JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

[old salt]

What's really fun is watching so many supposedly smart people lose their minds over a leaked, rough draft, planning document.

Almost as fun watching you defend the circus. The "leak" was from the Iraqi government who received this "unsigned, draft document" not even labeled as a draft. Not from your alleged "deep state apparatchiks looking to make your incompetent heroes look bad.

Why would we SEND a draft document to the Iraqis?

Keep trolling.

Ask the leaker or see what the Marine 1 star says.
It was likely prepared as a contingency, so it could be signed, serialized & delivered promptly, if & when that decision is made.
You don't know who leaked it. We routinely share planning info with trusted coalition counterparts. It has been a remarkable success.
The point is -- until it's signed, serialized & delivered, it's not US policy. ...no matter what the NYT does to hype it.

Read this very s l o w l y to help you understand the source of the "L E A K".

"While it was unsigned, the letter was delivered to the Iraqis and leaked to media in the country by the prime minister’s office."

The letter was addressed to a specific officer in the IMOD, not the PM.
Our Marine commander likely thought his Iraqi friend would hold it at his level & use it to explain to his chain of command, the increased helo activity & troop repositioning.

[jhu72]

Don't trust General Milley (Cyrus?) anymore than Pompeo. Both lying sacks when it comes to the "imminent threat" nonsense.

[Kismet]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

[old salt]

What's really fun is watching so many supposedly smart people lose their minds over a leaked, rough draft, planning document.

Almost as fun watching you defend the circus. The "leak" was from the Iraqi government who received this "unsigned, draft document" not even labeled as a draft. Not from your alleged "deep state apparatchiks looking to make your incompetent heroes look bad. Reports today say Iraqi PM confirmed the expected withdrawal.

Why would we SEND an incorrect, draft document to the Iraqis?
The sender probably though that's what was likely to happen.


You are making things up as you go just like the bozos ( the only ones left in charge of our government) shoveling this dung to the public on a daily basis. Evidence the comedic SoS alleged press conference today just trying to zing reporters rather than providing any real information. West Pointers must be proud.
I'm trying to figure out what happened, how & why. It was likely an admin snafu that's being hyped into something sinister.

[old salt]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

You're right genius. The smart move would have been to not respond to the escalating attacks & pass up the opportunity to take out Soleimani & his PMF commander. They hadn't killed enough Americans yet.

Old news :
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/237 ... 8d5fbd549e
https://thediplomat.com/2019/10/china-n ... h-in-iraq/

[Typical Lax Dad]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

[old salt]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

I though you were self moderating. Get back out on 5th Ave.

[Kismet]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

You're kidding. The PM's office released the letter with a statement that they and Parliament went on the record that US troops should go and they released the letter to support those decisions. You expect them to release some sort of signed, serialized version of a letter they received from the Marine Commander in Baghdad......like "Are you sure you want to do this?" The letter was in response to THEIR request for US forces to depart. The Iraqis apparently understood what it meant - no idea why you don't

Next entertainment will be video of us blowing up another $$$$$ billion-dollar base we are evacuating. Very good look. Russians and Chinese will get access to more Diet Cokes and chips like in Syria.

...and your pal Vlad is in Damascus today meeting with Assad likely trying to figure out how to bomb more civilians and hospitals in Idlib.

[Typical Lax Dad]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

I though you were self moderating. Get back out on 5th Ave.

I am moderating my posts.

[seacoaster]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

I though you were self moderating. Get back out on 5th Ave.

You're getting a little prickly, even for you. Can we not just agree that the delivery of a draft statement to a foreign sovereign, with which we have a serious bilateral entanglement, relating to a material foreign affairs and military position, is amateur hour? Particularly for an erstwhile superpower in the hands of veteran military men and administrators? Disarray and material miscommunication is not pretty or professional. You just need to attach this to your hackneyed "TDS" narrative. Be honest for once. You'll feel better.

[Typical Lax Dad]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

I though you were self moderating. Get back out on 5th Ave.

You're getting a little prickly, even for you. Can we not just agree that the delivery of a draft statement to a foreign sovereign, with which we have a serious bilateral entanglement, relating to a material foreign affairs and military position, is amateur hour? Particularly for an erstwhile superpower in the hands of veteran military men and administrators? Disarray and material miscommunication is not pretty or professional. You just need to attach this to your hackneyed "TDS" narrative. Be honest for once. You'll feel better.

