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cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:42 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:36 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:20 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:03 pm WG -- I know the IHME projections are sub-optimal. But better than having nothing when trying to make decisions in the middle of the battle.

So FWIW, they project 538 daily deaths at September 1 on our current path. Versus 96 per day if we go universal masks.

So let's go with Little Marco -- wear the darn mask!!

Especially since there's zero downside of wearing masks. Unless you think like Petey Cry Wolf Gator Troll Boy Brown.

Since PCWGTBB thinks masks are the preferred tool of the TDS FLPs to bring about their preferred totalitarian extermination of all freedom in the USA. But then he also believes George Floyd died of other causes. Gross. Stupid. Predictable.

as i don't think i'll be swaying anyone's decisions and only really risk the ire of the experts on fanlax... the downside isn't zero.
the WHO says so.
there are at least several + "potential" issues with masks and frankly there wouldn't have been all the waffling with major health orgs if that wasn't the case.
that said, i jump in the mask doggy pile for a preponderence of evidence and yeah... if any and all of us want to argue for laws as well as freedoms within reason we should at least try to be on board unless it's a cause worth rebellion.
your crazy modeling guys at ihme notwithstanding.

to me, it is much more a matter of behavior (which can include masks). our behavior will set the direction.

I would think that the upside (that mask/facial covering wearing) is dominant over the downside. Visited my daughter (lives in a fairly major city in the Midwest) this past weekend, and it is clear that no one seems to be without one in the city limits, and usually does not have it over their face unless in pretty close quarters outside, or upon entering a business. Did see a few older people (compared to me at 63) pull up masks while walking down a rail trail when passing the opposite direction...

Get out into the burbs and the mask wearing diminishes a little.

Mask wearing should not be on the downside. It is one of the easiest things we can all do to help protect every one. I am not a person easily persuaded to so something I really dont like doing. Wearing a mask is a no brainer.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:08 pm
try running with one on. Get back to us.

I know, I know, don't run if the mask becomes a problem. stay home.....get fat. DON'T exercise

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:08 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:42 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:36 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:20 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:03 pm WG -- I know the IHME projections are sub-optimal. But better than having nothing when trying to make decisions in the middle of the battle.

So FWIW, they project 538 daily deaths at September 1 on our current path. Versus 96 per day if we go universal masks.

So let's go with Little Marco -- wear the darn mask!!

Especially since there's zero downside of wearing masks. Unless you think like Petey Cry Wolf Gator Troll Boy Brown.

Since PCWGTBB thinks masks are the preferred tool of the TDS FLPs to bring about their preferred totalitarian extermination of all freedom in the USA. But then he also believes George Floyd died of other causes. Gross. Stupid. Predictable.

as i don't think i'll be swaying anyone's decisions and only really risk the ire of the experts on fanlax... the downside isn't zero.
the WHO says so.
there are at least several + "potential" issues with masks and frankly there wouldn't have been all the waffling with major health orgs if that wasn't the case.
that said, i jump in the mask doggy pile for a preponderence of evidence and yeah... if any and all of us want to argue for laws as well as freedoms within reason we should at least try to be on board unless it's a cause worth rebellion.
your crazy modeling guys at ihme notwithstanding.

to me, it is much more a matter of behavior (which can include masks). our behavior will set the direction.

I would think that the upside (that mask/facial covering wearing) is dominant over the downside. Visited my daughter (lives in a fairly major city in the Midwest) this past weekend, and it is clear that no one seems to be without one in the city limits, and usually does not have it over their face unless in pretty close quarters outside, or upon entering a business. Did see a few older people (compared to me at 63) pull up masks while walking down a rail trail when passing the opposite direction...

Get out into the burbs and the mask wearing diminishes a little.

Mask wearing should not be on the downside. It is one of the easiest things we can all do to help protect every one. I am not a person easily persuaded to so something I really dont like doing. Wearing a mask is a no brainer.

Does that mean you are finally delighted to be living in the Empire State? I know I am, where they take a pandemic serious and science rules over politics. NYS didn’t do everything right, but they took one for the country to show the way. I would be very unhappy in a state or region where simply wearing a mask is a big deal.

FYI I was at Letchworth State Park today. I’ve been in every state and NYS has an abundance of beauty matched by few. Niagara gorge yesterday, Genesee gorge today. Next Tuesday I’m going to Syracuse to see if there’s a AC in dmac’s yard.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:43 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:37 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:11 pm
And there isn't such thing as "a right move" in this mess. If you loosen up "too much", people die. If you loosen up "too little", people suffer economically. And no one can say what "too much" or "too little is"....and the situation changes almost hourly.

Were you pre law at some time a Fan? That is a pretty damn good summation if I do say so.

Yep... +1 a fan

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:42 pm Related bit of news - the Coronavirus Task Force is reportedly considering doing pooled testing to save on tests...

