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MIAAlaxluvr40 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:27 pm

The12lov3 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:02 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:44 am

Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 9:27 am

shorelax12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:25 am

The12lov3 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:02 pm While the important thing is the kids health, we should not rush to judgement without having ALL the facts which we dont know. Plenty of teams on all levels do grueling workouts and we dont hear of this and to have 12 players get this rare condition seems odd. Maybe i am wrong but seems like there is a piece of the puzzle that is missing here.

This was a quote from a Boston MD “"It's very unusual to see that many people being hospitalized all at once with this condition, particularly young men who are presumably very physically fit," said Dr. Shruti Gupta of Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

Something smells in Medford

I agree, based upon the quotes from the various medical professionals about the rarity of the condition, the number of players affected seems unusually high. I know that people have mentioned that alcohol intake could be a factor, but I am curious as to what other external factors can be considered. I definitely do not have the motivation to do a deep dive on the condition on a Saturday morning, but I suspect that somebody on this forum has a medical background.

would not be surprised if those players had taken some substance. this is why the NCAA will be (or already is) investigating this event. i have seen more minor infractions happen that have caused teams to suffer penalties that get in the way of championships.

Alluded to this last evening. Pray that the players recover and the team is not impacted moving forward...any word on how they are doing?

Asked a Board Certified Cardiologist this morning about this....he suggested based on the numbers they should be testing for 'other' precursors. A quick search.....

https://www.ijcasereportsandimages.com/ ... 20%5B10%5D.

A number of recreational drugs commonly abused including benzodiazepines, ecstasy, heroin, ketamine hydrochloride, marijuana, lysergic acid diethylamide, methamphetamine, narcotics, phencyclidine, ethanol and cocaine have been associated with drug-induced acute rhabdomyolysis [10].

Homecoming is a boozefest from Friday night to Sunday morning at Tufts. Put an intense workout in after that when kids are already dehydrated is a recipe for disaster. They have been doing these type of workouts since the DJ Hessler days and there have never been an issue like this and then suddenly it happens not to one but to 12 kids. Listen i am not condoning what happened and it needs to be evaluated. Somethibg needs to change. The question remains was there any wrongdoing here. Intense workouts does not equate to wrongdoing. As a parent and i have 3 that is the question i would be asking. Seems like the MDs that been interviewed are saying the same thing

As for the culture that they have created - these young men over the years have learned that hard work, dedication, and teamwork pays off. Nothing wrong with that.

A culture where you have an alum force players through a workout past puking and passing out does not sound like one I would send my kid to. There are other ways that plenty of programs display hard work, dedication, and teamwork without these incidents. Hope the players are healthy soon but to say it’s a fluke and sweep it under the rug is part of the problem with student athletes mental health now.

I highly doubt this will be just swept under the rug. But can we find a solution on the spectrum between sweeping it under the rug and firing everyone associated? I just have a hard time with firing everyone immediately being the solution everyone goes to. Not just in this situation but life in general.

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A culture where you have an alum force players through a workout past puking and passing out does not sound like one I would send my kid to. There are other ways that plenty of programs display hard work, dedication, and teamwork without these incidents. Hope the players are healthy soon but to say it’s a fluke and sweep it under the rug is part of the problem with student athletes mental health now.
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I forgot the Navy Seal put a gun to there head and forced them todo it and if they stopped he pistol whip the players. Were you there? If not, then you should nit use word like force etc. i have seen kids puke in all different sports from working out. Happen all the time in Football.

I am not condoning what happens Clearly something needs to change but please wait for all the facts to come out.

Laxpundit07 - i agree with you. Somethibg needs to change. No one in my mind should be fired unless there is wrongdoing. However, they do need to change thr intensity of the workouts to avoid things like this in the future.

If memory serves, Scotty Rodgers (meathead UND goalie) was hospitalized for rhabdo. Never really returned to form. It's not just their short term health. Some of these kids won't be able to exercise for months.

There is a guy out there named Tony Holler, he has been pioneering a concept he deemed "Feed the Cats." Exhaustion is not the goal, but the enemy. Some really cool stuff. Worth a google.

Just a reminder…it’s only September! What could they think would be accomplished by having such rigorous training? Whoever is dumb enough to approve this should lose their job. Lawsuits will be coming soon.

laxdad1434 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:33 pm Just a reminder…it’s only September! What could they think would be accomplished by having such rigorous training? Whoever is dumb enough to approve this should lose their job. Lawsuits will be coming soon.

Wait, what’d I miss?

choochooCharlie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:35 pm

laxdad1434 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:33 pm Just a reminder…it’s only September! What could they think would be accomplished by having such rigorous training? Whoever is dumb enough to approve this should lose their job. Lawsuits will be coming soon.

Wait, what’d I miss?

I guess the Natty went to their heads and thought their kids were invincible. Obviously $$ doesn’t make you smart.

Seriously, I hope the kids are ok.

This wasn't some off-campus party. This was a lacrosse-sanctioned event. It also had nothing to do with training or conditioning. Those things happen over time with proper supervision. The HC needs to be held accountable. No parent signed their son up for this. We all need to pray for the players and families.

