Is America a racist nation?

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jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:02 pm This is the Trump era, hate has been given "permission" against all minorities, not just Jews. Don't conflate dislike of / hate of the Israeli government for hate of Jews.
That is not the message being put forth by young skulls full of mush on elite college campuses all over America. Hating Jews is almost a right of passage if you want to fit in today at your university. Odd how with all of the love overflowing on college campuses so many Jewish students are afraid for their lives. They must be imagining the anger and the hatred. :roll:
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:12 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:02 pm This is the Trump era, hate has been given "permission" against all minorities, not just Jews. Don't conflate dislike of / hate of the Israeli government for hate of Jews.
That is not the message being put forth by young skulls full of mush on elite college campuses all over America. Hating Jews is almost a right of passage if you want to fit in today at your university. Odd how with all of the love overflowing on college campuses so many Jewish students are afraid for their lives. They must be imagining the anger and the hatred. :roll:
Well said, C&S. I appreciate your down-to-earth common sense on these boards. Not many with you in that respect.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:12 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:02 pm This is the Trump era, hate has been given "permission" against all minorities, not just Jews. Don't conflate dislike of / hate of the Israeli government for hate of Jews.
That is not the message being put forth by young skulls full of mush on elite college campuses all over America. Hating Jews is almost a right of passage if you want to fit in today at your university. Odd how with all of the love overflowing on college campuses so many Jewish students are afraid for their lives. They must be imagining the anger and the hatred. :roll:
Well said, C&S. I appreciate your down-to-earth common sense on these boards. Not many with you in that respect.
A little something I relearned again yesterday. Bibis brother Yoni was the leader of the Israeli commandos who participated in the raid at Entebbe. He was the only Israeli soldier killed in the attack. He also went to Harvard . I betcha Harvard was a different place back then. Not that it matters to the haters on this forum but it could explain why Bibi is such a hard liner. When terrorists like Hamas threaten the very existence of Israel he takes the threat seriously. That is also something that the haters on this forum don't like. Bibi actually has skin in the game his brother died serving his country.
The haters demand that Bibi and Israel play nicey nice yet put no such demands on Hamas. There is that term that liberals love to toss around about " leveling the playing field" Perhaps, and I know this is crazy talk, but not demanding the destruction of Israel ie... wiping them off the face of earth then that would go a long way towards leveling the playing field.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:20 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:12 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:02 pm This is the Trump era, hate has been given "permission" against all minorities, not just Jews. Don't conflate dislike of / hate of the Israeli government for hate of Jews.
That is not the message being put forth by young skulls full of mush on elite college campuses all over America. Hating Jews is almost a right of passage if you want to fit in today at your university. Odd how with all of the love overflowing on college campuses so many Jewish students are afraid for their lives. They must be imagining the anger and the hatred. :roll:
Well said, C&S. I appreciate your down-to-earth common sense on these boards. Not many with you in that respect.
A little something I relearned again yesterday. Bibis brother Yoni was the leader of the Israeli commandos who participated in the raid at Entebbe. He was the only Israeli soldier killed in the attack. He also went to Harvard . I betcha Harvard was a different place back then. Not that it matters to the haters on this forum but it could explain why Bibi is such a hard liner. When terrorists like Hamas threaten the very existence of Israel he takes the threat seriously. That is also something that the haters on this forum don't like. Bibi actually has skin in the game his brother died serving his country.
The haters demand that Bibi and Israel play nicey nice yet put no such demands on Hamas. There is that term that liberals love to toss around about " leveling the playing field" Perhaps, and I know this is crazy talk, but not demanding the destruction of Israel ie... wiping them off the face of earth then that would go a long way towards leveling the playing field.
The number of double standards applied to Israel and Jewish people are, at the very least, mind-numbing. Bibi is from a long line of Israeli leaders who believe that Israel's right to exist is preeminent. Others don't like it? They can rub it on their collective neck. (One of my dad's old sayings.) Israel is concerned with more pressing matters--like the very survival of the people of Israel.

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The ADL Campus Antisemitism Report Card gets an ‘F’ from me
The ADL is supposed to be grading how the university handled antisemitic incidents on campus, not whether they happened to begin with
JUN 19, 2024


The ADL has apparently revised the Campus Antisemitism Report Card it originally issued this past April. Unfortunately, the methodology used in creating it remains woefully deficient. As a result, the Report Card continues to disseminate flawed, incomplete, and thus highly misleading information to students and their parents who deserve far better. It decidedly does not correspond to what I have seen and experienced on campus.

