All Americans 2024

[keno in reno]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

Thats your opinion and thats fine. People point to Papal conclaves as official too, but that doesn't mean they're not petty, backstabbing and political.

[DocBarrister]

The USILA traces its roots back to 1882. When it comes to college lacrosse, it’s just about the oldest institution around. Can’t buy that kind of prestige.

It be what it be.

DocBarrister

[10stone5]

I still go with the USILA over the Tewaaraton and other Media et al AA lists.

[lorin]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

[coda]

IL’s list of All American’s

First Team
A Brennan O'Neill Duke
A Matt Brandau Yale
A CJ Kirst Cornell
M Evan Plunkett Army
M Mikey Weisshaar Towson
M Shane Knobloch Rutgers
FO Will Coletti Army
SSDM Beau Pederson Michigan
SSDM Ben Ramsey Notre Dame
LSM Jake Piseno UAlbany
D Ajax Zappitello Maryland*
D Scott Smith Johns Hopkins
D Brendan Lavelle Penn
G Liam Entenmann Notre Dame

* unanimous

Second Team
A Connor Shellenberger Virginia
A Pat Kavanagh Notre Dame
A TJ Malone Penn State
M Jake Stevens Syracuse
M Andrew McAdorey Duke
M Devon McLane Notre Dame
FO Justin Wietfeldt Michigan
SSDM Grant Haus Penn State
SSDM Chase Yager Virginia
LSM Stephen Zupicich Villanova
D Kenny Brower Duke
D Cole Kastner Virginia
D Billy Dwan Syracuse
G Emmet Carroll Penn


Third Team
A Joey Spallina Syracuse
A Sam King Harvard
A Chris Kavanagh Notre Dame
M Alexander Vardaro Georgetown
M Griffin Schutz Virginia
M Eric Dobson Notre Dame
FO Alec Stathakis Denver
SSDM Dylan Hess Georgetown
SSDM Brett Martin Johns Hopkins
LSM Will Donovan Notre Dame
D Colby Barsz Towson
D Shawn Lyght Notre Dame
D AJ Pilate Army
D Mason Woodward Marquette
G Jack Fracyon Penn State

Honorable Mention
A Michael Boehm Michigan
A Payton Cormier Virginia
A Louis Perfetto Boston U
A Coulter Mackesy Princeton
A Jacob Angelus Johns Hopkins
A Nick DeMaio Towson
A Garrett Degnon Johns Hopkins
A Michael Long Cornell
A Dalton Young Richmond
A Brayden Mayea High Point
M Matt Collison Johns Hopkins
M Max Krevsky Yale
M Jordan Faison Notre Dame
M Jacob Morin Army
M Michael Leo Syracuse
M Hunter Drouin Colgate
M Chad Palumbo Princeton
M Jake Cates Boston U
M Ryan Donnery Quinnipiac
FO Nathan Laliberte Bryant
FO Mason Kohn Syracuse
FO Will Lynch Notre Dame
FO Luke Wierman Maryland
FO Machado Rodriguez Yale
FO Brady Wambach North Carolina
FO Jake Naso Duke
SSDM Tucker Garrity Jacksonville
SSDM Jackson Peters Navy
SSDM Jack Pilling Richmond
SSDM Reece Potter Towson
SSDM Carter Rice Syracuse
SSDM Aidan Maguire Duke
SSDM Casey Wilson Denver
SSDM Patrick Hackler Yale
LSM Roy Meyer Boston U
LSM Tyler Carpenter Duke
LSM Max Yates Colgate
D Richard Checo Lehigh
D Colin Mulshine Princeton
D Marcus Hudgins Ohio State
D Alex Ross Penn State
D Chris Conlin Notre Dame
D Jackson Bonitz Navy
D Jimmy Freehill Denver
D Ty Banks Georgetown
D Levi Verch Saint Joseph's
D Michael Bath Princeton
D Nikko DiPonio Utah
G Will Mark Syracuse
G Mike Gianforcaro Princeton
G Zach Vigue Richmond
G Chayse Ierlan Johns Hopkins

Quite interesting that McLane gets 2nd team and Dobson gets 3rd team, but opposing defenses pole Faison. Game plans seem to have a much different opinion than the voting

[BetweenTheLines]

Quite interesting that McLane gets 2nd team and Dobson gets 3rd team, but opposing defenses pole Faison. Game plans seem to have a much different opinion than the voting

McLane has had higher and more consistent production. Dobson and Faison should be swapped though.