Some of these Tufts players could have gone D1 but didn’t want the year round grind of lacrosse so they chose a D3 option that would allow them a more typical college experience.

I wonder if any of them are thinking “why am I puking for lacrosse in September at Tufts?”

But let’s move on: has anyone seen the cool, color coordinated shoes the coach is wearing?

The12lov3 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:02 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:44 am

Laxattackjack wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 9:27 am

shorelax12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:25 am

The12lov3 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:02 pm While the important thing is the kids health, we should not rush to judgement without having ALL the facts which we dont know. Plenty of teams on all levels do grueling workouts and we dont hear of this and to have 12 players get this rare condition seems odd. Maybe i am wrong but seems like there is a piece of the puzzle that is missing here.

This was a quote from a Boston MD “"It's very unusual to see that many people being hospitalized all at once with this condition, particularly young men who are presumably very physically fit," said Dr. Shruti Gupta of Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

Something smells in Medford

I agree, based upon the quotes from the various medical professionals about the rarity of the condition, the number of players affected seems unusually high. I know that people have mentioned that alcohol intake could be a factor, but I am curious as to what other external factors can be considered. I definitely do not have the motivation to do a deep dive on the condition on a Saturday morning, but I suspect that somebody on this forum has a medical background.

would not be surprised if those players had taken some substance. this is why the NCAA will be (or already is) investigating this event. i have seen more minor infractions happen that have caused teams to suffer penalties that get in the way of championships.

Alluded to this last evening. Pray that the players recover and the team is not impacted moving forward...any word on how they are doing?

Asked a Board Certified Cardiologist this morning about this....he suggested based on the numbers they should be testing for 'other' precursors. A quick search.....

https://www.ijcasereportsandimages.com/ ... 20%5B10%5D.

A number of recreational drugs commonly abused including benzodiazepines, ecstasy, heroin, ketamine hydrochloride, marijuana, lysergic acid diethylamide, methamphetamine, narcotics, phencyclidine, ethanol and cocaine have been associated with drug-induced acute rhabdomyolysis [10].

Homecoming is a boozefest from Friday night to Sunday morning at Tufts. Put an intense workout in after that when kids are already dehydrated is a recipe for disaster. They have been doing these type of workouts since the DJ Hessler days and there have never been an issue like this and then suddenly it happens not to one but to 12 kids. Listen i am not condoning what happened and it needs to be evaluated. Somethibg needs to change. The question remains was there any wrongdoing here. Intense workouts does not equate to wrongdoing. As a parent and i have 3 that is the question i would be asking. Seems like the MDs that been interviewed are saying the same thing

As for the culture that they have created - these young men over the years have learned that hard work, dedication, and teamwork pays off. Nothing wrong with that.

12lov3 - Clear you are an advocate of Tufts Men’s Lax in general and project a subtle feeling of “this is wrong -kinda!”. Although writing takes away some of the emotions - you appear to be playing both sides of the coin / Was there any wrongdoing? As Randy Moss chirps on Sundays “c’mon man!”

Early on yesterday after early release of story yesterday on several national media sources - you asked the readers to await the release of more facts - there’s only one set of facts that matters “SEAL lead work out - 12 players go to hospital” which was available immediately ….there is a huge difference between the “hard work and dedication” you embrace and having some amazingly well trained yet an overzealous nut job with burgeoning alumni pride “show these boys what the most elite of elite” are doing to prepare to defend our country! That’s right SEAL’s defend the country - Tufts Men’s Lax Fall Ball practice preparing young men to defend…..a D3 title as well as a conference title in March / April / May 2025. And actually families send their sons and daughters there not to “win it all” - but to see them leave with a sound mind and body ready to make a difference in the world.

My sense from watching and experiencing college crisis unfold over the years is “you don’t want any more facts” as the fact set you seek may reveal other factors that paint the program in a more negative light than it is currently. Regardless of the roles teams still engage in a bit of “social team bonding”

As for the clueless wonders that mildly suggest this is being a touch overblown by the media - see Randy Moss quip above!

Yes - all eyes on and thoughts rooting for the young men to recover and resume normal academic and physical activity - but as a parent who’s seen the college athletic landscape up front - the lawyers would already be drafting paperwork - and not just from those families whose boys were taken to the hospital!
Whole incident is completely incomprehensible !

If it turns out the young men were given full explanation of what awaited them and had an oppty to digest the upcoming torturous work out well in advance - perhaps there is a crack in my outrage!

Coach - gone!, Assistant who allegedly was present - Gone! Team has been and will be impacted!

Maryland football is a recent example of rediculous workouts gone very very bad! Many Years ago I vaguely remember Petro had his kids run what amounted to a preseason which resulted in some injuries and lead to an uneven season ….(which ultimately didn’t matter come tourney selection time as they always got in back then regardless of record- but I digress)

Backlax wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:58 pm This wasn't some off-campus party. This was a lacrosse-sanctioned event. It also had nothing to do with training or conditioning. Those things happen over time with proper supervision. The HC needs to be held accountable. No parent signed their son up for this. We all need to pray for the players and families.

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This.

