Johns Hopkins 2023

[flalax22]

Hop landing any big recruits here in the early part of the commitment season?

At least 6. See above!

Asking about current Juniors in High School as it is recruiting season?

Only 2024 recruit listed on IL is a SSDM from Lawrenceville. Very early in this cycle. Except for the service academies, who need to identify kids for the process early, most schools have at most 1 or 2 recruits.

He was a '23 who is reclassifying as a '24 after transferring from Chesire to L'Ville. Same deal with FO Joe Hobot after transferring from Smithtown East to Loomis. So technically we have two '24 recruits but both committed several months ago as '23s.

I guess flalax gets to see the Jays in person in February. Hopefully that game is on TV/streaming, not sure what platform Jax home games are on

I’m about 4 hours south of there near Sarasota. I may try and make it up for that though.

[10stone5]

Gerstell Academy (MIAA 'B') — announced lacrosse legend
John Grant, Jr. as the Falcons' next head coach.

[Henpecked]

10Stone, why would you post that here? Don’t you know that triggers Hopkins fans? He’s the sole reason they were terrible this year. Take your trolling elsewhere!

[youthathletics]

Gerstell Academy (MIAA 'B') — announced lacrosse legend
John Grant, Jr. as the Falcons' next head coach.

That’s awesome.

[molo]

That makes it a little easier to understand why Junior and PM were not especially compatible.

[10stone5]

10Stone, why would you post that here? Don’t you know that triggers Hopkins fans? He’s the sole reason they were terrible this year. Take your trolling elsewhere!

[Sagittarius A*]

That makes it a little easier to understand why Junior and PM were not especially compatible.

I'm not sure PM is compatible with anybody, except maybe JB.

[flalax22]

That makes it a little easier to understand why Junior and PM were not especially compatible.

I'm not sure PM is compatible with anybody, except maybe JB.

This certainly seems to be a recurring sentiment

[Drcthru]

The ninth-ranked Johns Hopkins football team jumped out to a 35-0 lead after one quarter, pushed the lead to 63-0 at the half and cruised to a 70-0 victory over visiting Juniata at Homewood Field Saturday afternoon. The win improves the Blue Jays' record to 3-0 overall and 2-0 in the Centennial Conference, while the Eagles slip to 0-3 overall and 0-2 in the Centennial.

[Sagittarius A*]

Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

I think what Johns Hopkins used to be … and what some members of our forum wished it still was … is an institution that emphasized graduate studies and research over undergraduate instruction.

Frankly, I think that was an extremely detrimental approach. The undergraduate schools were, are, and will always be the heart of the university. The graduate and professional schools cannot ever form the core of the university’s community. Research institutions like APL and the Space Telescope Science Institute could easily be stand-alone institutions. The emphasis and focus should always be on the undergraduate schools.

That certainly wasn’t the case when I attended Hopkins. Compared to the three universities that I attended other than Hopkins, Hopkins had by far the worst quality of teaching. Faculty seemed to deem teaching a chore, and their poor quality of teaching reflected that. I also don’t understand what is good about “academic rigor”. Other top schools have academic rigor, but Hopkins took it to an extreme. I once got a 5 out of a 100 on an advanced physics test … and it was a passing grade. That’s just nuts … and stupid. The f*cking physics professor should have been fired for giving a test where even a class full of graduate students failed to break an average score of 20 out of 100. Another idiot Hopkins professor spent the entire semester deriving equations on a chalkboard without explaining why the equations were important or why we were deriving them. That guy should have been fired, too.

President Daniels has clearly prioritized improving the undergraduate experience without neglecting the graduate schools and research institutions. Some don’t like the new emphasis, but it’s way overdue. I can’t believe it took nearly 150 years for Hopkins to finally build a decent student center.

Ok … rant over.

*Drops Mic*

DocBarrister

other people tell you if you dropped a mic.

I can’t believe you got even this wrong.

*Ahem*

Dropping a mic is an inherently boastful act. It must be done by the person who is boasting. Boasting is the entire point of dropping a mic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mic_drop



DocBarrister

i'm talking about on social.
but wiki, boastful... checks out.

When Columbia drops from 2 to 18 because they f'ed up but otherwise are exactly the same school what does that tell you about the value of rankings? Or conversely what does it say about the difference between 2 and 20?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/columbia ... 38574.html

"Michael Thaddeus, the Columbia mathematics professor that discovered the inconsistencies, poured scorn on the system of rankings.

“Does it make sense to conclude from this folly that Columbia is the 18th best American university, worse than Cornell but better than Berkeley?” he told Gothamist. “Of course not—that would be ridiculous. The only thing that makes sense is paying no attention to these bogus rankings at all.”"

[HopFan16]

Jays get their '24 goalie, Andrew Cook, a 4-star out of Torrey Pines in California

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... commitment

https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/15 ... 2323628032

[Farfromgeneva]

Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

I think what Johns Hopkins used to be … and what some members of our forum wished it still was … is an institution that emphasized graduate studies and research over undergraduate instruction.

Frankly, I think that was an extremely detrimental approach. The undergraduate schools were, are, and will always be the heart of the university. The graduate and professional schools cannot ever form the core of the university’s community. Research institutions like APL and the Space Telescope Science Institute could easily be stand-alone institutions. The emphasis and focus should always be on the undergraduate schools.

