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wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:11 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:07 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:53 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:41 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:31 pm On the other hand, the hospitals have capacity. The curve was flattened.
And ICUs at some places are being used as Covid-care, not necessarily ICU Covid care. Ventilator use is also not as prevalent, which is good.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronaviru ... story.html

Mostly because the infections are more concentrated in younger (and presumably more active) people than before. So they have a much better chance of not ending up in the ICU. But for a small fraction - there are some really serious long term complications that take months/years/never end for some.

do you know of a link that speaks to infections skewing younger lately?

No - I have been on the road travelling lately - so it either showed up in my Twitter feed, or I heard it on South Carolina public radio which I usually have on for long drives...

just saw cnbc has an article on it. only piece of data was a stat offered that florida median age in march was 55 and to under 35 in june, per evercore data. they allude to it broadly throughout the article. couldn't quick find any report or other articles from evercore.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/health/f ... index.html

CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:57 pm Leana Wen, M.D. @DrLeanaWen

"Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections," from
@CDCgov director Dr. Redfield.

Meaning there are actually 20 million+ #covid19 infections--and we are nowhere near testing capacity to rein in the virus.

1:47 PM · Jun 25, 2020

i'd be interested to know what our true testing capacity is. cepheid, roche and the cdc from what i've seen have the best tests. there may be others.
roche says they can do 130k per day (and 300k per day antibody):
https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-dis ... statistics
back in may they said they were already shipping "millions per week"
https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-dis ... 20-initial
cepheid's only announcement in the last 3 months talks about how they put together a kit to test for multiple illnesses, and in the release talks about 25,000 systems worldwide and up to 2,000 tests per day for each. who knows what this amounts to for the u.s. daily, especially because they don't note how many tests they actually have.
http://cepheid.mediaroom.com/2020-06-09 ... -B-and-RSV
a search for testing capacity per day/week comes up pretty empty for anything recent, though another search gets this update @ the end of may on supply chain and capacity delays or strains:
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/s ... -responses

as it is, we're probably testing somewhere between 250 - 350k per day? i really doubt 9 out of 10 people are getting turned away from taking a test that actually have it. many probably taking sniffles and a temp and seeing how it goes, or asymptomatic altogether and never know.

testing capacity debate was all the rage in april. by or hopefully before schooltime, maybe some mountain of change has occurred as the testing companies really do ramp up production in anticipation of heightened demand... but unless and until i hear schools really putting together "robust" plans for it, not sure that will develop. and it better be soon. or test companies aren't going on the hook for tens of millions of tests.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:00 am

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:10 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:55 pm That means the ICU would be at around 75% "full" without v-19 ?

Hospitals, like prisons, weren't designed to be empty, btw.

Correct, which is why the possibility of exponential growth of C19 cases is so dangerous, and why mitigation efforts like masks and social distancing are so important.

The "reporting" agency, TMC (Texas Medical Center), is JUST reporting their hospital chain is allegadedly reaching FULL. btw, does it matter that TMC recently got nailed with medicare fraud? Your story is fear porn.

Do hospitals gain, financially, when listing a patient as "covid" ?

exactly

Texas Governor Abbott just banned elective surgeries in 4 counties, including Houston's.

Just more "fear porn", right?

Don't need much comment here:

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:19 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:00 am

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:10 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:55 pm That means the ICU would be at around 75% "full" without v-19 ?

Hospitals, like prisons, weren't designed to be empty, btw.

Correct, which is why the possibility of exponential growth of C19 cases is so dangerous, and why mitigation efforts like masks and social distancing are so important.

The "reporting" agency, TMC (Texas Medical Center), is JUST reporting their hospital chain is allegadedly reaching FULL. btw, does it matter that TMC recently got nailed with medicare fraud? Your story is fear porn.

Do hospitals gain, financially, when listing a patient as "covid" ?

exactly

Texas Governor Abbott just banned elective surgeries in 4 counties, including Houston's.

Just more "fear porn", right?

Absolutely. He is hedging his bets, coa stuff.

If you could, provide a list of elective surgeries he banned. Go ahead. We will wait.

Than, when YOU provide the list (you brought the claim, prove it to be true with a list) , we can discuss whether a new pace maker is "elective" or not.

chloroquine cures cancer:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... ght-cancer?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 084050.htm
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-malar ... r-patients
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/01 ... 484664651/

nothing these drugs can't do.