[coda]

Quite interesting that McLane gets 2nd team and Dobson gets 3rd team, but opposing defenses pole Faison. Game plans seem to have a much different opinion than the voting

McLane has had higher and more consistent production. Dobson and Faison should be swapped though.

Different players. McLane is very good off ball. Him and Taylor feast on the defense's focusing on the others. I tend to judge players by how teams game plan against them. Faison is the primary dodger from the midfield and gets a pole. Dobson has been a big beneficiary of that, as he sees shorties now (imagine saying that prior to the season). Faison has opened up the field for McLane and Dobson. Neither of those guys see a pole. How many AA on the list can say that? His benefit is more than just pts. He also has more pts than Dobson and less turnovers.

[MDlaxfan76]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

[lorin]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

[wgdsr]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

que? the turnbull?

[Chousnake]

IL’s list of All American’s

First Team
A Brennan O'Neill Duke
A Matt Brandau Yale
A CJ Kirst Cornell
M Evan Plunkett Army
M Mikey Weisshaar Towson
M Shane Knobloch Rutgers
FO Will Coletti Army
SSDM Beau Pederson Michigan
SSDM Ben Ramsey Notre Dame
LSM Jake Piseno UAlbany
D Ajax Zappitello Maryland*
D Scott Smith Johns Hopkins
D Brendan Lavelle Penn
G Liam Entenmann Notre Dame

* unanimous

Second Team
A Connor Shellenberger Virginia
A Pat Kavanagh Notre Dame
A TJ Malone Penn State
M Jake Stevens Syracuse
M Andrew McAdorey Duke
M Devon McLane Notre Dame
FO Justin Wietfeldt Michigan
SSDM Grant Haus Penn State
SSDM Chase Yager Virginia
LSM Stephen Zupicich Villanova
D Kenny Brower Duke
D Cole Kastner Virginia
D Billy Dwan Syracuse
G Emmet Carroll Penn


Third Team
A Joey Spallina Syracuse
A Sam King Harvard
A Chris Kavanagh Notre Dame
M Alexander Vardaro Georgetown
M Griffin Schutz Virginia
M Eric Dobson Notre Dame
FO Alec Stathakis Denver
SSDM Dylan Hess Georgetown
SSDM Brett Martin Johns Hopkins
LSM Will Donovan Notre Dame
D Colby Barsz Towson
D Shawn Lyght Notre Dame
D AJ Pilate Army
D Mason Woodward Marquette
G Jack Fracyon Penn State

Honorable Mention
A Michael Boehm Michigan
A Payton Cormier Virginia
A Louis Perfetto Boston U
A Coulter Mackesy Princeton
A Jacob Angelus Johns Hopkins
A Nick DeMaio Towson
A Garrett Degnon Johns Hopkins
A Michael Long Cornell
A Dalton Young Richmond
A Brayden Mayea High Point
M Matt Collison Johns Hopkins
M Max Krevsky Yale
M Jordan Faison Notre Dame
M Jacob Morin Army
M Michael Leo Syracuse
M Hunter Drouin Colgate
M Chad Palumbo Princeton
M Jake Cates Boston U
M Ryan Donnery Quinnipiac
FO Nathan Laliberte Bryant
FO Mason Kohn Syracuse
FO Will Lynch Notre Dame
FO Luke Wierman Maryland
FO Machado Rodriguez Yale
FO Brady Wambach North Carolina
FO Jake Naso Duke
SSDM Tucker Garrity Jacksonville
SSDM Jackson Peters Navy
SSDM Jack Pilling Richmond
SSDM Reece Potter Towson
SSDM Carter Rice Syracuse
SSDM Aidan Maguire Duke
SSDM Casey Wilson Denver
SSDM Patrick Hackler Yale
LSM Roy Meyer Boston U
LSM Tyler Carpenter Duke
LSM Max Yates Colgate
D Richard Checo Lehigh
D Colin Mulshine Princeton
D Marcus Hudgins Ohio State
D Alex Ross Penn State
D Chris Conlin Notre Dame
D Jackson Bonitz Navy
D Jimmy Freehill Denver
D Ty Banks Georgetown
D Levi Verch Saint Joseph's
D Michael Bath Princeton
D Nikko DiPonio Utah
G Will Mark Syracuse
G Mike Gianforcaro Princeton
G Zach Vigue Richmond
G Chayse Ierlan Johns Hopkins

