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More creepy White Christian Nationalism and the Trump-Vance Campaign. Disqualifying:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... e-wallnau/

"Republican vice-presidential candidate JD Vance appeared Saturday at a town hall event organized by top Christian nationalist leaders who promote election denialism and portray Vice President Kamala Harris as a “demon.”

The event’s host, Lance Wallnau, who emceed the live event and introduced Vance’s first town hall on the campaign trail, is a leading figure in the fast-growing New Apostolic Reformation, a movement that preaches Christian supremacy through a blend of prophecy and hard-right politics.

Though a campaign official said Vance and Wallnau didn’t speak to each other, Vance’s appearance at Saturday’s event was the latest example of the Trump campaign intersecting with once-fringe figures who now have wide followings.

On Saturday, Vance sat down with Pastor Jason Howard to talk about drug addiction and answer questions from pre-selected audience members. He described his faith journey and political beliefs as he courted the crowd in western Pennsylvania, promising the audience that the Trump administration would enact policies guaranteeing that if they “work hard and play by the rules, you can afford a good life in this country.” Polls show former president Donald Trump and Harris neck and neck in the crucial swing state.

Vance spokesman Luke Schroeder sidestepped questions about Wallnau’s extremism, saying instead that Vance and his mother, Beverly, who was with him at the event, “were thankful for the opportunity to call attention to the millions of Americans who are struggling with addiction.” Schroeder also said it was “a disgrace that the media would rather distract Americans from Kamala’s failures than give struggling Americans the spotlight they deserve.”

Last weekend, Vance appeared on the “Tucker Carlson Live” show after Carlson praised Holocaust revisionist Darryl Cooper, who falsely claimed that the Nazis’ genocide of Jewish people was a logistical error. Vance said at the time that he supported free speech.

“The Holocaust was a terrible tragedy, and it’s something that we have to make sure never gets repeated again in this country,” Vance told reporters ahead of his Carlson event. “The best way to ensure that doesn’t happen is to debate and push back against bad ideas. It’s not to try to censor and suppress them.”

For his part, Wallnau has previously cast Harris as both a demon and Jezebel, the biblical symbol of womanly wickedness. He has said on his podcast that Harris represents “the spirit of Jezebel in a way that will be even more ominous than Hillary [Clinton] because she’ll bring a racial component, and she’s younger.”

Vance’s appearances with Carlson and on Wallnau’s live show Saturday have brought condemnation from Democrats, who criticize him for aligning with conspiracy theorists.

“While Vance and Donald Trump are peddling lies, stoking division, and clinging to the past because they have no solutions to lead us forward, Kamala Harris is leading us into a future of opportunity for all Americans,” Harris campaign spokeswoman Sarafina Chitika said in a statement.

Faithful America, a Christian group focused on social justice, said in its petition that Wallnau is a “false prophet” who was “spewing fear and hate in the name of Jesus.”

In a Facebook video Friday, Wallnau filmed himself promoting Vance’s appearance and claiming that 15,000 people had signed a petition against his event, called the Courage Tour.

“They’ve got this crazy narrative, the left,” Wallnau said in the video. “Why is the left adversarial to Christians, and why are pastors and churches actually voting with the left? They’re attacking Christians.”

Wallnau is known for advocating Christian dominion over the “seven mountains” of society: religion, family, government, education, business, media, and arts and entertainment.

MAGA ideology is woven throughout the movement, with prophets and apostles sharing pro-Trump visions and declaring “spiritual warfare” against his opponents — sometimes invoking biblical language that extremism researchers say masks violent or racist messaging. Video footage documents the movement’s presence among the crowds that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

“It’s a conquest narrative. That, combined with the election denialism, is concerning,” said Karrie Gaspard-Hogewood, a sociologist at Tulane University who studies Christian nationalism.

She said it’s hard to imagine that Vance would be unaware of Wallnau’s well-documented views, which were featured in a CBS Evening News segment this month. That includes election denialism, warning of an impending “fiery trial” over ideologies and disparaging Harris.

Gaspard-Hogewood said Vance’s appearance at the Courage Tour lends credence to Wallnau’s extremist views.

“The message it sends is that Vance is not against what Lance Wallnau is saying and preaching,” Gaspard-Hogewood said."
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It is now clear, the pro-abortion side of the argument is winning. It has long time "anti-abortion" politicians changing their stripes, or at least trying to convince voters. MD's Larry Hogan has in the past few days started running ads that he supports a federal law that reinstitutes Roe v Wade. He has always in the past made it clear he is a good Christian and opposed to abortion (as recently as last week). Hogan is finding he is losing to the "no-name" democratic candidate he is running against for MD Senator. I doubt that will work for him. The democratic support he will need to win the election also recognizes he would caucus with the republiCONs. Just another politician, saying whatever they think it will take.
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Yesterday in Michigan, Trump is asked what actions he would take to ensure American-made cars could continue to compete. His answer is a deep dive into industrial policy and the world of international trade. Here it is, and baby I am sold: Trump 47!!!