Worse, to the best of my knowledge, no one from the ADL visited Cornell or spoke to faculty or students on site. I suspect that the same is true at other colleges and universities. And it is noteworthy that Hillel rabbis and directors have not been part of the ADL process, meaning that the Jewish perspective of Hillel personnel on campuses – who know best precisely what is happening there – is nowhere to be found. This in and of itself is one of the Report Card’s glaring deficiencies.

I am an adjunct professor of law at Cornell Law School and I have observed conditions at Cornell both before and after October 7. In the fall, I taught a course on the law of genocide at the law school, and this past semester, I taught courses on antisemitism in the courts and in jurisprudence for both law students and undergraduates. I have also been a lecturer-in-law at Columbia Law School since 2011, and I am general counsel emeritus of the World Jewish Congress, the international Jewish human rights organization that represents more than 100 Jewish communities across the globe. Fighting against all manifestations of antisemitism was a central part of my day job until I stepped down as the WJC’s general counsel and associate executive vice president at the end of August 2023.

That is not to say that antisemitism is not alive and fomenting at Cornell just as it is at other university and college campuses throughout the US. and elsewhere. That was the case long before October 7. Since then, antisemitism has surged exponentially at Cornell, as it has on other campuses. Repeatedly, legitimate support for the Palestinians in Gaza and equally legitimate opposition to the policies of the present Israeli government have morphed into expressed desires for the eradication of Israel as a nation state and the vilification of its supporters, far too often in blatantly antisemitic terms.

But the ADL Report Card isn’t meant to – and doesn’t – catalogue antisemitic incidents. It purports to evaluate how the respective universities and colleges have addressed and handled antisemitism since October 7.

For instance, the Report Card acknowledges that the two high profile incidents of last fall – the threats of physical violence against Jewish students and Professor Russell Rickford’s declaration that he was “exhilarated” by Hamas’ brutality – resulted in the arrest of the student who had made the threats and Rickford’s at least temporary suspension. The Report Card does not criticize the way the Cornell’s administration handled either of these situations or suggest that they should have been treated differently.

The Report Card highlights the various actions Cornell has taken since October 7, without in any way suggesting that these were somehow inadequate. According to the ADL, “The University has undertaken a review of public safety operations, launched a new lecture series exploring critical issues around antisemitism and anti-Muslim hate, created two advisory groups, and is organizing trainings. Cornell also released a new policy clarifying that protests may not compromise the safety of others or interfere with University operations, and a policy forbidding the release of personal information of students or staff used or intended to threaten or intimidate others. The school has also spoken out against professors promoting personal beliefs in class, and President Martha Pollack has been consistently outspoken with respect to denouncing antisemitism on campus.”

In its update, the ADL added, “In May 2024, an 18-day encampment led to the suspension of six students, but no major incidents or arrests took place. Following the end of the encampment, President Pollack was criticized for expressing gratitude to the protestors for remaining peaceful.”

What the ADL Report Card fails (or refuses) to mention is that in contrast with other campuses, as reported at the time by JTA, “No deals were struck” by the Cornell administration to close down the encampment and that the students “simply left of their own accord.”

Surely avoiding any violent incidents without giving in to the demonstrators’ demands should count for something.

I can personally attest to the fact that the senior members of the Cornell administration have done their utmost to guide the university through what amounts to a global antisemitism pandemic in a sensitive and above all fair manner, encouraging dialogue in which diverse views can be expressed, and in so doing have provided Jewish as well as Muslim students with a safe learning environment.

A student of mine, Dylan Kossar, wrote a superb paper for my class on antisemitism in the courts and in jurisprudence in which she examined and analyzed the realities at Cornell in the way the ADL could have done, should have done, but didn’t. She concluded that the grade given to the university by the ADL was more a reflection of the serious nature of the above-mentioned two incidents that occurred last fall rather than of the satisfactory way in which they were handled by Cornell’s administration. Ms. Kossar went on to say (I am quoting from her paper with her approval):

“My grade for Cornell is a B. Based on the incidents that have taken place – and are still taking place – on campus, I cannot give an A. But I do feel supported by administration and their responses to antisemitic incidents. . . . I think the University was judged too harshly. I believe this is because the ADL focused on events that took place on campus without truly considering the University’s reaction. Students can see first-hand if their administration cares.”