Unless you are under oath, not being honest is not a crime. Mike Flynn has been railroaded because he wasn’t told he would be in trouble for lying to investigators.

[old salt]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

You're kidding. The PM's office released the letter with a statement that they and Parliament went on the record that US troops should go and they released the letter to support those decisions. You expect them to release some sort of signed, serialized version of a letter they received from the Marine Commander in Baghdad......like "Are you sure you want to do this?" The letter was in response to THEIR request for US forces to depart. The Iraqis apparently understood what it meant - no idea why you don't

Next entertainment will be video of us blowing up another $$$$$ billion-dollar base we are evacuating. Very good look. Russians and Chinese will get access to more Diet Cokes and chips like in Syria.

...and your pal Vlad is in Damascus today meeting with Assad likely trying to figure out how to bomb more civilians and hospitals in Idlib.

The acting PM's office got their hands on a draft letter & they're now exploiting it.
This acting PM wants us to leave. They're using this to that end. Our useful idiot (D)'s & MSM are hyping Iranian proxy propaganda.
They still haven't shown a copy of a signed, serialized letter. Any document without that is a draft.
Admin snafu = Yes. Sinister or mixed message = No.
It's not that complicated. Gen Milley explained it 3 days ago :

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq ... SKBN1Z5255

“It (the draft letter) was sent over to some key Iraqi military guys in order to get things coordinated for air movements, etc. Then it went from that guy’s hands to another guy’s hands and then it went to your hands. Now it’s a kerfuffle,” Milley said.

Milley said the unsigned draft document was sent around to get input from Iraqi officials, the kind of thing he said he does regularly.

“I send drafts all over Washington D.C. that aren’t signed to get people’s input and feedback,” Milley said.

“The long and short of it is: It’s an honest mistake by people trying to do the right things in highly dynamic situations, etc. It should not have been sent.”

[old salt]

more good news for you, sailor - In addition to your pal Vlad offering advanced anti-aircraft weaponry to the Iraqis there's this just out.

"Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance."

Again, the PM's office confirmed and released the letter to the press when asked.

F-U-B-A-R ongoing.

Have you not realized that Old Salt can read minds?

Did they release copy of a signed, serialized letter, or the snafu draft ?

I though you were self moderating. Get back out on 5th Ave.

You're getting a little prickly, even for you. Can we not just agree that the delivery of a draft statement to a foreign sovereign, with which we have a serious bilateral entanglement, relating to a material foreign affairs and military position, is amateur hour? Particularly for an erstwhile superpower in the hands of veteran military men and administrators? Disarray and material miscommunication is not pretty or professional. You just need to attach this to your hackneyed "TDS" narrative. Be honest for once. You'll feel better.

I've repeatedly called it an admin SNAFU. Google that & stop being so prickly. I will continue swatting trolls & responding in kind.
A USMC Gen, acting in good faith with his coalition ally counterpart, got played, for propaganda purposes.

[Kismet]

The acting PM's office got their hands on a draft letter & they're now exploiting it.
This acting PM wants us to leave. They're using this to that end.

He got his hands on it because WE SENT IT TO HIM. It's his effing country and if he wants us to go as does his Parliament asking for the double-secret version of the same letter doesn't seem to matter to him. We killed not only Sulimani but an Iraqi citizen inside THEIR country....why shouldn't they be ticked off???

Great comment by terrorism expert Michael Weiss on Twitter
Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss
The US killed Soleimani and Muhandes but it couldn’t keep a Microsoft Word doc in Track Changes from leaking to the press. A fair encapsulation of America in 2020.

As for being useful idiots....you appear to be making a great case for yourself.
Almost as comical as Esper suggesting today at his press conference suggesting that the Iranians sit down and talk to us. No pre-conditions. What a sport!

NATO and Germany announcing they are pulling out or re-directing forces immediately. Expect the Brits and French to do same soon.

[old salt]

The acting PM's office got their hands on a draft letter & they're now exploiting it.
This acting PM wants us to leave. They're using this to that end.