North Texas family shaken after 18 relatives test positive for COVID-19 following family gathering

CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party who later tested positive.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Per Barbosa, those seven family members contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives at the party or through other family interactions.

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/ ... day-party/

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:56 pm Don't need much comment here:

You don’t?

Let's check that chart again in a month.

Bad day. Highest daily death toll since early May.

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:11 pm Let's check that chart again in a month.

Typical PB - he uses a death chart from the entire US (which is dominated by the large drops in deaths from those hard-hit states) and tries to compare it with the cases of three individual states. Plus what you point out - the deaths lag the cases by at least a couple of weeks.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:50 pm chloroquine cures cancer:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... ght-cancer?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 084050.htm
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-malar ... r-patients
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/01 ... 484664651/

nothing these drugs can't do.

Yup, genital warts and male pattern baldness.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:17 pm

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:11 pm Let's check that chart again in a month.

Typical PB - he uses a death chart from the entire US (which is dominated by the large drops in deaths from those hard-hit states) and tries to compare it with the cases of three individual states. Plus what you point out - the deaths lag the cases by at least a couple of weeks.

Screenshot_2020-06-25 Florida Coronavirus Map and Case Count.png

Being so Democratic-anxious to see fellow Americans die in order to prove your hypothesis, not coincidentally blinds your to facts on the ground that doctors every day devise better and more effective ways to combat the disease, lowering death rates. It is a simple phenomenon called “dynamic analysis”; that is, what can’t go on, won’t, and for every action there is a reaction .

But you should keep praying for deaths; death is a better fit for Democrats.

Florida in the mid 40s in deaths again.

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:49 pm

North Texas family shaken after 18 relatives test positive for COVID-19 following family gathering

CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party who later tested positive.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Per Barbosa, those seven family members contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives at the party or through other family interactions.

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/ ... day-party/

So what? Hope they are all ok, in the short and long........but why the frig should we care that they tested positive? Maybe, with the help of pollen, some having a headache and nite swets. . FEAR PORN.

When we mail out POTUSA ballots, make sure we include a covid test kit. Vote won't be counted if NO test kit included.

I know, for a fact, that certain SI swimsuit models.......have herpes. If the Barbosa family all tested positive for herpes.....now THAT is a gift that keeps on giving. Covid? The more we test, the more the morbidity is same as seasonal flu.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:32 pm

CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:49 pm

North Texas family shaken after 18 relatives test positive for COVID-19 following family gathering

CARROLLTON, Texas — As North Texas watches COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations surge, one family is shouldering a health crisis that they never expected to face.

That crisis, all began on May 30 when just a single relative, unknowingly infected with COVID-19, interacted with seven family members at a surprise birthday party who later tested positive.

Now, Ron Barbosa is keeping track of 18 people in his family who have tested positive for COVID-19.

Per Barbosa, those seven family members contracted and spread the virus to 10 other relatives at the party or through other family interactions.

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/ ... day-party/

So what? Hope they are all ok, in the short and long........but why the frig should we care that they tested positive? Maybe, with the help of pollen, some having a headache and nite swets. . FEAR PORN.

When we mail out POTUSA ballots, make sure we include a covid test kit. Vote won't be counted if NO test kit included.

I know, for a fact, that certain SI swimsuit models.......have herpes. If the Barbosa family all tested positive for herpes.....now THAT is a gift that keeps on giving. Covid? The more we test, the more the morbidity is same as seasonal flu.

Watched the video clip, while reading the article. "...Barbosa couldn't imagine a life without his parents...."

Just wow...don't mean to be harsh, but, since his parents have been married for 68 years, they are in their mid to late 80's. Also, when I was in the ICU recently, i had things shoved into my mouth, rump. The picture and video of the father shows no such devices. Unless Texas using mini me interbators.

The more you sniff, the more you smell FEAR PORN

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:33 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:50 pm chloroquine cures cancer:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articl ... ght-cancer?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 084050.htm
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-malar ... r-patients
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/01 ... 484664651/

nothing these drugs can't do.

Yup, genital warts and male pattern baldness.

Ah ha. You have hit on why Trump uses the drug: male pattern baldness.

You remember this condition was, one could say, why he raped Ivana. She recommended a doctor to treat the condition. Trump thought the doctor didn’t do a good job. So he assaulted Ivana in a rage, then raped her.

Krugman:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/opin ... e=Homepage

"Earlier this year much of America went through hell as the nation struggled to deal with Covid-19. More than 120,000 Americans have now died; more than 20 million have lost their jobs.

