All Things Russia & Ukraine

[MDlaxfan76]

We have numerous times rebutted your thesis.

Pretty simple really. Putin knew that Trump was on his (Putin) desired path of crippling NATO, perhaps permanently. He also knew that Trump was intent n helping him reverse the democratic and pro-western aspirations of Ukraine, including undermining Zelensky

So, Putin’s publicly stated aspirations for a return to Russian hegemonic expansion ala Soviet Union were well on path to achievement on the cheap. Ukraine then Baltics and Poland on the barrel.

No need to do a massive invasion as long as Trump was doing the work for him.

But yeah, tremendous miscalculation by the “genius “ of Moscow in thinking that Ukraine could be taken with a blitzkrieg style and that Europe and the US would dither. Almost got a way with it, but US intelligence and Biden blew the whistle on the upcoming invasion and then rallied the West to resist. NATO is now at its apex strength relative to Russia. And the Russian military has been shown to be ineffective and poorly trained and led.

But hey, Trump is back, lying at every turn on behalf of Putin, and poised to break NATO.

And Salty cheers it on.

I'm cheering for Trump (& Vance & Gabbard) to thwart the neo-con warmongers like you from getting us into a WW-III, staring in Europe, with the likelihood of the use of tac nuke weapons. THAT would break the paper alliance that NATO has become since the end of the Cold War. NATO's EUro contingent still struggles just to deploy a 6,000 troop "Rapid" Reaction Force to the E Front. They can't even do that without the Brits. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_221565.htm
We are no longer capable of both garrisoning EUrope & meeting our commitments to our allies in the Asia-Pacific region, let alone the ME. All where we have more pressing vital interests that protecting the freeriding EU.

Let’s see, the last two world wars were due to ultra nationalism and great power divisions, isolationism, nationalist trade wars, plus appeasement of an aggressor great power.

They haven’t occurred since then because of strong international commitments and military strength facing aggression.

I’ll stick with the latter.

Consistent international commitment and overwhelming military capacities deter aggression and whether we like it or not we need to sometimes demonstrate our resolve.

I’m thankful for the reality that American leadership is made possible by the strength of of our systems, both political and economic.

Trump MAGA America First isolationism and nationalism threatens to destroy those systems and leadership influence.

That’s what you are rooting for.

[MDlaxfan76]

We have numerous times rebutted your thesis.

Pretty simple really. Putin knew that Trump was on his (Putin) desired path of crippling NATO, perhaps permanently. He also knew that Trump was intent n helping him reverse the democratic and pro-western aspirations of Ukraine, including undermining Zelensky

So, Putin’s publicly stated aspirations for a return to Russian hegemonic expansion ala Soviet Union were well on path to achievement on the cheap. Ukraine then Baltics and Poland on the barrel.

No need to do a massive invasion as long as Trump was doing the work for him.

But yeah, tremendous miscalculation by the “genius “ of Moscow in thinking that Ukraine could be taken with a blitzkrieg style and that Europe and the US would dither. Almost got a way with it, but US intelligence and Biden blew the whistle on the upcoming invasion and then rallied the West to resist. NATO is now at its apex strength relative to Russia. And the Russian military has been shown to be ineffective and poorly trained and led.

But hey, Trump is back, lying at every turn on behalf of Putin, and poised to break NATO.

And Salty cheers it on.

I'm cheering for Trump

Fixed it. The rest is superfluous, IMHO with all due respect.

I hate saying this, but the logic is pretty consistent that we should not stand up to white Christian nationalists, indeed we should see them as natural allies against the yellow and brown peoples and religions.

Not against authoritarianism in various forms, but against yellow and brown, unless appropriately subservient.

[a fan]

We have numerous times rebutted your thesis.

Pretty simple really. Putin knew that Trump was on his (Putin) desired path of crippling NATO, perhaps permanently. He also knew that Trump was intent n helping him reverse the democratic and pro-western aspirations of Ukraine, including undermining Zelensky

So, Putin’s publicly stated aspirations for a return to Russian hegemonic expansion ala Soviet Union were well on path to achievement on the cheap. Ukraine then Baltics and Poland on the barrel.

