cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:25 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:25 am
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:11 am
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:49 am
Ahhhhh, the devil is in the details. The folks in Minneapolis want to re-invent policing. Good luck with that, to do that you have to re-invent criminals as well. I read many people in Minny saying they need to police differently. That would involve retraining every single police officer to new policing standards that nobody can define. It is so simple to say the police need to be a different type of police. It is really complicated how any city can make that happen. Do you ignore all traffic stops because that is profiling? Do you turn your head to all the open air corner drug dealers? Do you just give all low level crime a pass? How do you now handle those truly violent criminals that won't go into custody without a battle royal? How do you redesign policing? There are tactics that need to be refined. What will those new tactics be. The most dangerous call for any police officer is a domestic disturbance. They escalate into extreme violence at the drop of a hat. Anyone out there tell me how you repolice that response, I'm all ears. I would love to know how it is done and keep all parties safe at the same time. Ahhhhh, new policing, sounds nice, everybody loves the concept, nobody really knows how to make it happen and make it work.
Those are the 10,000 questions. Seems the MO now is shoot and ask questions later. Everyone in a position of power is likely scared to death to actually 'really' talk about what it is that can truly be done.
'Baltimore' is a great lesson in what happens when the police are attacked by politicians. They simply stop policing and only show up when the body drops. That way, you don't get sued or thrown under the bus by your mayor/DA/governor. Crime goes up; private businesses hire their own security (look at Johns Hopkins); and businesses abandon any part of town that is even partly suspect.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/ed ... story.html
The merchants at Mondawmin Mall in West Baltimore are apparently fed up after a wave of crime, including an armed robbery of a jewelry store in the middle of the day. Some gave up sales to shutter their doors in protest last week to try to get the attention of city officials and the property’s owners. We hope the red alert worked. Mondawmin Mall is no Harbor East or Rodeo Drive with its hodgepodge of independent sneakers stores and low-priced clothing establishments, but it is an important retail anchor in a part of the city sorely lacking in other amenities. The neglect of the mall is unacceptable and shameful, and not fair to the residents of the surrounding neighborhoods who want a safe place to shop just like everyone else. What shopper in their right mind is going to risk a trip to a mall where armed bandits are running around freely with people milling about? If employees say they fear for their lives, and hired security is scared to do their jobs as merchants contend, how are shoppers supposed to feel?
This whole 'defund the police' scenario is an absolute disaster for Democrats and they know it. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place; the smart ones know exactly what will occur if they 'defund the police', but they also need the votes of the agitators. Look what happened yesterday when Jacob Frey (Jacob Frey! He's on their side for heaven's sake!) refused to say he would 'defund the police'...they mocked and heckled him so he had to leave the street. If they do that to Jacob Frey, imagine what they will do to a half-normal Democrat like Biden who actually does believe in policing effectiveness.
Speak up, board Dems...you're in a pickle here.
Maybe the mayor should bow to public pressure and give them what they demand. I betcha a steak dinner to anyone on this forum it won't work out the way people think. FTR, how the hell do you just "defund" police? Isn't public safety an important part of any state mandate to all of its cities? This would fail in any court of law in about 30 seconds if it was ever tried.
Funny.....the left has been clamoring to get rid of guns, fighting to do away with the 2nd amendment and then, if you are in trouble, to call the authorities....and now they want to defund those same authorities and limit their capabilities.
I can hear it now....
Citizen: Hello, 911, I think someone is breaking into my home
911 Operator: Be calm, take 4 yoga breaths and curl into a ball under your bed
Citizen: please send help I think I hear them
911: Yes I hear them also. I want you to shout as loud as you can and scare them away
Citizen: You want me to do whaaaaat? Please send help!
911: I am sorry, you do not need us, you just need to throw a brick at them or a Molotov cocktail, those always seem to work. Do you have a gun?
Citizen: Heavens no.
911: Would you like one?
Citizen: Yes, please send a police office.
911: I am sorry, they are all performing crowd control and we are short staffed. Call us back in an hour if things get worse, maybe the crowd of protesters with thin out and we' can get someone over there. I can send over a therapist if you'd like to talk to someone?
Citizen: If I get out of this I will certainly buy a gun and never vote democrat again
911: sounds like a great idea, that 's what I did and I never looked back. I was tired of them bastids lying and BS'ing me all the time. All they ever do is pander to get your vote, then handout cash like a crack dealer to get you hooked.
Citizen: Never mind....it was just my 1 of 12 cats and knocked over my aloe plant into my hydroponic stevia garden. Thank you so much. I am now going to eat raw sugar, drink some Jack Daniels and eat a hamburger.....medium rare. Thanks for waking me up.
911: My pleasure, welcome to the 1st day of your new life.