He got his hands on it because WE SENT IT TO HIM. It's his effing country and if he wants us to go as does his Parliament asking for the double-secret version of the same letter doesn't seem to matter to him. We killed not only Sulimani but an Iraqi citizen inside THEIR country....why shouldn't they be ticked off???

As for being useful idiots....you appear to be making a great case for yourself.
Almost as comical as Esper suggesting today at his press conference suggesting that the Iranians sit down and talk to us. No pre-conditions. What a sport!

NATO and Germany announcing they are pulling out or re-directing forces immediately. Expect the Brits and French to do same soon.

No. We did not formally send it to the Iraqi govt. Our local commander shared an unsigned draft with his military counterpart, for planning purposes.

You're mixing issues. Iraqi PMF militias have been increasingly attacking US forces. They finally killed an American & wounded several more. When we attacked the PMF staging areas for the attacks, they attacked our Embassy. The Iraqi citizens we killed were in self defense, in the absence of the Iraqi govt protecting the coalition forces they invited into Iraq to protect them from being overrun by ISIS.

Stop being so prickly with the personal stuff. You're offending others sensibilities.

Serious question. Say we had yet to respond to the PMF attacks & we had the intel on Soleimani's plan (re. the Reuters article I quoted).
Given that threat & the Iraqi govt's failure to protect our forces & rein in the PMF, should we stay or withdraw (assuming that we had not yet responded with even the first counterattack) ?

[Kismet]

They SENT IT TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT

Prickly by me? Just responding to the dunderhead (YOU) who keeps trying to cover for these clowns who cannot seem to get much of anything right.

Lastly, we would not be facing all these decisions on withdrawal if the geniuses in charge did not order a kill shot on an Iranian leader and Iraqi national inside Iraq...and now you want to cry us a river that its the media and Iraqis who are trying to subvert our grand strategy which now likely results in us having to depart the country? Should have thought about THAT when they started this mess.

You cannot understand this? Aren't you a Naval Academy grad?

[old salt]

They SENT IT TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT

You cannot understand this? Aren't you a Naval Academy grad?

It was not official correspondence.
It was a heads up advance copy, sent to a LtGen in the IMOD, who was the counterpart of our local commander.
There's a course in SNAFU at USNA. This well intentioned Marine got "bilged" by his Iraqi counterpart.

You're dodging my question. Should we remain in Iraq if the Iraqi govt does not rein in their PMF militias & stop the attacks on US forces ?
...even if we had yet to counterattack, in any form ? It's ez to be brilliant in hindsight.

[CU88]

They SENT IT TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT

You cannot understand this? Aren't you a Naval Academy grad?

It was not official correspondence.
It was a heads up advance copy, sent to a LtGen in the IMOD, who was the counterpart of our local commander.
There's a course in SNAFU at USNA. This well intentioned Marine got "bilged" by his Iraqi counterpart.

In the o d administration, a tweet is Official Notice!

No?

[Trinity]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ting-probe

Trump Inaugural donor Imaad Shah Zuberi will cop to obstruction.

(Run clip of Justice Sam Alito highly insulted Obama said Citizens United opened wide the doors to foreign money.)

[Kismet]

They SENT IT TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT

You cannot understand this? Aren't you a Naval Academy grad?

It was not official correspondence.
It was a heads up advance copy, sent to a LtGen in the IMOD, who was the counterpart of our local commander.
There's a course in SNAFU at USNA. This well intentioned Marine got "bilged" by his Iraqi counterpart.

You're dodging my question. Should we remain in Iraq if the Iraqi govt does not rein in their PMF militias & stop the attacks on US forces ?
...even if we had yet to counterattack, in any form ? It's ez to be brilliant in hindsight.

We should not leave any of our people in country without proper protection and should have been prepared to tell the Iraqis this with regard to militia forces inside their country and part of their security forces. Did we not do this after the last set of attacks? Hard to believe we didn't....but then again with this crowd of buffoons, you never know.

In fact, if what you say is true about the Iraqis, I'd suggest leaving as they obviously cannot be trusted to discern a draft from the real thing apparently.

At this point, if the Iraqis ask us to leave, we should leave.

As my mother used to say, you made the bed and now you have to lie in it

As for being brilliant in hindsight, that's been your MO throughout the 8 years of the Obama administration. You second-guessed every move and decision they made.