I have a lot of gripes with this list but being a Notre Dame fan the biggest one being Pat kav not on first team. Best offensive player on the best team in the country isn’t a first teamer. Also, happy that Devon McLane got recognized as a 2nd teamer but if I had to pick I would say Dobson and Faison are better than him.

So like the Tewaaraton Award, we are going to award AA spots based on team performance rather than individual performance? The best offensive player on the top teams deserves first team....because they are the best players on the best teams. It is very hard to distinguish among O'Neill, Kirst, Schellenberger, Brandau, Kavanaugh, and Malone.

As for me, I'd happily move Kirst to 2nd team if Cornell was ranked first in the country, was still alive in the tournament, and was on the tourney favorite. I'll take team accomplishments over individual awards and recognition any day.

[PizzaSnake]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

Of course it is; it is a human artifact.

[BetweenTheLines]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

que? the turnbull?

Ha... I wouldn't have said it that way, but they have a point.

As the Tewaaraton has become increasingly attackmen-focused, its winners have diverged from Turnbull.

Some definitional differences, but Turnbull has recently been given to guys who had incredible careers, but were "just below" whoever won the Tewaaraton -- whether due to team performance (Brandau this year, Chris Gray multiple times) or just a slightly less noteworthy season (Ament vs. Spencer, Rice vs. Thompson).

[wgdsr]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

que? the turnbull?

Ha... I wouldn't have said it that way, but they have a point.

As the Tewaaraton has become increasingly attackmen-focused, its winners have diverged from Turnbull.

Some definitional differences, but Turnbull has recently been given to guys who had incredible careers, but were "just below" whoever won the Tewaaraton -- whether due to team performance (Brandau this year, Chris Gray multiple times) or just a slightly less noteworthy season (Ament vs. Spencer, Rice vs. Thompson).

cj kirst won it just last year. even throwing out the post-covid years for gray, where he had two 4 "fourth" years, spencer won it as a junior. so did fields. and thompson won it twice before his senior year. so did pannell. since the turn of the century, it's gone to an underclassman more often than not also.

the tewaaraton is both announced and voted on after the turnbull, i believe.

[Lax904]

I went back to see the lists from the year I graduated. Mainly to see how many honorable mentions there were. Fun exercise and look back to see so many familiar names. I still didn’t make the list LOL! The number of HM today waters it down a bit in my opinion. I know there are way more teams but….

https://static.usila.org/custompages/Al ... 990_AA.pdf

[lorin]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

que? the turnbull?

Ha... I wouldn't have said it that way, but they have a point.

As the Tewaaraton has become increasingly attackmen-focused, its winners have diverged from Turnbull.

Some definitional differences, but Turnbull has recently been given to guys who had incredible careers, but were "just below" whoever won the Tewaaraton -- whether due to team performance (Brandau this year, Chris Gray multiple times) or just a slightly less noteworthy season (Ament vs. Spencer, Rice vs. Thompson).

cj kirst won it just last year. even throwing out the post-covid years for gray, where he had two 4 "fourth" years, spencer won it as a junior. so did fields. and thompson won it twice before his senior year. so did pannell. since the turn of the century, it's gone to an underclassman more often than not also.

the tewaaraton is both announced and voted on after the turnbull, i believe.

Gray great player but Nichturn had better year in 2022

[wgdsr]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

que? the turnbull?