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:39 pm [
Zuby

njbill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:31 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:42 pm Related bit of news - the Coronavirus Task Force is reportedly considering doing pooled testing to save on tests...

Is it true Trump suggested reusing test kits?

ardilla secreta wrote
FYI I was at Letchworth State Park today. I’ve been in every state and NYS has an abundance of beauty matched by few. Niagara gorge yesterday, Genesee gorge today. Next Tuesday I’m going to Syracuse to see if there’s a AC in dmac’s yard.

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:07 pm WG -- I find that explanation entirely unconvincing. Because there's zero data presented on the comparative risk profile of wearing/not wearing a mask. Wait....WHAT! This is what I have been saying for months. There is zero proof that wearing a mask.....

Sure, wearing a seatbelt might make me drive faster and be more likely to get into an accident. And a seatbelt might slow me down from getting out of my car if it bursts into flame. But you can't tell me that seatbelts are net bad unless you also factor in the benefits you get from wearing a seatbelt. Councilor, retool this argument. If you never get into the car (leave home), there is no need to wear a seatbelt. (mask) Does wearing a mask make you run around wanting to hug everyone, ala Joe Biden, like driving fast b/c you're wearing a seatbelt? And all this time I thought it was because of the law. Ummm.....how many people STILL text and drive.....exactly.

FWIW, here's the risk section on masks from the WHO. Judge for yourself if this seems reasonable. To me, it sounds like an over-lawyered CYA rather than sound medical advice. Kind of like the fast-talk disclaimer warnings of TV commercials for pharmaceuticals -- "if your boner lasts more than four hours seek medical attention. And this stuff could kill you!!:

There are potential risks and disadvantages that should be taken into account in any decision-making process on the use of masks:

Non-medical or fabric masks could increase potential for COVID-19 to infect a person if the mask is contaminated by dirty hands and touched often, or kept on other parts of the face or head and then placed back over the mouth and nose
Depending on the type of mask used, could cause difficulty in breathing
They can lead to facial skin breakdown
They can lead to difficulty with communicating clearly
They can be uncomfortable to wear
It is possible that mask use, with unclear benefits, could create a false sense of security in the wearer, leading to diminished practice of recognized beneficial preventive measures such as physical distancing and hand hygiene.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:18 pm

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:08 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:42 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:36 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:20 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:03 pm WG -- I know the IHME projections are sub-optimal. But better than having nothing when trying to make decisions in the middle of the battle.

So FWIW, they project 538 daily deaths at September 1 on our current path. Versus 96 per day if we go universal masks.

So let's go with Little Marco -- wear the darn mask!!

Especially since there's zero downside of wearing masks. Unless you think like Petey Cry Wolf Gator Troll Boy Brown.

Since PCWGTBB thinks masks are the preferred tool of the TDS FLPs to bring about their preferred totalitarian extermination of all freedom in the USA. But then he also believes George Floyd died of other causes. Gross. Stupid. Predictable.

as i don't think i'll be swaying anyone's decisions and only really risk the ire of the experts on fanlax... the downside isn't zero.
the WHO says so.
there are at least several + "potential" issues with masks and frankly there wouldn't have been all the waffling with major health orgs if that wasn't the case.
that said, i jump in the mask doggy pile for a preponderence of evidence and yeah... if any and all of us want to argue for laws as well as freedoms within reason we should at least try to be on board unless it's a cause worth rebellion.
your crazy modeling guys at ihme notwithstanding.

to me, it is much more a matter of behavior (which can include masks). our behavior will set the direction.

I would think that the upside (that mask/facial covering wearing) is dominant over the downside. Visited my daughter (lives in a fairly major city in the Midwest) this past weekend, and it is clear that no one seems to be without one in the city limits, and usually does not have it over their face unless in pretty close quarters outside, or upon entering a business. Did see a few older people (compared to me at 63) pull up masks while walking down a rail trail when passing the opposite direction...

Get out into the burbs and the mask wearing diminishes a little.

Mask wearing should not be on the downside. It is one of the easiest things we can all do to help protect every one. I am not a person easily persuaded to so something I really dont like doing. Wearing a mask is a no brainer.

Does that mean you are finally delighted to be living in the Empire State? I know I am, where they take a pandemic serious and science rules over politics. NYS didn’t do everything right, but they took one for the country to show the way. I would be very unhappy in a state or region where simply wearing a mask is a big deal.

FYI I was at Letchworth State Park today. I’ve been in every state and NYS has an abundance of beauty matched by few. Niagara gorge yesterday, Genesee gorge today. Next Tuesday I’m going to Syracuse to see if there’s a AC in dmac’s yard.

god's country in the summa and fall.
glad you got outta pa!!!
if you have time, check out chittenango falls and cazenovia lake and town out east.