Let’s see now. A “D” from a bunch of folks somewhere in a Manhattan office who have no firsthand or even secondhand knowledge of what’s been happening at Cornell, or a “B” from a law student, class of ’24, Articles Editor of the Cornell Law Review, and member of the Jewish Law Students Association, if you please, who has spent the past harrowing eight months in Ithaca actually experiencing both the good and the bad there. Which do you think is a more valid and more reliable assessment?

That’s what I figured.

The bottom line is that Cornell, its students, its faculty, and its administrators deserved far better from the ADL than the perfunctory and largely opaque treatment to which they were subjected in the Report Card. And parents and prospective students alike should be reassured that Cornell is a university that in fact cares deeply about and for its Jewish students, as it does about and for all its students.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
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Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
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Is this racism? https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1803181828833980766

Does not appear that DEI is working properly in Chicago

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youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I think we already know where ONW is coming from on a series of issues.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I think we already know where ONW is coming from on a series of issues.
In the same vein that we know where your coming from on a series of issues. 8-)
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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:48 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I think we already know where ONW is coming from on a series of issues.
In the same vein that we know where your coming from on a series of issues. 8-)
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I hear you. Getting worse and worse... All the education in the world won't help get rid of racism.
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I remember all the hate and vitriol against Jews right after Trump was elected. Graffitied swastikas, other nazi stuff and bomb threats.

I know Biden has condemned the more recent anti-semitism. Don't think Trump ever did when he was in office. Trump certainly thinks there's "very fine people" among the white supremacist / nazi groups, including those chanting "Jews will not replace us!".
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"The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: The liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor."

"And by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white liberals and the white conservatives."

"The American Negro is nothing but a political football, and the white liberals control this ball through tricks or tokenism, false promises of integration and civil rights."

"In this game of deceiving and using the American Negro, the white liberals have complete cooperation of the Negro civil rights leader who sell our people out for a few crumbs of token recognition, token gains, token progress."

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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:48 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I think we already know where ONW is coming from on a series of issues.
In the same vein that we know where your coming from on a series of issues. 8-)
ahh, but you misrepresent me frequently. ;)

Sure, I hope I'm transparent about my views and how my background and experiences relevannt to such topics inform those views. Not everyone is as open about that. (you are). I'm hopefully also humble enough to recognize that my knowledge has limitations and that others' experiences and knowledge lead to valid views different than mine....that's why we participate, to share and learn from one another.

I have no interest in bludgeoning others though sometimes a feel like it's appropriate!
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:37 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:48 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I think we already know where ONW is coming from on a series of issues.
In the same vein that we know where your coming from on a series of issues. 8-)
ahh, but you misrepresent me frequently. ;)

Sure, I hope I'm transparent about my views and how my background and experiences relevannt to such topics inform those views. Not everyone is as open about that. (you are). I'm hopefully also humble enough to recognize that my knowledge has limitations and that others' experiences and knowledge lead to valid views different than mine....that's why we participate, to share and learn from one another.

I have no interest in bludgeoning others though sometimes a feel like it's appropriate!
You misrepresent yourself frequently all of your own accord. I'm just willing to point it out to you. I'm still holding out hope that someday you'll say something that a lifetime Republican would be expected to say. You have failed miserably in that respect ever since I have been reading your posts. The final nail in the coffin was you as a lifetime Republican becoming a rabid member of the I love Joe Biden club. I would really love to see you thrown into a roomful of actual Republicans and explain to all of them your undying love for Joe Biden. Betcha you would get a free flying lesson. 8-) Correct me if I'm wrong but don't actual Republicans disagree with Biden and his policies? You have had a viable and realistic option available to you for awhile now. IMO you feel you can do more harm to Republicans by continuing your charade that your still one of them.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:26 pm "The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: The liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor."

"And by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white liberals and the white conservatives."

"The American Negro is nothing but a political football, and the white liberals control this ball through tricks or tokenism, false promises of integration and civil rights."

"In this game of deceiving and using the American Negro, the white liberals have complete cooperation of the Negro civil rights leader who sell our people out for a few crumbs of token recognition, token gains, token progress."

--Malcolm X
It's easy to see which group has done more for civil rights in America and it's not even close. But sure, there's plenty of hypocrites and self-serving liberals out there too.

The Nation of Islam has a very rich history of hating Jews.