But it’s looking as if all those sacrifices were in vain. We never really got the coronavirus under control, and now infections, while they have fallen to a quite low level in the New York area, the pandemic’s original epicenter, are surging in much of the rest of the country.

And the bad news isn’t just a result of more testing. In new hot spots like Arizona — where testing capacity is being overwhelmed — and Houston the fraction of tests coming up positive is soaring, which shows that the disease is spreading rapidly.

It didn’t have to be this way. The European Union, a hugely diverse area with a larger population than the U.S., has been far more successful at limiting the spread of Covid-19 than we have. What went wrong?

The immediate answer is that many U.S. states ignored warnings from health experts and rushed to reopen their economies, and far too many people failed to follow basic precautions like wearing face masks and avoiding large groups. But why was there so much foolishness?

Well, I keep seeing statements to the effect that Americans were too impatient to stay the course, too unwilling to act responsibly. But this is deeply misleading, because it avoids confronting the essence of the problem. Americans didn’t fail the Covid-19 test; Republicans did.

After all, the Northeast, with its largely Democratic governors, has been appropriately cautious about reopening, and its numbers look like Europe’s. California and Washington are blue states that are seeing a rise in cases, but it’s from a relatively low base, and their Democratic governors are taking actions like requiring the use of face masks and seem ready to reverse their reopening.

So the really bad news is coming from Republican-controlled states, especially Arizona, Florida and Texas, which rushed to reopen and, while some are now pausing, haven’t reversed course. If the Northeast looks like Europe, the South is starting to look like Brazil.

Nor is it just Republican governors and state legislatures. According to the new New York Times/Siena poll, voters over all strongly favor giving control of the pandemic priority over reopening the economy — but Republican voters, presumably taking their cue from the White House and Fox News, take the opposite position.

And it’s not just about policy decisions. Partisanship seems to be driving individual behavior, too, with self-identified Democrats significantly more likely to wear face masks and engage in social distancing than self-identified Republicans.

The question, then, isn’t why “America” has failed to deal effectively with the pandemic. It’s why the G.O.P. has in effect allied itself with the coronavirus.

Part of the answer is short-term politics. At the beginning of this year Donald Trump’s re-election message was all about economic triumphalism: Unemployment was low, stocks were up, and he was counting on good numbers to carry him through November. He and his officials wasted crucial weeks refusing to acknowledge the viral threat because they didn’t want to hear any bad news.

And they pushed for premature reopening because they wanted things to return to what they seemed to be back in February. Indeed, just a few days ago the same Trump officials who initially assured us that Covid-19 was no big deal were out there dismissing the risks of a second wave.

I’d suggest, however, that the G.O.P.’s coronavirus denial also has roots that go beyond Trump and his electoral prospects. The key point, I’d argue, is that Covid-19 is like climate change: It isn’t the kind of menace the party wants to acknowledge.

It’s not that the right is averse to fearmongering. But it doesn’t want you to fear impersonal threats that require an effective policy response, not to mention inconveniences like wearing face masks; it wants you to be afraid of people you can hate — people of a different race or supercilious liberals.

So instead of dealing with Covid-19, Republican leaders and right-wing media figures have tried to make the pandemic into the kind of threat they want to talk about. It’s “kung flu,” foisted on us by villainous Chinese. Or it’s a hoax perpetrated by the “medical deep state,” which is just looking for a way to hurt Trump.

The good news is that the politics of virus denial don’t seem to be working. Partly that’s because racism doesn’t play the way it used to: The Black Lives Matter protesters have received broad public support, despite the usual suspects’ efforts to portray them as rampaging hordes. Partly it’s because the surge in infections is becoming too obvious to deny; even Republican governors are admitting that there’s a problem, although they still don’t seem willing to act.

The bad news is that partisanship has crippled our Covid-19 response. The virus is winning, and all indications are that the next few months will be a terrifying nightmare of rampant disease and economic disruption."

seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:59 am Krugman:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/opin ... e=Homepage

"Earlier this year much of America went through hell as the nation struggled to deal with Covid-19. More than 120,000 Americans have now died; more than 20 million have lost their jobs.

But it’s looking as if all those sacrifices were in vain. We never really got the coronavirus under control, and now infections, while they have fallen to a quite low level in the New York area, the pandemic’s original epicenter, are surging in much of the rest of the country.

