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rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:15 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

Goal differential in soccer.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:16 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:15 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

Goal differential in soccer.

Lol. This ain't Champions league

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:14 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Even with their wins and Brandau I don’t see how one can truly rank Yale having given up 43 goals in their last two games.

Cornell - 101 Goals For / 68 Goals Against / SOS 9
Princeton - 95 Goals For / 75 Goals Against / SOS 11
Dartmouth - 94 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 56
Brown - 92 Goals For / 87 Goals Against / SOS 27
Harvard - 95 Goals For / 97 Goals Against / SOS 17
Yale - 80 Goals For / 88 Goals Against / SOS 1 (Yale has played 6 games whereas the others have played 7)
Penn - 72 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 2

Cornell has been playing at a high level on both sides of the ball against good competition.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:04 am

ICGrad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:49 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top 10?!? They barely made my poll at all...

They have a top 10 RPI win over Villanova, a top 15 RPI win over Denver and a top 30 RPI (almost top 20) win over UMass. Two of their 3 losses are to top 10 RPI teams. My system is biased toward "big wins".

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:24 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:24 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:36 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:14 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Even with their wins and Brandau I don’t see how one can truly rank Yale having given up 43 goals in their last two games.

Cornell - 101 Goals For / 68 Goals Against / SOS 9
Princeton - 95 Goals For / 75 Goals Against / SOS 11
Dartmouth - 94 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 56
Brown - 92 Goals For / 87 Goals Against / SOS 27
Harvard - 95 Goals For / 97 Goals Against / SOS 17
Yale - 80 Goals For / 88 Goals Against / SOS 1 (Yale has played 6 games whereas the others have played 7)
Penn - 72 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 2

Cornell has been playing at a high level on both sides of the ball against good competition.

I see their schedule but 43 in two games, low mid double digits in others and the two 9s against offensively constrained Denver/Umass doesn’t look like they have any ability to stop a top 30 offense. Browns been playing without half their starters. Dart and Harvard can score. UPenn will put at least 13 on them. Even against the #1 SOS (today, that’ll come down in league play compared w ACC) 15/game is too much.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:57 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:36 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:14 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Even with their wins and Brandau I don’t see how one can truly rank Yale having given up 43 goals in their last two games.

Cornell - 101 Goals For / 68 Goals Against / SOS 9
Princeton - 95 Goals For / 75 Goals Against / SOS 11
Dartmouth - 94 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 56
Brown - 92 Goals For / 87 Goals Against / SOS 27
Harvard - 95 Goals For / 97 Goals Against / SOS 17
Yale - 80 Goals For / 88 Goals Against / SOS 1 (Yale has played 6 games whereas the others have played 7)
Penn - 72 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 2

Cornell has been playing at a high level on both sides of the ball against good competition.

I see their schedule but 43 in two games, low mid double digits in others and the two 9s against offensively constrained Denver/Umass doesn’t look like they have any ability to stop a top 30 offense. Browns been playing without half their starters. Dart and Harvard can score. UPenn will put at least 13 on them. Even against the #1 SOS (today, that’ll come down in league play compared w ACC) 15/game is too much.

I meant to footnote Brown. Yale hasn’t been playing good defense. Average almost 15 goals against per game. Strange. Defense slipped a little last year as well. Looking at the above, Penn’s offense isn’t where I expected and neither is Yale’s defense and I don’t believe it is all related to competition. I added SOS as a relative measure. Also, Princeton’s defense has played well enough, man down notwithstanding.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:50 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:24 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:22 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:13 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:11 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:06 am

rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:16 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:01 am What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

No, “real world”== on the field.

I can see an argument for ranking Yale in the top 20. Ranked in the top 10?!? No way.

DocBarrister