"All I held against Jews was that so many Jews actually were hypocrites in their claim to be friends of the American black man." - Malcolm X

"But let’s not forget the Jew. Anybody that gives even a just criticism of the Jew is instantly labeled anti-Semite. The Jew cries louder than anybody else if anybody criticizes him. You can tell the truth about any minority in America, but make a true observation about the Jew, and if it doesn’t 't pat him on the back, then he uses his grip on the news media to label you anti-Semite." - Malcolm X

"the satanic Jews that control everything, and mostly everybody, if they are your enemy, you must, must be somebody." - Louis Farrakhan
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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:51 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:37 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:48 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:21 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:43 am Take cover, OuttaNowhereWregget....prepare for incoming.
I think we already know where ONW is coming from on a series of issues.
In the same vein that we know where your coming from on a series of issues. 8-)
ahh, but you misrepresent me frequently. ;)

Sure, I hope I'm transparent about my views and how my background and experiences relevannt to such topics inform those views. Not everyone is as open about that. (you are). I'm hopefully also humble enough to recognize that my knowledge has limitations and that others' experiences and knowledge lead to valid views different than mine....that's why we participate, to share and learn from one another.

I have no interest in bludgeoning others though sometimes a feel like it's appropriate!
You misrepresent yourself frequently all of your own accord. I'm just willing to point it out to you. I'm still holding out hope that someday you'll say something that a lifetime Republican would be expected to say. You have failed miserably in that respect ever since I have been reading your posts. The final nail in the coffin was you as a lifetime Republican becoming a rabid member of the I love Joe Biden club. I would really love to see you thrown into a roomful of actual Republicans and explain to all of them your undying love for Joe Biden. Betcha you would get a free flying lesson. 8-) Correct me if I'm wrong but don't actual Republicans disagree with Biden and his policies? You have had a viable and realistic option available to you for awhile now. IMO you feel you can do more harm to Republicans by continuing your charade that your still one of them.
Sure, many RINOs, which is what you (and MAGA-world) seem to wish to label people like me and a large host of other lifelong Republicans, find lots to disagree with Biden about. But when it comes to a choice between a MAGA 'new' Republican or someone like, say, Hogan, we're going to go Hogan easy peasy and all day Sunday. And if it's a MAGA type versus any moderate Dem, that too is easy peasy, all day. It would require a real flamer nut job on the left to make us scratch our heads and actually vote for MAGA in power. And I doubt I would.

And Biden ain't a flamer lefty.

Think of it this way, if you will: substitute MAGA label for NAZI.
Makes it easy to reject, right?

Heck of a lot of 'conservative' and moderate-conservative pro democracy Germans were put to death or fled the Nazis. Along with Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled, and pro democracy liberals and communists. Of course, many other 'conservatives' tried to pretend to themselves that fascism had actual merit and that they could profit by being aligned. They may well have been seduced by all the nationalist rhetoric as well, but that's more true red and black NAZI.

But how did that turn out for them? And the world?

Hugely important these a-holes never gain that level of power, right?
And to those of us Republicans who are pro democracy, that's the existential question.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:02 pm
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:26 pm "The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: The liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor."

"And by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white liberals and the white conservatives."

"The American Negro is nothing but a political football, and the white liberals control this ball through tricks or tokenism, false promises of integration and civil rights."

"In this game of deceiving and using the American Negro, the white liberals have complete cooperation of the Negro civil rights leader who sell our people out for a few crumbs of token recognition, token gains, token progress."

--Malcolm X
It's easy to see which group has done more for civil rights in America and it's not even close. But sure, there's plenty of hypocrites and self-serving liberals out there too.

The Nation of Islam has a very rich history of hating Jews.

"All I held against Jews was that so many Jews actually were hypocrites in their claim to be friends of the American black man." - Malcolm X

"But let’s not forget the Jew. Anybody that gives even a just criticism of the Jew is instantly labeled anti-Semite. The Jew cries louder than anybody else if anybody criticizes him. You can tell the truth about any minority in America, but make a true observation about the Jew, and if it doesn’t 't pat him on the back, then he uses his grip on the news media to label you anti-Semite." - Malcolm X

"the satanic Jews that control everything, and mostly everybody, if they are your enemy, you must, must be somebody." - Louis Farrakhan
Yup, a very ugly part of that cult.

Notwithstanding Malcolm X's more righteous efforts to raise African Americans' standing in America, the bigotry was quite ugly. Farrahkhan much worse still.
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