No need to do a massive invasion as long as Trump was doing the work for him.

But yeah, tremendous miscalculation by the “genius “ of Moscow in thinking that Ukraine could be taken with a blitzkrieg style and that Europe and the US would dither. Almost got a way with it, but US intelligence and Biden blew the whistle on the upcoming invasion and then rallied the West to resist. NATO is now at its apex strength relative to Russia. And the Russian military has been shown to be ineffective and poorly trained and led.

But hey, Trump is back, lying at every turn on behalf of Putin, and poised to break NATO.

And Salty cheers it on.

I'm cheering for Trump

Fixed it. The rest is superfluous, IMHO with all due respect.

Respect doesn't work with him. He thinks he deserves it, and the rest of us don't.

And you're 100% right: when Trump arms Ukraine, it's awesome, and when Biden does it, he's a war monger.

He laughably thinks he's making sense with this utter nonsense. My 9 year old makes more logical sense.

[old salt]

We have numerous times rebutted your thesis.

Pretty simple really. Putin knew that Trump was on his (Putin) desired path of crippling NATO, perhaps permanently. He also knew that Trump was intent n helping him reverse the democratic and pro-western aspirations of Ukraine, including undermining Zelensky

So, Putin’s publicly stated aspirations for a return to Russian hegemonic expansion ala Soviet Union were well on path to achievement on the cheap. Ukraine then Baltics and Poland on the barrel.

No need to do a massive invasion as long as Trump was doing the work for him.

But yeah, tremendous miscalculation by the “genius “ of Moscow in thinking that Ukraine could be taken with a blitzkrieg style and that Europe and the US would dither. Almost got a way with it, but US intelligence and Biden blew the whistle on the upcoming invasion and then rallied the West to resist. NATO is now at its apex strength relative to Russia. And the Russian military has been shown to be ineffective and poorly trained and led.

But hey, Trump is back, lying at every turn on behalf of Putin, and poised to break NATO.

And Salty cheers it on.

I'm cheering for Trump (& Vance & Gabbard) to thwart the neo-con warmongers like you from getting us into a WW-III,

You CHEERED Trump when he armed Ukraine.

Now you're here telling us that if Biden does it, he's doing it wrong.

You can't make it five minutes without lying. No matter what a D does, it's wrong. It's just sad that you're trying to hide your BS.

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse. Biden's given Ukraine enough aid to not lose but not enough to win & take back lost territory. Just look at the results. They speak for themselves.

[a fan]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

[old salt]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.
Putin did not invade when Trump was President. He invaded when Obama & Biden were President.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.
Putin did not invade when Trump was President. He invaded when Obama & Biden were President.

Putin was afraid of Trump

[a fan]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

[old salt]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

[a fan]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

You ripped Obama for not helping Ukraine militarily. You ripped Biden because he DID help Ukraine militarily.

You can't keep your own BS straight. You've been caught doing this over and over and over. You're fooling no one trying to act like you're calling balls and strikes. No matter what the Dems do, you tell us it's wrong. No amount of dancing fixes this. You're caught.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Just need to stick this in here:

Our nation has been spending vast amounts of money and time preparing to do a land battle with USSR/Russia since before I was born.
So has the USSR/Russia. Just the other way around.

We both stopped building East v West stuff 30 years ago. But we had built a shitload of it. So did they. And now in the age of drones and EW modules, all of this old stuff is worthless. OK. Maybe just “Elderly”.

So we either pay to dispose of this stuff so we don’t have to maintain it, or give it to the Ukrainians, who are fighting the war we built all of this stuff for!

Let them (not us) bleed! Let them bleed out the military that I have feared for my whole life.

Without losing a single US soldier, to boot! How can I object to this?

