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DMac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:55 pm Nope, fellas, no ands or ors. You're the final and determining vote on the board, you have to pick just one (unless we're going co-winners ala Thompson brothers). I haven't seen Scane or Ortega enough to make a call, just a little of Ortega and less of Scane. Of the players I've watched this year, North is the most unstoppable. Speed, quickness, stick, velocity and repertoire of shots, grit, toughness, competitive nature....she's got it all and is just tough as nails. Very impressive player, I'd sure want her on my team (and I think the selfish play just isn't so much anymore, she's a pretty darn good distributor too). So that's my unqualified call.
TBC

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:55 pm Nope, fellas, no ands or ors. You're the final and determining vote on the board, you have to pick just one (unless we're going co-winners ala Thompson brothers). I haven't seen Scane or Ortega enough to make a call, just a little of Ortega and less of Scane. Of the players I've watched this year, North is the most unstoppable. Speed, quickness, stick, velocity and repertoire of shots, grit, toughness, competitive nature....she's got it all and is just tough as nails. Very impressive player, I'd sure want her on my team (and I think the selfish play just isn't so much anymore, she's a pretty darn good distributor too). So that's my unqualified call.
TBC

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:55 pm the most unstoppable. Speed, quickness, stick, velocity and repertoire of shots, grit, toughness, competitive nature....she's got it all and is just tough as nails. Very impressive player, I'd sure want her on my team ... (she's a pretty darn good distributor too).

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:05 am No surprise here, but my vote and my money is on North. In a season with very little conference crossover, I think those top three attackers wind up looking very similar on paper. The key differentiators for North, I think, will be her highlight reel goals and her draw controls. As I mentioned the committee historically has really liked that. If they are all roughly even in points, I think the DCs will separate her. One wildcard to consider is that the Duke head coach is on the Tewy committee. There is zero chance she casts a vote for North to be in the top five. No disrespect whatsoever to Izzy, but she does not display the same physical dominance, creativity and explosiveness. Love the kid and love the Michigan backstory, but I would be interested if Cletus can produce links to two or three highlights that come close to equaling North’s. Also, given her shot percentage numbers, realistically Northwestern needs to win the national championship for Izzy to win the Tewaaraton. I am very hesitant to say anything negative about these talented and hard-working young women, and I am not trying to tear down one player to build up another.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:05 am No surprise here, but my vote and my money is on North. In a season with very little conference crossover, I think those top three attackers wind up looking very similar on paper. The key differentiators for North, I think, will be her highlight reel goals and her draw controls. As I mentioned the committee historically has really liked that. If they are all roughly even in points, I think the DCs will separate her. One wildcard to consider is that the Duke head coach is on the Tewy committee. There is zero chance she casts a vote for North to be in the top five. No disrespect whatsoever to Izzy, but she does not display the same physical dominance, creativity and explosiveness. Love the kid and love the Michigan backstory, but I would be interested if Cletus can produce links to two or three highlights that come close to equaling North’s. Also, given her shot percentage numbers, realistically Northwestern needs to win the national championship for Izzy to win the Tewaaraton. I am very hesitant to say anything negative about these talented and hard-working young women, and I am not trying to tear down one player to build up another.

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:56 pm The Tewaaraton Committee has never been one to choose flash. Kayla Treanor, even after becoming a DC specialist, still lost to Taylor Cummings 3 straight years. They have been breaking with tradition recently, though. Apuzzo was just the 2nd attacker to win in 13 years in 2018 and Taylor was the first goalie to win it all in 2019. There is also no dominant Cummings/Schwarzmann-like midfielder that I can think of off the top of my head playing this year.

This year, we also haven't been able to see some of these contenders match up against each other because of abbreviated or conference-only schedules. I agree with njbill, it's too early to tell, but if UNC wins it all, I think the Tewaaraton goes to a Tar Heel.

Laxallday wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:54 pm

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:56 pm The Tewaaraton Committee has never been one to choose flash. Kayla Treanor, even after becoming a DC specialist, still lost to Taylor Cummings 3 straight years. They have been breaking with tradition recently, though. Apuzzo was just the 2nd attacker to win in 13 years in 2018 and Taylor was the first goalie to win it all in 2019. There is also no dominant Cummings/Schwarzmann-like midfielder that I can think of off the top of my head playing this year.

This year, we also haven't been able to see some of these contenders match up against each other because of abbreviated or conference-only schedules. I agree with njbill, it's too early to tell, but if UNC wins it all, I think the Tewaaraton goes to a Tar Heel.

Agree on your idea but I'll go a little further. First, it is way too early and the current debates are fun but pointless. Here is my prediction. If the natty goes to UNC, NU, SU, BC or ND (please don't anyone suggest SB has a natty chance...cmon), then the Tewaaraton goes to Ortega/Hoeg combo/Moreno depending on who had better final four, Scane, Goldstock, Deeghan or North. That's it, that's all. You win the natty, somebody gets the T. Nobody is sufficiently separated from the others to win it as a consolation prize.

