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Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/
Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.
This is a political stunt:
It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."
If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.
This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.
They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.
All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.
correct
youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter
suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.
And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.
Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.
yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....
Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.
At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.
Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.
https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/
I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.
Dems tryin to capture more EC votes.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close
Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.
What's your hypothesis here?
That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems
tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?
And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead
send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?
The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?
SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???
Do I have that right...or close?
Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.
It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…
Seriously, that's what
you believe???
Well that is what you keep saying on a daily basis. A lifelong Republican with a lifelong hatred of his own party. The Democrats are waiting to on board you old sod.
I'm still waiting for the day you actually say something that a lifelong conservative Republican would say. I guess it's been so long for you that you have forgotten how lifelong conservative Republicans think.
Read his conspiracy theory logic, cradle. If you agree with it, go ahead and say so. If not, say so.
My view is that MAGA stupidity and racial fear has engulfed the majority of the GOP.
But that doesn't make rational Republicans, whether moderate or conservative, to actually be RINOs other than from the perspective of the nut jobs.
Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, Kasich, Flake, McCain and so many others are/were fully rational Republicans.
And they never believed this craziness.
It is not conspiracy logic, its essentially an attempt at gerrymandering upstream, with little to no downside. you should thrilled the R's are trying to maintain semblance of who is where and if they are a citizen....instead you side with the democrats that do not believe acknowledging you are a citizen or not on a census is a bad thing....why is that and what value does showing high growth in areas ultimately do? So much so, you do not even care who is there and what that data can and ultimately do. It's not about the R's trying to gain advantage, its about the R's trying to maintain checks and balances in the aftermath of mass immigration. If that is not what conservatives do, then you may have lost your way...and that's okay.
Ever since Trump, you and so many have this preconceived notion that it is only the R's being deceptive, nefarious in seeking power; the edge. Remember Rahm's quote “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Do you believe that either party wants to continue to maintain balance or do you believe onside want a majority, to the point they control everything? If the former.....I believe that is naïve, the latter....you bethca'. And how does the latter get there......by any means necessary that can be argued legal and not proven acceptable.
Perhaps you missed NattyBoh's point?
This is an incredibly stupid conspiracy theory, and is based on deep rooted racism and nativism, which, if you want to call those aspects, stupidity, racism, and nativism, "conservative" then sure, that fits. It's just not what traditional Republicans have embraced.
The Constitution makes clear that everyone counts, not just citizens, not just registered voters, not just adults, not just men (not women), not just free men (except that slaves counted less!). Note on that last point, the southern states insisted on getting credit for their slaves because it gave them more power electorally and in Congressional representation.
The census is for the purpose of counting everyone and there should be no impediment to accomplishing that task fully. Period, full stop. and with the end of slavery, everyone is supposed to be counted equally.
It should not be an instrument to discourage people from being counted.
I do not think that our history confirms the notion that either of the two parties has sought a permanent dominance of the country. Quite the opposite. That doesn't mean that groups haven't sought strategic advantage in achieving support of a majority of voters, but that's fundamental to democratic competition. Likewise, the parties have sought to maintain degrees of influence, if not permanent control, through various manipulations of power, eg gerrymandering. (which I find repugnant)
Our system naturally provides a very strong bias to two national parties, not more nor less, as long as the Constitution is followed, and the separation of powers is maintained.
But power is indeed seductive and there are people who have and who will put power over principle and over country and even over law...so, it's essential that we reject those people from access to too much power, especially when it's clear they wish to achieve and maintain power through minority rule.
That can and could in the future happen with either party.
Right now, it's not a remotely close call as to where the greatest danger lies. And that's with the MAGA GOP.
They have explicitly adopted a strategy in which they know they would rule only as a minority, and they use the deepest poisons in our societal fabric to justify their desired control: racism, nativism and other bigotries.
It's an explicitly fascist strategy.
I DO have deep concerns about an authoritarian far left coming into power someday, justifying their authoritarian control as 'majority' rule while trampling individual rights, which is why I think it's super important that we have a credible, honest party that seeks to balance such tendencies from the extreme left, but it can't be an authoritarian or dishonest party and maintain credibility.
Moreover, we need two parties each committed to governing by consensus not purist ideology, where balance shifts left and right somewhat in any given period, but with full expectation that the balance will shift again and not extremely in any direction.
But MAGA GOP is the opposite of that philosophy.
As to immigration, I'm all for making it much easier to achieve legal status swiftly or if not deserving of asylum to be swiftly adjudicated and returned. If legal status enables working status and adjudication of that is swift, it will continue to be a major strategic advantage versus countries like China which have a rapidly aging population problem. We should strongly encourage asylum seekers to do so prior to coming to the US, but make adjudication swift. Immigration is a huge positive to the country, with younger workers, new vitality, and lower crime rates than similarly economically situated multi-generational Americans.
I'm also in strong favor of e-verify or other national system enabling employers to swiftly verify legal work status and hold employers accountable to do so...but that requires swift process to have migrants able to work.