All We do is enforce a sanction regime that keeps Russia from converting their rich natural resources into western tech to support their war machine. We’ll use our space and cyber assets to keep tiny Ukraine Intel a step or two ahead of Russian Intel
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Our goal is to keep Russia from winning, but also to keep Ukraine from winning because an embarrassed nuclear Russia is a YUGE problem. So we give Ukraine JUST enough to peck at the Russian ego a bit. Ya know?

Problem is, Ukraine wants their old borders back.

[old salt]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

You ripped Obama for not helping Ukraine militarily. You ripped Biden because he DID help Ukraine militarily.

You can't keep your own BS straight. You've been caught doing this over and over and over. You're fooling no one trying to act like you're calling balls and strikes. No matter what the Dems do, you tell us it's wrong. No amount of dancing fixes this. You're caught.

You can't keep your BS straight.

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily. I ripped him for interfering in Ukrainian internal affairs, fomenting the Maidan Revolution & regime change.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (long before the invasion), I pointed out that Obama had provided no lethal military aid. I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it, & encouraged an ill conceived offensive against hardened Russian defenses which was doomed to fail without air support & long range fires, which he refused to provide.

[OCanada]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

You ripped Obama for not helping Ukraine militarily. You ripped Biden because he DID help Ukraine militarily.

You can't keep your own BS straight. You've been caught doing this over and over and over. You're fooling no one trying to act like you're calling balls and strikes. No matter what the Dems do, you tell us it's wrong. No amount of dancing fixes this. You're caught.

You can't keep your BS straight.

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily. I ripped him for interfering in Ukrainian internal affairs, fomenting the Maidan Revolution & regime change.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (long before the invasion), I pointed out that Obama had provided no lethal military aid. I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it, & encouraged an ill conceived offensive against hardened Russian defenses which was doomed to fail without air support & long range fires, which he refused to provide.

You are more concerned with US meddling in intrtnsl affairs than you are with Russian, Chinese, Egyptian, Israeli, Hungarian in our internal affairs?

The Maidan Revolution clashes between protesters and state forces in Kyiv resulted in ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, the return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and the outbreak of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War. That one? Wasn’t Viktor a Russian asset? He was endorsed by Putin, did not speak Ukranian and wanted vlode ties with Russia

[a fan]

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily.

Yeah. Ya did. And mocked his sanctions repeatedly.

You can't squirm out of this: no matter what a Dem does, you tell us it's wrong. All that military education is useless when it comes to discussing issues because of your seething hate of a stupid letter in the alphabet.

Let me tell you what's coming for the next five years, and spare you the need to post:

No matter what Biden does in Ukraine, you'll tell us it's wrong.

And when Trump takes office, no matter what he does with Ukraine (or anything else overseas), you'll tell us he's right.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (

Right.
He was impeached for telling Z to announce a fake investigation into the Bidens, my revisionist toddler friend.

And you don't care about this blatant corruption because of the magic R, and will vote Trump into office again in November.

I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it,

But you "forgot" to rip Trump for not providing enough aid to protect Ukraine from invasion, and turning Ukraine into the porcupine you insist is such a great idea. Wait, wait, let me guess....."that's different"

No matter what, Trump is awesome, and Biden is bad. Toddler logic. Waste of time.

[old salt]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

You ripped Obama for not helping Ukraine militarily. You ripped Biden because he DID help Ukraine militarily.

You can't keep your own BS straight. You've been caught doing this over and over and over. You're fooling no one trying to act like you're calling balls and strikes. No matter what the Dems do, you tell us it's wrong. No amount of dancing fixes this. You're caught.

You can't keep your BS straight.

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily. I ripped him for interfering in Ukrainian internal affairs, fomenting the Maidan Revolution & regime change.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (long before the invasion), I pointed out that Obama had provided no lethal military aid. I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it, & encouraged an ill conceived offensive against hardened Russian defenses which was doomed to fail without air support & long range fires, which he refused to provide.

You are more concerned with US meddling in intrtnsl affairs than you are with Russian, Chinese, Egyptian, Israeli, Hungarian in our internal affairs?