Laxallday wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:54 pm If the natty goes to UNC, NU, SU, BC or ND (please don't anyone suggest SB has a natty chance...cmon)

seacoaster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:14 pm

Laxallday wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:54 pm

wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:56 pm The Tewaaraton Committee has never been one to choose flash. Kayla Treanor, even after becoming a DC specialist, still lost to Taylor Cummings 3 straight years. They have been breaking with tradition recently, though. Apuzzo was just the 2nd attacker to win in 13 years in 2018 and Taylor was the first goalie to win it all in 2019. There is also no dominant Cummings/Schwarzmann-like midfielder that I can think of off the top of my head playing this year.

This year, we also haven't been able to see some of these contenders match up against each other because of abbreviated or conference-only schedules. I agree with njbill, it's too early to tell, but if UNC wins it all, I think the Tewaaraton goes to a Tar Heel.

Agree on your idea but I'll go a little further. First, it is way too early and the current debates are fun but pointless. Here is my prediction. If the natty goes to UNC, NU, SU, BC or ND (please don't anyone suggest SB has a natty chance...cmon), then the Tewaaraton goes to Ortega/Hoeg combo/Moreno depending on who had better final four, Scane, Goldstock, Deeghan or North. That's it, that's all. You win the natty, somebody gets the T. Nobody is sufficiently separated from the others to win it as a consolation prize.

"Pointless," according to my spouse, is my specialty. And these notions about "it's too early" are the type of totally reasonable talk that a pointless bastard like me should -- really must -- ignore. So...Ortega or North should win this. As to Ortega, every game she faces the best conference competition in the country, gets the best defender put on her, is doubled and tripled, and still scores her four or five, while picking dirt and those little black rubber bits from turf fields out of her teeth. Absent a do-it-all midfielder like Schwartzman or Cummings, she's the winner, even if someone picks off UNC.

The same is pretty much true of CN. Only add draws.

And no, I'm not Mr. Ortega or Mr. North, or even a UNC fan (although I do like BC; I'm a Syracuse fan). And all of this assumes Ortega is not injured after yesterday's impact with the turf. How's that for pointless?

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:49 pm Below are the Tewaaraton stats beginning in 2005. Not sure if this will display correctly, but here goes. I think this shows some pretty clear tendencies, but you can draw your own conclusions. I really don't like the fact that this basically goes to a player on the #1 or #2 team in the country. That doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the award. That's not the way they do the Heisman or the men's Tewaaraton.

As a BC fan, that doesn't bother me much this year. The Eagles are white hot right now. Laxallday is entitled to his opinion, but to say BC has no chance at winning it all is not accurate. The natty is unlikely, given UNC's dominance, but far from impossible. BC has been in the finals in each of the last three tournaments. Their record is basically a carbon copy of #3 Cuse's and #2 NU is untested outside the B1G. Apuzzo won the Tewy playing on the runner-up BC team in 2018. That is a realistic path for the Eagles and North.

BTW, continued good wishes to Ortega for a speedy recovery. I just heard on a podcast that when asked what trait she hopes her teammates see in her, she said "kindness." Who doesn't want that kid as a daughter!?!?!?

laxagainsthumanity wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:44 pm FTR I am every bit as awed by Scane's and Ortega's highlights as I am with North's, and just as impressed by the 98% of their game that doesn't end up on the reel. Are they as social media friendly, maybe not, but they are by no means any less skilled. All three of them do things nobody else can. All three have many times been unstoppable. Plus, as has been alluded to, if the committee cared about flair, Treanor would have won the award over Cummings, probably multiple times. If North wins the Tewaaraton over these other two, it will be for her DCs, but IMO she's fighting an uphill battle to catch up with Ortega and to a lesser extent Scane, as North more recently elevated her game to earn consideration in this conversation. She would have to give the committee no excuse.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:15 pm

laxagainsthumanity wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:44 pm FTR I am every bit as awed by Scane's and Ortega's highlights as I am with North's, and just as impressed by the 98% of their game that doesn't end up on the reel. Are they as social media friendly, maybe not, but they are by no means any less skilled. All three of them do things nobody else can. All three have many times been unstoppable. Plus, as has been alluded to, if the committee cared about flair, Treanor would have won the award over Cummings, probably multiple times. If North wins the Tewaaraton over these other two, it will be for her DCs, but IMO she's fighting an uphill battle to catch up with Ortega and to a lesser extent Scane, as North more recently elevated her game to earn consideration in this conversation. She would have to give the committee no excuse.

Admittedly, I haven't followed UNC and NU as closely as BC, but I have seen a couple of complete games and lots of highlights/recaps. I posed this question to Cletus earlier and didn't get a response from a man who is a top 1% Googler and masterful curator of all things women's lacrosse. Can one of you post links of Scane and Ortega that show something like the jaw-dropping dodges and rocket shots of North? Not trying to be a wise guy. Sincerely interested in seeing them.