wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 9:16 pm
Laxguy703 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 8:41 pm
coda wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 7:41 pm
Laxguy703 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2024 6:46 pm
If Shelly can put up 4+ points against UMD and advance to the finals, he will be a lock. He has historically been locked down by Ajax so if he can put up some numbers against the best defender in college lacrosse and bring his team to the national championship, I don’t see how they don’t give it to him regardless of how the final plays out.
Kav is an all time great, but I don’t see him getting it due to how good his ND team is. They have 3 AA caliber middies, 2 great attackman, the best goalie/SSDM, a great defense, and a dominant fogo. It’s not Pkav’s fault he has a dominant team around him, but if you took him off ND then they are still a top 5 team. You take Shelly off this UVA team and I don’t think they make it very far.
The paragraph is interesting. I think it hurts Shelly, Kav, and Kirst in these discussions. Those teams don’t generally force feed their stars. They have a lot of talent around them. If they think they have a bigger advantage elsewhere, they are going to attack it.
It definitely hurts them. If you put any of the guys you mentioned on a team with less talent than their current offenses, they would put up huge numbers because the offense would rely on them to do everything.
Take Brandau for example: Yale’s offense was riddled with injuries and it led to them relying on him essentially every possession. He would either initiate, feed, or shoot on every yale possession. This led him to put up crazy stats this year because his offense allowed him to maximize his full output. Yes Brandau is great, but he wouldn’t put up the same numbers on a team with more weapons(I.e 2023 where he only put up 70 points since he had to share the ball more with Lyons and Leo Johnson.)
Guys like Shelly, O’Neil, Kirst, and Kav don’t have to do this because sometimes there is a better option like Devon Mclane dodging a shorty, Schutz with a shorty, Dyson Williams in the inside… I could go on but you get the point. If we put O’Neill in the Yale Offense and told him to initiate or shoot every possession he would probably have 100+ points. The only issue is that recipe won’t lead you to a championship.
no offense, but that brandau take might be the wildest one i've seen on anything on fanlax for awhile, and that's saying something. he might be the most efficient player in div 1 history, outside of finishers. he doesn't need the ball in his stick, he's not ball dominant, and he just racks up points. every one of those guys has gotten all the opportunities that brandau has, they've just cashed them at a significantly lower level this year. i'd guess yale games are still archived on espn+.
Agreed; I think it works the opposite way from laxguy's take.
When there's only one dominant player, all eyes are on him, slides come sooner, and feeds get finished at a lower rate.
When there are multiple major threats, eyes are swiveling, slides go away from our #1 and lead to more layups for him, and guys finish at a higher rate when he feeds.
Brandau scored more per game, at a higher % shooting rate, and with teammates who finished less well than the ND, Duke, and UVA teams. Just give him the props he's due for a tremendous regular season on a bubble team that didn't make it in.
That said, it doesn't mean that others aren't tremendous stars with excellent seasons and fully capable of a later run in the tournament that separates them from the pack. I'm hoping that's Shelly, if anyone.