The Maidan Revolution clashes between protesters and state forces in Kyiv resulted in ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, the return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and the outbreak of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War. That one? Wasn’t Viktor a Russian asset? He was endorsed by Putin, did not speak Ukranian and wanted vlode ties with Russia

Correct. WE call out Russian meddling in our elections. Sanction & prosecute them. We actively participated in the overthrown of the legally recognized Government of Ukraine, & handed out sandwiches to the revolutionaries. Ukraine was supposed to be a bi-lingual country. For most of it's history it was a province of Russia & an integral part of Russia.

[old salt]

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily.

Yeah. Ya did. And mocked his sanctions repeatedly.

You can't squirm out of this: no matter what a Dem does, you tell us it's wrong. All that military education is useless when it comes to discussing issues because of your seething hate of a stupid letter in the alphabet.

Let me tell you what's coming for the next five years, and spare you the need to post:

No matter what Biden does in Ukraine, you'll tell us it's wrong.

And when Trump takes office, no matter what he does with Ukraine (or anything else overseas), you'll tell us he's right.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (

Right.
He was impeached for telling Z to announce a fake investigation into the Bidens, my revisionist toddler friend.

And you don't care about this blatant corruption because of the magic R, and will vote Trump into office again in November.

I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it,

But you "forgot" to rip Trump for not providing enough aid to protect Ukraine from invasion, and turning Ukraine into the porcupine you insist is such a great idea. Wait, wait, let me guess....."that's different"

No matter what, Trump is awesome, and Biden is bad. Toddler logic. Waste of time.

I pointed out the fact that the sanctions were ineffective in deterring Putin. I did not call for more aid.
I agreed with Trump's attempt to get the EU to sanction Russian more & to boycott Russian energy, which would have been more effective than US economic sanctions.

The blatant corruption was by the Bidens in Ukraine.
Trump was trying to get evidence about Ukraine's attempts to interfere in our 2016 election, which have since come to light.
Ukraine gets a pass because it was anti-Trump.

[SCLaxAttack]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

You ripped Obama for not helping Ukraine militarily. You ripped Biden because he DID help Ukraine militarily.

You can't keep your own BS straight. You've been caught doing this over and over and over. You're fooling no one trying to act like you're calling balls and strikes. No matter what the Dems do, you tell us it's wrong. No amount of dancing fixes this. You're caught.

You can't keep your BS straight.

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily. I ripped him for interfering in Ukrainian internal affairs, fomenting the Maidan Revolution & regime change.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (long before the invasion), I pointed out that Obama had provided no lethal military aid. I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it, & encouraged an ill conceived offensive against hardened Russian defenses which was doomed to fail without air support & long range fires, which he refused to provide.

You are more concerned with US meddling in intrtnsl affairs than you are with Russian, Chinese, Egyptian, Israeli, Hungarian in our internal affairs?

The Maidan Revolution clashes between protesters and state forces in Kyiv resulted in ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, the return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and the outbreak of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War. That one? Wasn’t Viktor a Russian asset? He was endorsed by Putin, did not speak Ukranian and wanted vlode ties with Russia

Correct. WE call out Russian meddling in our elections. Sanction & prosecute them. We actively participated in the overthrown of the legally recognized Government of Ukraine, & handed out sandwiches to the revolutionaries. Ukraine was supposed to be a bi-lingual country. For most of it's history it was a province of Russia & an integral part of Russia.

Game. Set. Match. Surrender. Ukraine is rightfully Russia's.

Well, except history:

"During the Middle Ages, Ukraine was the site of early Slavic expansion and the area later became a key centre of East Slavic culture under the state of Kievan Rus', which emerged in the 9th century. The state eventually disintegrated into rival regional powers and was ultimately destroyed by the Mongol invasions of the 13th century. The area was then contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for the next 600 years, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia. The Cossack Hetmanate emerged in central Ukraine in the 17th century, but was partitioned between Russia and Poland, and ultimately absorbed by the Russian Empire. Ukrainian nationalism developed and, following the Russian Revolution in 1917, the short-lived Ukrainian People's Republic was formed. The Bolsheviks consolidated control over much of the former empire and established the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which became a constituent republic of the Soviet Union when it was formed in 1922. In the early 1930s, millions of Ukrainians died in the Holodomor, a human-made famine. The German occupation during World War II in Ukraine was devastating, with 7 million Ukrainian civilians killed, including most Ukrainian Jews. Ukraine gained independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved, and declared itself neutral."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

[old salt]

The state eventually disintegrated into rival regional powers and was ultimately destroyed by the Mongol invasions of the 13th century. The area was then contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for the next 600 years, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.

