Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:02 pm
What a photo; tells you all you need to know about America today. The guy who has been shot, need I remind anyone, committed the 'crime' of supporting the police.
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Because for one, that's not at all what your R leaders are actually doing. Not even close. Laughably so. Do you guys bother to check to see if these things are ACTUALLY happening? Or are you just so pro-government that you'll believe anything a government official tells you without question?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:01 pmThis list seems so sensible...why do Lefties fight it?6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:58 pmWe're offering the country as founded.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:29 pmYes. What are you offering, 6ft? That's how this country works. If your team has better answers to our health, infrastructure, education and other domestic problems.....you'll win in the war of ideas, and you'll get the votes and stay in power.6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:08 am Their team wants
Abortion up to and including delivery
Paid for by federal funds
the elimination of the electoral college
End of the filibuster
free healthcare AND open borders
Defunding the police
The green new deal
Socialism
Elimination of the first second fourth and fifth amendments
And we've lost our way?
What's your counter to the above proposals? By every metric-----education, access to health care, infrastructure, police killings, energy usage, etc.....we're falling behind other 1st world nations.
So what do you have, besides "the Dems are bad"??
I can rattle off dozens of ideas given out by Nixon and other Republicans in the 60's and 70's that addressed these issues, 6ft. Where are the big ideas from your party?
You should be able to list them off the top of your head.
Three separate branches of government
Legislation that begins in the house
Distinct enforced borders.
First amendment protection
Second amendment protection.
Fourth Amendment protection.
Innocence until proven guilty
A raging economy based on inexpensive readily available fossil fuels
Less regulation
Energy independence.
C A P I T A L I S M
Law and Order.
Uh....Pete. Did you bother checking to read accounts as what happened BEFORE that pic was snapped? Or bother to learn who the shooter was, and why he was there?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:02 pm What a photo; tells you all you need to know about America today. The guy who has been shot, need I remind anyone, committed the 'crime' of supporting the police.
The Left.jpg
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:34 pmBecause for one, that's not at all what your R leaders are actually doing. Not even close. Laughably so. Do you guys bother to check to see if these things are ACTUALLY happening? Or are you just so pro-government that you'll believe anything a government official tells you without question?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:01 pmThis list seems so sensible...why do Lefties fight it?6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:58 pmWe're offering the country as founded.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:29 pmYes. What are you offering, 6ft? That's how this country works. If your team has better answers to our health, infrastructure, education and other domestic problems.....you'll win in the war of ideas, and you'll get the votes and stay in power.6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:08 am Their team wants
Abortion up to and including delivery
Paid for by federal funds
the elimination of the electoral college
End of the filibuster
free healthcare AND open borders
Defunding the police
The green new deal
Socialism
Elimination of the first second fourth and fifth amendments
And we've lost our way?
What's your counter to the above proposals? By every metric-----education, access to health care, infrastructure, police killings, energy usage, etc.....we're falling behind other 1st world nations.
So what do you have, besides "the Dems are bad"??
I can rattle off dozens of ideas given out by Nixon and other Republicans in the 60's and 70's that addressed these issues, 6ft. Where are the big ideas from your party?
You should be able to list them off the top of your head.
Three separate branches of government
Legislation that begins in the house
Distinct enforced borders.
First amendment protection
Second amendment protection.
Fourth Amendment protection.
Innocence until proven guilty
A raging economy based on inexpensive readily available fossil fuels
Less regulation
Energy independence.
C A P I T A L I S M
Law and Order.
If R's believed in distinct borders, Trump would have passed immigration reform. If they believed in Capitalism, we wouldn't be running the biggest deficit since WWII...and using Federal borrowing power to throw money at guys like Pete.
If they believed in innocent until proven guilty, they wouldn't be yelling "lock her up". If they believed in energy independence, they wouldn't allow energy importation. If they believed in law and order, they'd take it seriously when fellow citizens told them that police were killing citizens for no reason without consequences. If they believed in separation of powers, they'd lose their minds when Barr stepped in to help the President's buddy, instead of letting a Judge do her job.
I do find it hilarious that the two of you have finally abandoned the illusion that R's are for limited, Small government, though. Nice job. It only took you, oh, about 20 years to catch on to that lie......but, well done!
And for two, it's platitudes.
So let's stick to just one issue. What's your plan for getting America's education back on track at the HS level? And what's your plan for keeping an entire generation of college kids blowing all their future purchasing power on absurdly expensive college?
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:39 pmUh....Pete. Did you bother checking to read accounts as what happened BEFORE that pic was snapped? Or bother to learn who the shooter was, and why he was there?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:02 pm What a photo; tells you all you need to know about America today. The guy who has been shot, need I remind anyone, committed the 'crime' of supporting the police.
The Left.jpg
You're never going to learn, are you?
+1RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:49 pm Getting education back on track is far more complicated than school choice (which just exacerbates the disparity between the haves and have nots and has not shown it actually really improves things).
My suggestion would be to expect more of teachers and administrators - and pay them (like Finland). Remove nonsense compliance regulations (like standardized testing each year which only lines the pockets of the testers and does nothing for the actual education of the students as it bends education from real attainment and thinking to stupid adherence to tests which are not the right goals).