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1839817819070071073
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:12 am Yesterday in Michigan, Trump is asked what actions he would take to ensure American-made cars could continue to compete. His answer is a deep dive into industrial policy and the world of international trade. Here it is, and baby I am sold: Trump 47!!!

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1839817819070071073
Babbling idiot :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
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Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:01 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:12 am Yesterday in Michigan, Trump is asked what actions he would take to ensure American-made cars could continue to compete. His answer is a deep dive into industrial policy and the world of international trade. Here it is, and baby I am sold: Trump 47!!!

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1839817819070071073
Babbling idiot :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
If you can take it, check this thread of clips from his speech" in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin:

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1840111251289993308

And then tell yourself that this is the guy YA and OS and some others here, and millions elsewhere, think is a better choice than Harris and Walz.

The utter failure of the Fourth Estate, too, seems nearly complete.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:05 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:01 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:12 am Yesterday in Michigan, Trump is asked what actions he would take to ensure American-made cars could continue to compete. His answer is a deep dive into industrial policy and the world of international trade. Here it is, and baby I am sold: Trump 47!!!

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1839817819070071073
Babbling idiot :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
If you can take it, check this thread of clips from his speech" in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin:

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1840111251289993308

And then tell yourself that this is the guy YA and OS and some others here, and millions elsewhere, think is a better choice than Harris and Walz.

The utter failure of the Fourth Estate, too, seems nearly complete.
Sadly, the Orange moron is good for ratings and clicks. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:05 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:01 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:12 am Yesterday in Michigan, Trump is asked what actions he would take to ensure American-made cars could continue to compete. His answer is a deep dive into industrial policy and the world of international trade. Here it is, and baby I am sold: Trump 47!!!

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1839817819070071073
Babbling idiot :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
If you can take it, check this thread of clips from his speech" in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin:

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1840111251289993308

And then tell yourself that this is the guy YA and OS and some others here, and millions elsewhere, think is a better choice than Harris and Walz.

The utter failure of the Fourth Estate, too, seems nearly complete.
It’s remarkable how little attention his decline and absurdity is getting. Biden was in decline but wasn’t absurd.
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Excerpt from the Orange BabyMan's "speech" in Pennsylvania:

https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1840 ... 33/photo/2

Randy's candidate, telling us the streets will be purified by one lawless day of violence. Presidential material here, huh?
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:49 am Excerpt from the Orange BabyMan's "speech" in Pennsylvania:

https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1840 ... 33/photo/2

Randy's candidate, telling us the streets will be purified by one lawless day of violence. Presidential material here, huh?
So who won the VP debate?? ;)
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:49 am Excerpt from the Orange BabyMan's "speech" in Pennsylvania:

https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1840 ... 33/photo/2

Randy's candidate, telling us the streets will be purified by one lawless day of violence. Presidential material here, huh?
Kristallnacht in America. Swell.

He's really losing it - saying all this garbage for the media attention because he's losing yet again.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:59 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:49 am Excerpt from the Orange BabyMan's "speech" in Pennsylvania:

https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1840 ... 33/photo/2

Randy's candidate, telling us the streets will be purified by one lawless day of violence. Presidential material here, huh?
So who won the VP debate?? ;)
Walz. Thanks for coming!!
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Kristallnacht, and the plan to round them up and "deport" them:

https://www.publicnotice.co/p/trump-mas ... -explained

"This past weekend, Trump turned his violent and dehumanizing rhetoric up to 11, proclaiming during an event in Prairie du Chien, Wisconsin, that migrants “will walk into your kitchen, they’ll cut your throat.”

“These people are animals,” Trump said, vowing that "I will liberate Wisconsin from this mass migrant invasion of murderers, rapists, hoodlums, drug dealers, thugs, and vicious gang members. We're going to liberate our country."

This Trumpian dystopia bears no resemblance to reality. Trump went as far as to claim that “hundreds of little cities and little towns" in the Midwest are being "occupied" by migrants with "MK-47s."

As untethered from reality as he is, Trump is deadly serious about attempting deportation on an unprecedented scale. Even making an attempt to round up that many people would lead to horrific suffering and the weaponizing of state terror against immigrants, Latinos, Black people, and Trump’s partisan enemies.

In short, Trump is calling for a massive military operation that seems designed to lead to economic misery, concentration camps, and mass death.

Mass deportation would be massively expensive

Experts are skeptical that Trump could enact his terrifying deportation agenda in part because to do so would require vast amounts of money. The funds would have to come from Congress, and even far right legislators are likely to balk at the cost.

In 2023, ICE deported 142,580 people with a budget of $420 million. Trump wants to deport at minimum 10 million individuals; proportionally, that would cost about $30 billion.

There would be huge additional costs as well. ICE currently spends some $2.4 billion a year on 41,500 detainee beds. Trump is calling for more than 10 times as much deportation; the cost for warehousing immigrants could also be tens of billions of dollars.