Ha... I wouldn't have said it that way, but they have a point.

As the Tewaaraton has become increasingly attackmen-focused, its winners have diverged from Turnbull.

Some definitional differences, but Turnbull has recently been given to guys who had incredible careers, but were "just below" whoever won the Tewaaraton -- whether due to team performance (Brandau this year, Chris Gray multiple times) or just a slightly less noteworthy season (Ament vs. Spencer, Rice vs. Thompson).

cj kirst won it just last year. even throwing out the post-covid years for gray, where he had two 4 "fourth" years, spencer won it as a junior. so did fields. and thompson won it twice before his senior year. so did pannell. since the turn of the century, it's gone to an underclassman more often than not also.

the tewaaraton is both announced and voted on after the turnbull, i believe.

Gray great player but Nichturn had better year in 2022

nichturn was awesome, types of things that sports debates were made for.
but it's not been a lifetime achievement award.

[BetweenTheLines]

At the end of the day USILA list is the one that matters anyway.

Why?

Submitted by college coaches and goes to a committee. Not a bunch of guys who have never played college lacrosse.

USILA also gives out the Enners, Schmeisser, etc. it’s the “official” list

Do you think USILA is above the politics and connections that every other organization in the world is subject to?

No. But I value their opinions more than IL, who takes voting input from random lacrosse twitter accounts and people who have never played college lacrosse, let alone D1. It’s also not like this is just me.. it’s been the list people point to for AA for as long as I remember.

USILA political like all the rest.

'political', sure, but not motivated to drive clicks with controversy. They have institutional motivations, not profit.

USILA is the official All-American list, anything else is media clickbait.
Doesn't mean media opinions aren't interesting to discuss and argue about, but it's not institutional.

I put Tewey in the institutional class, as that's become a continuous annual award recognized as such. Like the Heisman, however, it's distinct from AA status.

you can say the same about attackmen of the year, that has become he deserves something after 4 years award.

que? the turnbull?

Ha... I wouldn't have said it that way, but they have a point.

As the Tewaaraton has become increasingly attackmen-focused, its winners have diverged from Turnbull.

Some definitional differences, but Turnbull has recently been given to guys who had incredible careers, but were "just below" whoever won the Tewaaraton -- whether due to team performance (Brandau this year, Chris Gray multiple times) or just a slightly less noteworthy season (Ament vs. Spencer, Rice vs. Thompson).

cj kirst won it just last year. even throwing out the post-covid years for gray, where he had two 4 "fourth" years, spencer won it as a junior. so did fields. and thompson won it twice before his senior year. so did pannell. since the turn of the century, it's gone to an underclassman more often than not also.

the tewaaraton is both announced and voted on after the turnbull, i believe.

Gray great player but Nichturn had better year in 2022

nichturn was awesome, types of things that sports debates were made for.
but it's not been a lifetime achievement award.

Shall we settle on the "second best attackman" award?

[Hooz123]

IL is not USILA. IL wants to draw engagement; hence, Shelly and Kav aren't 1AA, etc. They just want clicks. That's how they make money. All of these people commenting on their IG post about Kav and Shelly, etc All they see is dollar signs. That's the point. It may be a cynical outlook, but that's how this works.

[HopFan16]

IL does not unilaterally decide anything. It's voted on by the media the same way the weekly polls are.

They also voted based on the regular season. So Brandau's inclusion is more than defensible. O'Neill is the clear outlier.

I would have had Shelly in over Kirst and either Malone or Kavanagh in over O'Neill but...is it really that big of a deal? Shelly and Kirst had the exact same number of points per game, except Kirst got the bulk of his in goals, while Shelly's were in assists, and Kirst's shooting percentage was a bit better. It's not crazy to argue he had the better regular season even if I would rather have Shelly on my team if I could pick.

And you can say a lot about the lax media but one thing you can't accuse them of being is biased against Pat Kavanagh. That guy gets more positive coverage than any player in the country. He's all over social media constantly and has his own personal publicist named Paul Carcaterra. If he didn't make first team it's probably because people who watch lacrosse for a living don't think he's one of the three best attackmen.