And the bad news isn’t just a result of more testing. In new hot spots like Arizona — where testing capacity is being overwhelmed — and Houston the fraction of tests coming up positive is soaring, which shows that the disease is spreading rapidly.

It didn’t have to be this way. The European Union, a hugely diverse area with a larger population than the U.S., has been far more successful at limiting the spread of Covid-19 than we have. What went wrong?

The immediate answer is that many U.S. states ignored warnings from health experts and rushed to reopen their economies, and far too many people failed to follow basic precautions like wearing face masks and avoiding large groups. But why was there so much foolishness?

Well, I keep seeing statements to the effect that Americans were too impatient to stay the course, too unwilling to act responsibly. But this is deeply misleading, because it avoids confronting the essence of the problem. Americans didn’t fail the Covid-19 test; Republicans did.

After all, the Northeast, with its largely Democratic governors, has been appropriately cautious about reopening, and its numbers look like Europe’s. California and Washington are blue states that are seeing a rise in cases, but it’s from a relatively low base, and their Democratic governors are taking actions like requiring the use of face masks and seem ready to reverse their reopening.

So the really bad news is coming from Republican-controlled states, especially Arizona, Florida and Texas, which rushed to reopen and, while some are now pausing, haven’t reversed course. If the Northeast looks like Europe, the South is starting to look like Brazil.

Nor is it just Republican governors and state legislatures. According to the new New York Times/Siena poll, voters over all strongly favor giving control of the pandemic priority over reopening the economy — but Republican voters, presumably taking their cue from the White House and Fox News, take the opposite position.

And it’s not just about policy decisions. Partisanship seems to be driving individual behavior, too, with self-identified Democrats significantly more likely to wear face masks and engage in social distancing than self-identified Republicans.

The question, then, isn’t why “America” has failed to deal effectively with the pandemic. It’s why the G.O.P. has in effect allied itself with the coronavirus.

Part of the answer is short-term politics. At the beginning of this year Donald Trump’s re-election message was all about economic triumphalism: Unemployment was low, stocks were up, and he was counting on good numbers to carry him through November. He and his officials wasted crucial weeks refusing to acknowledge the viral threat because they didn’t want to hear any bad news.

And they pushed for premature reopening because they wanted things to return to what they seemed to be back in February. Indeed, just a few days ago the same Trump officials who initially assured us that Covid-19 was no big deal were out there dismissing the risks of a second wave.

I’d suggest, however, that the G.O.P.’s coronavirus denial also has roots that go beyond Trump and his electoral prospects. The key point, I’d argue, is that Covid-19 is like climate change: It isn’t the kind of menace the party wants to acknowledge.

It’s not that the right is averse to fearmongering. But it doesn’t want you to fear impersonal threats that require an effective policy response, not to mention inconveniences like wearing face masks; it wants you to be afraid of people you can hate — people of a different race or supercilious liberals.

So instead of dealing with Covid-19, Republican leaders and right-wing media figures have tried to make the pandemic into the kind of threat they want to talk about. It’s “kung flu,” foisted on us by villainous Chinese. Or it’s a hoax perpetrated by the “medical deep state,” which is just looking for a way to hurt Trump.

The good news is that the politics of virus denial don’t seem to be working. Partly that’s because racism doesn’t play the way it used to: The Black Lives Matter protesters have received broad public support, despite the usual suspects’ efforts to portray them as rampaging hordes. Partly it’s because the surge in infections is becoming too obvious to deny; even Republican governors are admitting that there’s a problem, although they still don’t seem willing to act.

The bad news is that partisanship has crippled our Covid-19 response. The virus is winning, and all indications are that the next few months will be a terrifying nightmare of rampant disease and economic disruption."

Krugman??? Suddenly the urge to vomit becomes uncontrollable. Why does any self respectable FLP person ever look to Paul Krugman for advice? That is the same as any FRC person looking to Oliver North for his opinion on military affairs. The corruption from wanting to make money makes either persons opinion totally irrelevant.

Roxy and I are getting ready for our morning stroll. I love this girl. When stuff gets heavy and deep on this forum she licks me in the face and the world makes sense to me again. Happiness is all about the love of a dog.

I just posted it, because it is a viewpoint. But if you read the piece, and look out over the landscape, state to state, Krugman is hardly novel or crazy. I do get that people don't much love Paul, but he is smart, observant and a good writer. Have a good walk with Roxy. My beagle and I are going to get some exercise too.