Except for rural and most flyover States where they need the money from other States to keep the lights on....... then they "get religion", fleece their fellow taxpayers, and then (the best part) rail against socialism.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm My observation is that in the US we tend to be more comfortable with socialist enterprises that are locally administered.
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Holy cow! We have a consensus as to what our government leaders (well, and Putin) are doing!
Nice job, gentlemen. Take a bow.
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I don't think you understand what authoritarian means??...? Once someone at the Fed level has achieved authoritarian control of the government, there won't be elections - certainly not fair ones.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:41 pmboy, that's too logical.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:26 pmThe ballot box. Same as we do for the local government.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:21 pm My observation is that in the US we tend to be more comfortable with socialist enterprises that are locally administered. I think that is part of the idiot-savant nature of your average US citizen. Joe Sixpack tends to intuitively understand that power like that is more easily controlled when it is localized. In the US we have the best of both worlds, because when locally administered socialist enterprises go astray (think public schools in the 60's) the local citizens can go to the feds for protection (BrownvBoard of Education).
When the Federal Government has that power - who do we go to when it is abused?
When the black community wanted open access to schools - why didn't they just vote the suckers out at the "local" ballot box?.... I will wait..... the answer is they couldn't because they were either outnumbered or there weren't fair elections. SO, they had to go to the Feds.
so, you call these right wing? Then let me get this straight - if the military takes over it is somehow by definition "right wing" in your mind? The Nazi's (I assume those are the fascists to whom you refer) were socialists. Many (though not all) of the Asian and South American dictatorships were put in place under the name of some form of socialist or communist type of guiding principal.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm But quick question: what do you mean by "modern age" and "successful"?
Are you including fascism?
Are you including right wing dictatorships in South America, Asia, Africa, ME?
Modern age is 20th century. I purposely put successful in quotes. But what I meant by that was that someone actually took and held power for multiple decades. Or, in what appears to be the best barometer of success for a "socialist" government - their success in murdering a significant percentage of their own citizens in their rises to power.....
STILL somewhere back in the day....
...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
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This is why Trump’s thumbing his nose at American institutions and “his” political party cowering is dangerous. Wait until a true left wing nut gets in and justifies actions in the name of good. It won’t be so funny.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:35 pmI don't think you understand what authoritarian means??...? Once someone at the Fed level has achieved authoritarian control of the government, there won't be elections - certainly not fair ones.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:41 pmboy, that's too logical.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:26 pmThe ballot box. Same as we do for the local government.HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:21 pm My observation is that in the US we tend to be more comfortable with socialist enterprises that are locally administered. I think that is part of the idiot-savant nature of your average US citizen. Joe Sixpack tends to intuitively understand that power like that is more easily controlled when it is localized. In the US we have the best of both worlds, because when locally administered socialist enterprises go astray (think public schools in the 60's) the local citizens can go to the feds for protection (BrownvBoard of Education).
When the Federal Government has that power - who do we go to when it is abused?
When the black community wanted open access to schools - why didn't they just vote the suckers out at the "local" ballot box?.... I will wait..... the answer is they couldn't because they were either outnumbered or there weren't fair elections. SO, they had to go to the Feds.so, you call these right wing? Then let me get this straight - if the military takes over it is somehow by definition "right wing" in your mind? The Nazi's (I assume those are the fascists to whom you refer) were socialists. Many (though not all) of the Asian and South American dictatorships were put in place under the name of some form of socialist or communist type of guiding principal.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm But quick question: what do you mean by "modern age" and "successful"?
Are you including fascism?
Are you including right wing dictatorships in South America, Asia, Africa, ME?
Modern age is 20th century. I purposely put successful in quotes. But what I meant by that was that someone actually took and held power for multiple decades. Or, in what appears to be the best barometer of success for a "socialist" government - their success in murdering a significant percentage of their own citizens in their rises to power.....
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I don't think its funny now.
But I also don't think we are anywhere close to authoritarian rule, all the anti-Trump fantasies aside. He is crass, he is crude, but he has not governed with any less respect for the Constitution or the authority of law than Obama did. He just blusters a lot more beforehand. His twitter account is like having the radio frequency to a five-year old's inner thoughts....
He also had a GOP controlled congress for two years. If he was going institute "authoritarian rule" he would have done so then.
Our institutions are fine. Which is why we can weather Trump. And which is also why people should continue to keep any eye on him along with every other person in our government - because that is what our institutions allow and frankly depend upon.
But I also don't think we are anywhere close to authoritarian rule, all the anti-Trump fantasies aside. He is crass, he is crude, but he has not governed with any less respect for the Constitution or the authority of law than Obama did. He just blusters a lot more beforehand. His twitter account is like having the radio frequency to a five-year old's inner thoughts....