WG -- I find that explanation entirely unconvincing. Because there's zero data presented on the comparative risk profile of wearing/not wearing a mask. Wait....WHAT! This is what I have been saying for months. There is zero proof that wearing a mask.....

CU88 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:46 am 70,000 Americans have died of covid since the last coronavirus task force briefing. Heartbreaking and criminal.

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:07 pm WG -- I find that explanation entirely unconvincing. Because there's zero data presented on the comparative risk profile of wearing/not wearing a mask.

Sure, wearing a seatbelt might make me drive faster and be more likely to get into an accident. And a seatbelt might slow me down from getting out of my car if it bursts into flame. But you can't tell me that seatbelts are net bad unless you also factor in the benefits you get from wearing a seatbelt.

FWIW, here's the risk section on masks from the WHO. Judge for yourself if this seems reasonable. To me, it sounds like an over-lawyered CYA rather than sound medical advice. Kind of like the fast-talk disclaimer warnings of TV commercials for pharmaceuticals -- "if your boner lasts more than four hours seek medical attention. And this stuff could kill you!!:

There are potential risks and disadvantages that should be taken into account in any decision-making process on the use of masks:

Non-medical or fabric masks could increase potential for COVID-19 to infect a person if the mask is contaminated by dirty hands and touched often, or kept on other parts of the face or head and then placed back over the mouth and nose
Depending on the type of mask used, could cause difficulty in breathing
They can lead to facial skin breakdown
They can lead to difficulty with communicating clearly
They can be uncomfortable to wear
It is possible that mask use, with unclear benefits, could create a false sense of security in the wearer, leading to diminished practice of recognized beneficial preventive measures such as physical distancing and hand hygiene.

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:08 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:42 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:36 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:20 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:03 pm WG -- I know the IHME projections are sub-optimal. But better than having nothing when trying to make decisions in the middle of the battle.

So FWIW, they project 538 daily deaths at September 1 on our current path. Versus 96 per day if we go universal masks.

So let's go with Little Marco -- wear the darn mask!!

Especially since there's zero downside of wearing masks. Unless you think like Petey Cry Wolf Gator Troll Boy Brown.

Since PCWGTBB thinks masks are the preferred tool of the TDS FLPs to bring about their preferred totalitarian extermination of all freedom in the USA. But then he also believes George Floyd died of other causes. Gross. Stupid. Predictable.

as i don't think i'll be swaying anyone's decisions and only really risk the ire of the experts on fanlax... the downside isn't zero.
the WHO says so.
there are at least several + "potential" issues with masks and frankly there wouldn't have been all the waffling with major health orgs if that wasn't the case.
that said, i jump in the mask doggy pile for a preponderence of evidence and yeah... if any and all of us want to argue for laws as well as freedoms within reason we should at least try to be on board unless it's a cause worth rebellion.
your crazy modeling guys at ihme notwithstanding.

to me, it is much more a matter of behavior (which can include masks). our behavior will set the direction.

I would think that the upside (that mask/facial covering wearing) is dominant over the downside. Visited my daughter (lives in a fairly major city in the Midwest) this past weekend, and it is clear that no one seems to be without one in the city limits, and usually does not have it over their face unless in pretty close quarters outside, or upon entering a business. Did see a few older people (compared to me at 63) pull up masks while walking down a rail trail when passing the opposite direction...

Get out into the burbs and the mask wearing diminishes a little.

Mask wearing should not be on the downside. It is one of the easiest things we can all do to help protect every one. I am not a person easily persuaded to so something I really dont like doing. Wearing a mask is a no brainer.

Does that mean you are finally delighted to be living in the Empire State? I know I am, where they take a pandemic serious and science rules over politics. NYS didn’t do everything right, but they took one for the country to show the way. I would be very unhappy in a state or region where simply wearing a mask is a big deal.

FYI I was at Letchworth State Park today. I’ve been in every state and NYS has an abundance of beauty matched by few. Niagara gorge yesterday, Genesee gorge today. Next Tuesday I’m going to Syracuse to see if there’s a AC in dmac’s yard.

DMac wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:38 pm

ardilla secreta wrote
FYI I was at Letchworth State Park today. I’ve been in every state and NYS has an abundance of beauty matched by few. Niagara gorge yesterday, Genesee gorge today. Next Tuesday I’m going to Syracuse to see if there’s a AC in dmac’s yard.

I think there are a whole bunch of people who have no idea just how gorgeous NYS is, it really is a beautiful state...lots of water here too.
I'm a little bummed now, as I'm heading up to the Adirondaks with two of my boys on Sunday. They've got a hundred acres up there, quite a nice little paradise (summertime only and after black fly season only) with virtualy no rules. My kind of place.
AC.
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