Encourage co-enrollment with community colleges and other local colleges, so the brighter students begin to earn college credits with someone else paying for them (and BTW, it is often cheaper per student for the high schools to pay for this than to directly teach the students).
And at the college level - the states need to pony up like they once did and pay for a greater share of funding for higher ed. That puts pressure economically on many of the private colleges to remain as affordable as possible if higher ed through the state systems is free/nearly free to students. And the reliance on student loans needs to be lowered to a tiny fraction of an education's cost - treat higher ed as an investment for society and not a luxury.
Who gives a sh*t what my plan is. I know republicans are closer to a solution that fits in a free capitalist society than you and your lib friends are.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:34 pmBecause for one, that's not at all what your R leaders are actually doing. Not even close. Laughably so. Do you guys bother to check to see if these things are ACTUALLY happening? Or are you just so pro-government that you'll believe anything a government official tells you without question?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:01 pmThis list seems so sensible...why do Lefties fight it?6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:58 pmWe're offering the country as founded.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:29 pmYes. What are you offering, 6ft? That's how this country works. If your team has better answers to our health, infrastructure, education and other domestic problems.....you'll win in the war of ideas, and you'll get the votes and stay in power.6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:08 am Their team wants
Abortion up to and including delivery
Paid for by federal funds
the elimination of the electoral college
End of the filibuster
free healthcare AND open borders
Defunding the police
The green new deal
Socialism
Elimination of the first second fourth and fifth amendments
And we've lost our way?
What's your counter to the above proposals? By every metric-----education, access to health care, infrastructure, police killings, energy usage, etc.....we're falling behind other 1st world nations.
So what do you have, besides "the Dems are bad"??
I can rattle off dozens of ideas given out by Nixon and other Republicans in the 60's and 70's that addressed these issues, 6ft. Where are the big ideas from your party?
You should be able to list them off the top of your head.
Three separate branches of government
Legislation that begins in the house
Distinct enforced borders.
First amendment protection
Second amendment protection.
Fourth Amendment protection.
Innocence until proven guilty
A raging economy based on inexpensive readily available fossil fuels
Less regulation
Energy independence.
C A P I T A L I S M
Law and Order.
If R's believed in distinct borders, Trump would have passed immigration reform. If they believed in Capitalism, we wouldn't be running the biggest deficit since WWII...and using Federal borrowing power to throw money at guys like Pete.
If they believed in innocent until proven guilty, they wouldn't be yelling "lock her up". If they believed in energy independence, they wouldn't allow energy importation. If they believed in law and order, they'd take it seriously when fellow citizens told them that police were killing citizens for no reason without consequences. If they believed in separation of powers, they'd lose their minds when Barr stepped in to help the President's buddy, instead of letting a Judge do her job.
I do find it hilarious that the two of you have finally abandoned the illusion that R's are for limited, Small government, though. Nice job. It only took you, oh, about 20 years to catch on to that lie......but, well done!
And for two, it's platitudes.
So let's stick to just one issue. What's your plan for getting America's education back on track at the HS level? And what's your plan for keeping an entire generation of college kids blowing all their future purchasing power on absurdly expensive college?
ggait wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:20 pm With no debate this week and only 3 weeks left, getting hard to see what remains that could get the needle moving in Trump's favor.
Even if the current polls are off by 5-6 points, Trump would still be outside of range to pull the EC straight. That only happens if the PV margin is 4, maybe 5, points or less.
Per 538 today:
94% chance of Joe winning the PV
86% chance of winning the EC
36% of a landslide (double digit PV margin)
Let's go Joe! Let's go Joe!
You guys are starting to sound a little desperate. Trump is the worst, most incompetent President ever, but Joe coughed. Sure.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:57 pm Joe thinks we are in a recession. https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/131 ... 03040?s=21
A little???seacoaster wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:04 pmYou guys are starting to sound a little desperate. Trump is the worst, most incompetent President ever, but Joe coughed. Sure.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:57 pm Joe thinks we are in a recession. https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/131 ... 03040?s=21
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:08 pmA little???seacoaster wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:04 pmYou guys are starting to sound a little desperate. Trump is the worst, most incompetent President ever, but Joe coughed. Sure.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:57 pm Joe thinks we are in a recession. https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/131 ... 03040?s=21
. The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research, the acknowledged arbiter of business-cycle dating, announced on June 8 that the economic expansion ended in February. It further concluded that “the unprecedented magnitude of the decline in employment and production, and its broad reach across the entire economy, warrants the designation of this episode as a recessionyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:57 pm Joe thinks we are in a recession. https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/131 ... 03040?s=21
Pffft, as TLD would say, I’ll still be eating duck no matter what. Only difference is we can complain and you can defend.seacoaster wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:04 pmYou guys are starting to sound a little desperate. Trump is the worst, most incompetent President ever, but Joe coughed. Sure.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:57 pm Joe thinks we are in a recession. https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/131 ... 03040?s=21