That certainly wasn’t the case when I attended Hopkins. Compared to the three universities that I attended other than Hopkins, Hopkins had by far the worst quality of teaching. Faculty seemed to deem teaching a chore, and their poor quality of teaching reflected that. I also don’t understand what is good about “academic rigor”. Other top schools have academic rigor, but Hopkins took it to an extreme. I once got a 5 out of a 100 on an advanced physics test … and it was a passing grade. That’s just nuts … and stupid. The f*cking physics professor should have been fired for giving a test where even a class full of graduate students failed to break an average score of 20 out of 100. Another idiot Hopkins professor spent the entire semester deriving equations on a chalkboard without explaining why the equations were important or why we were deriving them. That guy should have been fired, too.

President Daniels has clearly prioritized improving the undergraduate experience without neglecting the graduate schools and research institutions. Some don’t like the new emphasis, but it’s way overdue. I can’t believe it took nearly 150 years for Hopkins to finally build a decent student center.

Ok … rant over.

*Drops Mic*

DocBarrister

other people tell you if you dropped a mic.

I can’t believe you got even this wrong.

*Ahem*

Dropping a mic is an inherently boastful act. It must be done by the person who is boasting. Boasting is the entire point of dropping a mic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mic_drop



DocBarrister

i'm talking about on social.
but wiki, boastful... checks out.

When Columbia drops from 2 to 18 because they f'ed up but otherwise are exactly the same school what does that tell you about the value of rankings? Or conversely what does it say about the difference between 2 and 20?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/columbia ... 38574.html

"Michael Thaddeus, the Columbia mathematics professor that discovered the inconsistencies, poured scorn on the system of rankings.

“Does it make sense to conclude from this folly that Columbia is the 18th best American university, worse than Cornell but better than Berkeley?” he told Gothamist. “Of course not—that would be ridiculous. The only thing that makes sense is paying no attention to these bogus rankings at all.”"

Says the guy who’s boss is responsible for creating the issue for their employer. I agree of course but it’s also silly to deny it has practical real world value to. You need critical mass to walk away from it or else it just becomes another game theory driven race to the bottom.

I mean there’d be no advertising if we had a perfectly capitalist economy with perfect substitute products and services. Most of the service based economy is competitively organized around opacity, information asymmetry and pretending to create franchise value, an intangible that in the long run is never worth the value placed on it.

[OCanada]

Hopkins certainly believes it has value. Rising in USNWR has been a goal.

[NOVALax2015]

Does it have value? Yes.
Should it have value? To a degree, but certainly not to the extent it does given all the assumptions, subjectivity, metrics that have value to limited populations, ...

[Farfromgeneva]

Hopkins certainly believes it has value. Rising in USNWR has been a goal.

Who is “Hopkins”? Alums, parents of current students, current students, faculty, administration, donors?

Bigger question is do the rankings truly reflect quality of experience (education, but experience includes sectarian within it comprehensively) and is it in the best interest of constituents long term to model the organization to that system? Or is it picking up nickels in front of a steamroller but because of latency in impact we won’t know that for a few more generations? Ie picking up a few spots in rankings where the vast majority of future students don’t really value the movement amongst the top 10-20 very much ultimately but creates the wrong incentive structure into a system that moves the system to decay (faster nothing is forever) over time. It’s a serious question because you see both mediocre and high quality schools both moving towards and away from USNWR so someone has to be right and wrong. And if not then the rankings need to disappear forever.

[HopFan16]

It's not that serious

Sounds like another commit coming today based on Crawley's tweet

[Farfromgeneva]

Neither is athletics in the gran scheme of things unless one places their identity and value in life on that.

[Newbie14]

Are we already back to the "we lost to Navy last year because Ron Daniels doesn't go to lax games" argument? It's only September. Let's at least save that for February.

'06 pointed out that the roster looks mostly updated for 2023. There are some big boys in this freshman class:

Collison 6'4'' 220
Brown 6'2'' 200
Bigelow 6'4'' 220
Smith 6'2'' 205
Didden 6'3'' 200
Billings 6'4'' 200

Take with a grain of salt but Collison is listed at attack

So it’s all about size now? Not just for jHU but skill takes a back seat to brute force?

[HopFan16]

Are we already back to the "we lost to Navy last year because Ron Daniels doesn't go to lax games" argument? It's only September. Let's at least save that for February.

'06 pointed out that the roster looks mostly updated for 2023. There are some big boys in this freshman class:

Collison 6'4'' 220
Brown 6'2'' 200
Bigelow 6'4'' 220
Smith 6'2'' 205
Didden 6'3'' 200
Billings 6'4'' 200

Take with a grain of salt but Collison is listed at attack

So it’s all about size now? Not just for jHU but skill takes a back seat to brute force?

What? Who said anything about that? I simply pointed out there are some big kids in the class. That's it. Are you ok?

[nyjay]

Beat 16 to it. Another 24 commit:

@jhumenslacrosse picks up one of the best ‘24 lefty snipers as NLF No. 69 Ben Morris (Bayport-Blue Point, N.Y.) commits.

@team91lacrosse standout had a terrific summer, including lights-out CrabFeast. Outstanding shooter w/ both velocity and accuracy.