He also had a GOP controlled congress for two years. If he was going institute "authoritarian rule" he would have done so then.
Our institutions are fine. Which is why we can weather Trump. And which is also why people should continue to keep any eye on him along with every other person in our government - because that is what our institutions allow and frankly depend upon.
STILL somewhere back in the day....
...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
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The Courts have done just fine with Trump. Approved lawful EO's. Struck down unlawful EO's.
Old Salt is quite correct when he says that our Institutions are holding up well.
Where Trump is killing us is all the behind the scenes stuff at the Dept. of Agriculture, Dept. of Energy, EPA, where he's systematically dismantling
their ability to govern.
We'll be reading about that stuff when he has left office, and it's too late to fix the damage....
Old Salt is quite correct when he says that our Institutions are holding up well.
Where Trump is killing us is all the behind the scenes stuff at the Dept. of Agriculture, Dept. of Energy, EPA, where he's systematically dismantling
their ability to govern.
We'll be reading about that stuff when he has left office, and it's too late to fix the damage....
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AOC just voted with the chickenhawk war mongers in funding the illegal surveillance of US citizens
H R 3494: To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2020 for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, the Community Management Account, and the Central Intelligence Agency Retirement and Disability System, and for other purposes
AOC, She voted AYE, along with 396 other members of the US Congress. 226 Dem/171 Rep.
Could have gone on the TAATS thread, but AOC sure knows when to support the donor bloodline. Nancy taught her to roll over. And only months old
H R 3494: To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2020 for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, the Community Management Account, and the Central Intelligence Agency Retirement and Disability System, and for other purposes
AOC, She voted AYE, along with 396 other members of the US Congress. 226 Dem/171 Rep.
Could have gone on the TAATS thread, but AOC sure knows when to support the donor bloodline. Nancy taught her to roll over. And only months old
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Why will we be reading this stuff once he is out in 2021? Did it happen to Bush? Obama? Timmy Geithner still need help with his taxes? Monsanto hitting the WH on a daily basis. Monsanto cabinet members today?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:54 pm The Courts have done just fine with Trump. Approved lawful EO's. Struck down unlawful EO's.
Old Salt is quite correct when he says that our Institutions are holding up well.
Where Trump is killing us is all the behind the scenes stuff at the Dept. of Agriculture, Dept. of Energy, EPA, where he's systematically dismantling
their ability to govern.
We'll be reading about that stuff when he has left office, and it's too late to fix the damage....
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"I see far".... I am not concerned with Trump being an authoritarian.. you look at the quality of his judicial appointments? (Not the Supreme Court justices).. "I see far"HooDat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:49 pm I don't think its funny now.
But I also don't think we are anywhere close to authoritarian rule, all the anti-Trump fantasies aside. He is crass, he is crude, but he has not governed with any less respect for the Constitution or the authority of law than Obama did. He just blusters a lot more beforehand. His twitter account is like having the radio frequency to a five-year old's inner thoughts....
He also had a GOP controlled congress for two years. If he was going institute "authoritarian rule" he would have done so then.
Our institutions are fine. Which is why we can weather Trump. And which is also why people should continue to keep any eye on him along with every other person in our government - because that is what our institutions allow and frankly depend upon.
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I have not read the book I see far....are you referring to it in your quotes?
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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Line from an old Anne Rice book. Can’t remember which book.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:37 pm I have not read the book I see far....are you referring to it in your quotes?
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Never knew how much you hate 50% of your customers.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:06 pmExcept for rural and most flyover States where they need the money from other States to keep the lights on....... then they "get religion", fleece their fellow taxpayers, and then (the best part) rail against socialism.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm My observation is that in the US we tend to be more comfortable with socialist enterprises that are locally administered.
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then they "get religion", fleece their fellow taxpayers, and then (the best part) rail against socialism. Sounds so benevolent!
Nah you don't hate them much.
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Lately, it's the Republicans and other delusional righties who have been doing that a lot more often than anyone else.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
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Dodged my question, like always. Have you changed your mind? Are you happy that your tax dollars are taken out of your State, and into mine?
If so, we're all set, my work is done here, and you can stop complaining. You're a moderate or a liberal.
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Your question has nothing to do with the obvious contempt you have for your fellow Americans.
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Pot meet kettle. Can't think of another poster who despises millions of people....anyone with the letter D is the devil with you.
I am 100% guilty of despising those who complain about government handouts, and then turn around and take more money from taxpayers than anyone else in America. Either don't complain about handouts, or don't take them. Pick one, and we're right as rain.....
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Actually, that was quoting Hoodat, not me.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:06 pmExcept for rural and most flyover States where they need the money from other States to keep the lights on....... then they "get religion", fleece their fellow taxpayers, and then (the best part) rail against socialism.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm My observation is that in the US we tend to be more comfortable with socialist enterprises that are locally administered.