Even that’s only scratching the surface of the cost. Immigrants contribute to the economy by paying taxes, performing needed jobs, and providing income for households that include US citizens.

Undocumented people paid $96.7 billion in taxes in 2022; that’s all money that would be lost if Trump got his wish. In addition, the Center for Migration studies estimates that if a third of US citizen children of undocumented immigrants remain in the US after their parents are deported, the state would end up spending $118 billion to care for them. GDP could contract 1.4 percent in the first year. Losses could total $4.7 trillion over a decade.

As the Washington Monthly argues, deporting 11 million immigrants would cause a national labor contraction and recession; there could be 968,000 job losses for American citizens. National wage and salary income could fall by $317.2 billion. Total deportation costs could be $265 billion.

In short, it’s impossible to fully anticipate or predict the cost of such a huge, wasteful, ill-considered program. But Trump’s deportation nightmare is likely to make the country poorer by trillions of dollars. Recession, contraction, and economic misery will afflict the US for years, and possibly decades.

The economic implications are horrible. But they aren’t the worst part.

Mass deportation will lead to mass human rights abuses

Analysts have struggled to quantify and describe the human rights implications of Trump’s deportation strategy. A militarized force going door to door throughout the country with sweeping powers to arrest anyone they deem suspicious is obviously going to lead to monstrous abuses.

Trump has also said that he would be open to creating mass concentration camps at the border to warehouse undocumented people. He’s claimed these camps would be temporary since he plans to deport people quickly — but it’s easy to imagine hundreds of thousands of people housed in “temporary” facilities without adequate food or water, subject to rampant disease and violence from guards.

There are at least some historical blueprints that can give us a sense of how dangerous and vicious a mass deportation program could be.

Trump has repeatedly touted the Eisenhower-era Operation Wetback, named for a racist slur, as an inspiration for his policy. The operation was conducted by a task force of around 800 agents, who set up roadblocks and raided homes and workplaces in 1954 and 1955.

Eisenhower’s deportation program ejected between 300,000 and 1.3 million people in 1954-1955. The Mexican government helped, in hopes that returned migrants would help with the country’s labor shortage.

Even so, the operation, was, not surprisingly, a humanitarian nightmare. Immigrants were jammed into cargo ships traveling from Texas to Veracruz, with conditions congressional investigators compared to an “eighteenth-century slave ship.” Many were simply dumped in the desert; in one incident 88 people died of heatstroke. Historians believe that US citizens were swept up in the stings and deported, but no one is sure of how many.

Another incident with some parallels to Trump’s proposed program is the Armenian genocide of 1915-1916. The Turkish ethnic cleansing of Armenians began with large scale murders by army troops. But it progressed to a system of mass deportation of the 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. All together, probably a million Armenians died during the deportation, either murdered outright or succumbing to starvation and exposure.

Finally, we can get some sense of what Trump policy in a second term would be like by looking at Trump policy in his first term. Trump created concentration camps at the southern border, and separated some 5,000 children from their families. No records were kept, so restoring children to their parents was difficult and in many cases impossible.

More, reporting found that this was not an accidental error. The Trump administration separated children from parents as a punishment, hoping that by traumatizing families they would discourage other people from crossing the border.

Trump, then, sees cruelty, violence, and horror as a feature, not a bug, in deportation and immigration policy. He also makes little distinction between legal and undocumented people; he and his running mate JD Vance have been promising to deport Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, even though those immigrants are documented, legal, and employed. (As you can see in the clip below, Vance during a recent speech said “I’m still gonna call them an illegal alien” of such legal migrants.)"

But sure, let's vote for a bigoted proto-fascist!!!!!
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Wow... nice to see you've finally discovered substack! Now you just need to start reading the relevant writers :D
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tech37 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:52 am
Wow... nice to see you've finally discovered substack! Now you just need to start reading the relevant writers :D
Been reading various substacks for years. Not Glenn.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:08 am
tech37 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:52 am
Wow... nice to see you've finally discovered substack! Now you just need to start reading the relevant writers :D
Been reading various substacks for years. Not Glenn.
Huh, apologies. Thought you were one of the guys on here opposed to alternative media. Sorry about Glenn... oh well.
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tech37 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:13 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:08 am
tech37 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:52 am
Wow... nice to see you've finally discovered substack! Now you just need to start reading the relevant writers :D
Been reading various substacks for years. Not Glenn.
Huh, apologies. Thought you were one of the guys on here opposed to alternative media. Sorry about Glenn... oh well.
No worries; at my core I am still a media dinosaur I suppose. But I read maybe five or six substack publications, of varying quality, some really good, some...not so much.
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https://www.threads.net/@aaron.rupar/po ... LXZRNgfy2g


The future President of The United States of America
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We’re not supposed to take this literally.

But we are supposed to still take it seriously?
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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