Backlax wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:58 pm This wasn't some off-campus party. This was a lacrosse-sanctioned event. It also had nothing to do with training or conditioning. Those things happen over time with proper supervision. The HC needs to be held accountable. No parent signed their son up for this. We all need to pray for the players and families.

The wrong doing that the Tufts supporters here are pretending isn’t plain as day is the violation of conference rules around Fall Ball and *voluntary* activities. Additionally, as many have mentioned, this is a legal nightmare for the school. If the dehydration was due to alcohol, then who supplied it to the underage team members? Where were they when it was consumed? Did they feel obligated, or dare I say coerced, to take part in this training against their better judgement through actual or implied team ramifications? How about the same question for the original consumption of the alcohol, was there pressure involved? Are high intensity guided practices on school property with team personnel present common in the Fall for Tufts? What other “voluntary” Fall activities have gone on over the years that were in the realm of violating conference rules?

When an individual is so clearly obsessed with having everyone to look at him, sometimes he flies too close to the proverbial sun. God willing these kids will be fine, and when the dust settles and their parents (and University directors) start with the real pointed questions, kids will RIGHTLY spill it all to save their own hide (and future).

I hope this incident forces some of these coaches to reevaluate their expectations for athletes at this level. This isn’t the Navy SEAL, Alabama football, or even Maryland lacrosse. There may be some things athletes do that won’t exactly help them on the field but again it’s D3. Hope all the athletes both physically and mentally recover from this event. Once that is all ok, then I think we can start pointing fingers on who is responsible (probably won’t be head coach due to rules).

MIAAlaxluvr40 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:51 pm Once that is all ok, then I think we can start pointing fingers on who is responsible (probably won’t be head coach due to rules).

Yep. First rule of being a scumbag is always have someone to take the fall for you. But we all know who researched this “training program,” watched videos of what it entails, called them up and booked them. Not some assistant fall guy. And I guaran-damn-tee you there was a videographer on site to capture all the toughness and raw masculinity that was being injected into the team for the next hype video. (Who do you think would’ve been the main character in that video too? The fall guy? Ha not likely). That footage will be good evidence in civil court.

Gorilla Fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:59 pm https://x.com/boston25/status/1837200353000894899?s=46

As veteran, infantryman, paratrooper, etc., I would NEVER put a team through an extreme workout like that. That is the kind of thing you do at Ranger school, not what you do with a lacrosse team. A football coach would get fired for this kind of thing. What a horrible lapse in judgement by the HC; it's likely to cost him his job.

Has anyone found out what the players 'actually' did in that (reported, not confirmed) 45 minute workout?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:47 pm Has anyone found out what the players 'actually' did in that (reported, not confirmed) 45 minute workout?

My inside sources are saying the workout consisted of 45 mins of continuous physical activity past the point of exhaustion. So, was it as heinous as some probably think? No, but I am unsure if letting an untrained recent alum power trip on 18-22 year olds to prove a point is a smart move by the coaching staff.

MIAAlaxluvr40 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:53 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:47 pm Has anyone found out what the players 'actually' did in that (reported, not confirmed) 45 minute workout?

My inside sources are saying the workout consisted of 45 mins of continuous physical activity past the point of exhaustion. So, was it as heinous as some probably think? No, but I am unsure if letting an untrained recent alum power trip on 18-22 year olds to prove a point is a smart move by the coaching staff.

Thanks. Typically, and I’d assume in this case as well, most of the staff would be present for team conditioning/practices….including the S&C coach and AT.

choochooCharlie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:46 pm This.

Backlax wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:58 pm This wasn't some off-campus party. This was a lacrosse-sanctioned event. It also had nothing to do with training or conditioning. Those things happen over time with proper supervision. The HC needs to be held accountable. No parent signed their son up for this. We all need to pray for the players and families.

The wrong doing that the Tufts supporters here are pretending isn’t plain as day is the violation of conference rules around Fall Ball and *voluntary* activities. Additionally, as many have mentioned, this is a legal nightmare for the school. If the dehydration was due to alcohol, then who supplied it to the underage team members? Where were they when it was consumed? Did they feel obligated, or dare I say coerced, to take part in this training against their better judgement through actual or implied team ramifications? How about the same question for the original consumption of the alcohol, was there pressure involved? Are high intensity guided practices on school property with team personnel present common in the Fall for Tufts? What other “voluntary” Fall activities have gone on over the years that were in the realm of violating conference rules?

When an individual is so clearly obsessed with having everyone to look at him, sometimes he flies too close to the proverbial sun. God willing these kids will be fine, and when the dust settles and their parents (and University directors) start with the real pointed questions, kids will RIGHTLY spill it all to save their own hide (and future).

+1

TopperLax82 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:45 pm

Gorilla Fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:59 pm https://x.com/boston25/status/1837200353000894899?s=46

As veteran, infantryman, paratrooper, etc., I would NEVER put a team through an extreme workout like that. That is the kind of thing you do at Ranger school, not what you do with a lacrosse team. A football coach would get fired for this kind of thing. What a horrible lapse in judgement by the HC; it's likely to cost him his job.

+1