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[DocBarrister]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

[rolldodge]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

[DocBarrister]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

[rolldodge]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

[Typical Lax Dad]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

Goal differential in soccer.

EDIT: and horseshoes

[rolldodge]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

Goal differential in soccer.

Lol. This ain't Champions league

[Typical Lax Dad]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

Goal differential in soccer.

Lol. This ain't Champions league

Away goals!!

[DocBarrister]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

[rolldodge]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

[Farfromgeneva]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Even with their wins and Brandau I don’t see how one can truly rank Yale having given up 43 goals in their last two games.

Cornell - 101 Goals For / 68 Goals Against / SOS 9
Princeton - 95 Goals For / 75 Goals Against / SOS 11
Dartmouth - 94 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 56
Brown - 92 Goals For / 87 Goals Against / SOS 27
Harvard - 95 Goals For / 97 Goals Against / SOS 17
Yale - 80 Goals For / 88 Goals Against / SOS 1 (Yale has played 6 games whereas the others have played 7)
Penn - 72 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 2

Cornell has been playing at a high level on both sides of the ball against good competition.

I see their schedule but 43 in two games, low mid double digits in others and the two 9s against offensively constrained Denver/Umass doesn’t look like they have any ability to stop a top 30 offense. Browns been playing without half their starters. Dart and Harvard can score. UPenn will put at least 13 on them. Even against the #1 SOS (today, that’ll come down in league play compared w ACC) 15/game is too much.

[Farfromgeneva]

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top 10?!? They barely made my poll at all...

They have a top 10 RPI win over Villanova, a top 15 RPI win over Denver and a top 30 RPI (almost top 20) win over UMass. Two of their 3 losses are to top 10 RPI teams. My system is biased toward "big wins".

I don’t mind them being ranked given the win analysis but can’t ignore that D.

[Farfromgeneva]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

I mean I watched most of the Yale/Cornell game and it was pretty bad. Didn’t catch the PTon one but keeping tabs on it, it was clear it was over by halftime.

[molo]

Or to put it more simply: the eye test.

[DocBarrister]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

No, “real world”== on the field.

I can see an argument for ranking Yale in the top 20. Ranked in the top 10?!? No way.

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Even with their wins and Brandau I don’t see how one can truly rank Yale having given up 43 goals in their last two games.

Cornell - 101 Goals For / 68 Goals Against / SOS 9
Princeton - 95 Goals For / 75 Goals Against / SOS 11
Dartmouth - 94 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 56
Brown - 92 Goals For / 87 Goals Against / SOS 27
Harvard - 95 Goals For / 97 Goals Against / SOS 17
Yale - 80 Goals For / 88 Goals Against / SOS 1 (Yale has played 6 games whereas the others have played 7)
Penn - 72 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 2

Cornell has been playing at a high level on both sides of the ball against good competition.

I see their schedule but 43 in two games, low mid double digits in others and the two 9s against offensively constrained Denver/Umass doesn’t look like they have any ability to stop a top 30 offense. Browns been playing without half their starters. Dart and Harvard can score. UPenn will put at least 13 on them. Even against the #1 SOS (today, that’ll come down in league play compared w ACC) 15/game is too much.

I meant to footnote Brown. Yale hasn’t been playing good defense. Average almost 15 goals against per game. Strange. Defense slipped a little last year as well. Looking at the above, Penn’s offense isn’t where I expected and neither is Yale’s defense and I don’t believe it is all related to competition. I added SOS as a relative measure. Also, Princeton’s defense has played well enough, man down notwithstanding.

[Farfromgeneva]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Even with their wins and Brandau I don’t see how one can truly rank Yale having given up 43 goals in their last two games.

Cornell - 101 Goals For / 68 Goals Against / SOS 9
Princeton - 95 Goals For / 75 Goals Against / SOS 11
Dartmouth - 94 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 56
Brown - 92 Goals For / 87 Goals Against / SOS 27
Harvard - 95 Goals For / 97 Goals Against / SOS 17
Yale - 80 Goals For / 88 Goals Against / SOS 1 (Yale has played 6 games whereas the others have played 7)
Penn - 72 Goals For / 83 Goals Against / SOS 2

Cornell has been playing at a high level on both sides of the ball against good competition.

I see their schedule but 43 in two games, low mid double digits in others and the two 9s against offensively constrained Denver/Umass doesn’t look like they have any ability to stop a top 30 offense. Browns been playing without half their starters. Dart and Harvard can score. UPenn will put at least 13 on them. Even against the #1 SOS (today, that’ll come down in league play compared w ACC) 15/game is too much.

I meant to footnote Brown. Yale hasn’t been playing good defense. Average almost 15 goals against per game. Strange. Defense slipped a little last year as well. Looking at the above, Penn’s offense isn’t where I expected and neither is Yale’s defense and I don’t believe it is all related to competition. I added SOS as a relative measure. Also, Princeton’s defense has played well enough, man down notwithstanding.

I thought maybe Fake had become overrated after a great FR year but now I wonder what he was covering up last year.

[ICGrad]

In retrospect, I dropped Penn too far in this week's rankings. Oh well...

[Matnum PI]

[rolldodge]

What about Yale & Loyola?

Also curious about them. But P'ton's situation is more extreme.

Princeton sneaks into #25 on the strength of their win. Yale and Loyola holding on to the top 10 based on overall resume. Teams on the upswing like Denver and Gtown just don’t have the records to supplant them yet. Their hold is tenuous based on early season results, but the committee doesn’t take dates into account.

Yale in the top ten???

You can’t be serious.

Bad losses do matter, you know.

DocBarrister

"Bad losses" are to teams outside of the top 30. Margin of loss doesn't have any impact.

They do in the real world.

DocBarrister

Name one "real world" metric where margin of loss counts?

The I-watched-Yale-play-Cornell-and-Princeton-and-Yale-really-sucks-right-now “real world” metric.

DocBarrister

Ah, "real world" == inside your own mind. Unsurprising.

No, “real world”== on the field.

I can see an argument for ranking Yale in the top 20. Ranked in the top 10?!? No way.

DocBarrister

Margin of victory doesn't matter "on the field" either. You either win or lose. No one gets extra points for winning big. It doesn't effect tournament selection or seeding. I don't include margin of victory in my evaluation of teams because its a terrible judge of relative team strength (especially in lacrosse) and its nearly impossible to turn into a standard metric that approaches any semblance of objectivity.

[FanLax Computer]

Based on each team's 3 Best Wins and 3 Worst Losses in 2023...

1 Virginia
2 Notre Dame
3 Maryland
4 Duke
5 Cornell
6 Ohio State
7 Johns Hopkins
8 Penn State
9 Villanova
10 Loyola
11 Yale
12 Rutgers
13 Army
14 Penn
15 North Carolina
16 Jacksonville
17 Denver
18 Georgetown
19 Boston U
20 UMass
21 Dartmouth
22 Princeton
23 Syracuse
24 Lehigh
25 Michigan