think it's #1 MD, #2 Gtown, #3 UVA since MD had the most impressive win over a very good Richmond team that many including me thought would challenge MD. It's looking like no drop off from last season for the Terps.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:04 am Posting this... Just because...

Although,
pick your order,
but I’d say Quint has the correct 1-6, OSU with Myers will
challenge Rutgers for number two and is step ahead of the
other ACCs and Ivies.

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:04 am Posting this... Just because...

It's all fun and games this early, but Gtown has been a consensus top 5 for the last few years but has had, shall we say... unfortunate results in the Big Dance, so no, not #1 no way no how.

1945:

Despite the best that has been done by everyone... the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage,

US Lacrosse Magazine

1 Virginia
2 Maryland
3 Georgetown
4 Cornell
5 Princeton
6 Notre Dame
7 Duke
8 Yale
9  Penn
10 Rutgers
11 Ohio State
12 Denver
13 Brown
14 Delawarer
15 Harvard
16 Johns Hopkins
17 Boston U
18 North Carolina
19 Navy
20 Saint Joseph's

Also considered (alphabetical order): Army (0-0), Bryant (0-0), Jacksonville (0-1), Lehigh (0-0), Loyola (0-0), Stony Brook (0-0), Syracuse (1-0), Villanova (0-0)

bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:34 am Gtown has been a consensus top 5 for the last few years

Georgetown was only top five last year, for the first time in decades.

I also would not have them at #1, especially after seeing what Maryland did to Richmond last weekend. But it’s fun to see a different take on things once in a while, especially this early in season.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:32 am

bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:34 am Gtown has been a consensus top 5 for the last few years

Georgetown was only top five last year, for the first time in decades.

I also would not have them at #1, especially after seeing what Maryland did to Richmond last weekend.

But it’s fun to see a different take on things once in a while, especially this early in season.

And especially,
Terps in now year 4 of this run,
39 and 2, 0.951.

10stone5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:23 pm And especially,
Terps in now year 4 of this run,
39 and 2, 0.951.