...& the Tsardom of Russia was the longest lasting & most enduring. A coherent, recognizable "state" of Ukriaine never existed, not even in 1917.
There is no significant modern NATIONAL history of Ukraine. It's boundaries were established as a province of Tsarist Russia & then as an arbitrarily altered Soviet Republic.

[a fan]

I pointed out the fact that the sanctions were ineffective in deterring Putin.

That's because he's a Dem, and that makes you stupid.

How do you fight wars without money?

You cited Russia's GDP...hilariously. How much higher would my sales be if I sold my spirits for pennies on the dollar, like chump Putin is doing with oil and China? Way higher......leading to higher P, in GDP.

Trump was trying to get evidence about Ukraine's attempts to interfere in our 2016 election, which have since come to light.

Right. You're an idiot. R's good. Dems bad.

[a fan]

The lethal aid Trump gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

The lethal aid Biden gave helped prevent Ukraine's collapse.

Fixed it for you.

When Trump does it, it's awesome.

When Biden does it, he's awful.

It's impossible for a man of your age and education to be this stupid. Stop wasting your time with this fake opinion.

What's stupid is your one size fits all logic & failure to see nuance or recognize different circumstances.

Right. Your answer EVERYTIME a D and a R do the exact same thing.

Every time, without fail, it's coincidentally and magically different.

Sell it somewhere else. Your partisanship makes you weak, small, and ridiculous. Dems are ALWAYS wrong. It's like talking to a child.

You see no difference between Invasion or No Invasion. Sell that somewhere else.

You ripped Obama for not helping Ukraine militarily. You ripped Biden because he DID help Ukraine militarily.

You can't keep your own BS straight. You've been caught doing this over and over and over. You're fooling no one trying to act like you're calling balls and strikes. No matter what the Dems do, you tell us it's wrong. No amount of dancing fixes this. You're caught.

You can't keep your BS straight.

I did not rip Obama for not supporting Ukraine militarily. I ripped him for interfering in Ukrainian internal affairs, fomenting the Maidan Revolution & regime change.

When Trump was being impeached for delaying the release of a few Javelins to Ukraine (long before the invasion), I pointed out that Obama had provided no lethal military aid. I did not rip Biden for providing military aid to Ukraine. I merely pointed out that he gave just enough military aid to extend the war & not enough to win it, & encouraged an ill conceived offensive against hardened Russian defenses which was doomed to fail without air support & long range fires, which he refused to provide.

You are more concerned with US meddling in intrtnsl affairs than you are with Russian, Chinese, Egyptian, Israeli, Hungarian in our internal affairs?

The Maidan Revolution clashes between protesters and state forces in Kyiv resulted in ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, the return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and the outbreak of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War. That one? Wasn’t Viktor a Russian asset? He was endorsed by Putin, did not speak Ukranian and wanted vlode ties with Russia

Correct. WE call out Russian meddling in our elections. Sanction & prosecute them. We actively participated in the overthrown of the legally recognized Government of Ukraine, & handed out sandwiches to the revolutionaries. Ukraine was supposed to be a bi-lingual country. For most of it's history it was a province of Russia & an integral part of Russia.

Game. Set. Match. Surrender. Ukraine is rightfully Russia's.

Old Salt "forgot" to tell us that Russia owns Ukraine when Trump sent them arms. Or at any point in the last decade he's been on the forum. He "remembered" this when a D took office, and Putin invaded.

He's a toddler, making it up as he goes, hoping no one notices how stupidly he's behaving. Dems are bad.