I think it’s ACC and the rest. PSU and Hop can make noise, big question there is at the X. Ivy has a lot of top offenses, but defensively I don’t think they have a contender (Penn is the only good defense).nyjay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:03 pmI think the transitive property dissipates pretty rapidly in sports. Look - I do think the Ivies (and PSU) are good. I just don't know how good they are relative to the teams that are I think are the strongest teams in the country (i.e. the ACCs (ex-UNC), MD, Hop and Army). We will start finding out soon enough. Today's game and next weekend's SU/Cornell game will be interesting.random observer wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:56 pm Well Penn and Princeton split with Duke/UNC, Harvard had UVA on the ropes until the very end. Even cellar dweller Brown took Maryland to OT. Yale also played (and beat Denver). I think the ACC is the best conference, but there have been plenty of Ivy matchups with the ACC/B1G and they've faired well enough in them to suggest that the conference is legit -- and that by extension Yale, Cornell, and PSU are legit.
As a conference, I think the Ivy is, on the whole, pretty comparable to the B1G. A B1G/Ivy challenge series would be fun, do it all one weekend in mid-March. Not trying to argue seeding, but these would be six good games:
MD v. Cornell (22 rematch)
Hop v. Yale
PSU v. Princeton
Michigan v. Penn
Rutgers v. Harvard
OSU v. Brown
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I think any team in the top 10-15 can beat any other. There is quite a bit of parity this season. It's been pretty much A beats B, B beats C, C beats D and D beats A.
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My new top 20 3/31/2024:
1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Denver
7. Maryland
8. Penn State
9. Syracuse
10. Army
11. Penn
12. Cornell
13. Yale
14. Princeton
15. Boston University
16. St. Joseph
17. Navy
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Villanova
As usual, another crazy week topped off by Maryland. The Terps are still the Terps.
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1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Denver
7. Maryland
8. Penn State
9. Syracuse
10. Army
11. Penn
12. Cornell
13. Yale
14. Princeton
15. Boston University
16. St. Joseph
17. Navy
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Villanova
As usual, another crazy week topped off by Maryland. The Terps are still the Terps.
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joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:06 pm My new top 20 3/31/2024:
1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Denver
7. Maryland
8. Penn State
9. Syracuse
10. Army
11. Penn
12. Cornell
13. Yale
14. Princeton
15. Boston University
16. St. Joseph
17. Navy
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Villanova
As usual, another crazy week topped off by Maryland. The Terps are still the Terps.
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How do you justify UVA over ND… You have Gtown over Hopkins and ND has better wins than UVA
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Johns Hopkins with THREE TOP FIVE WINS!!! (The Blue Jays beat Virginia, Georgetown, and themselves in the Denver game.)joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:06 pm My new top 20 3/31/2024:
1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Denver
7. Maryland
8. Penn State
9. Syracuse
10. Army
11. Penn
12. Cornell
13. Yale
14. Princeton
15. Boston University
16. St. Joseph
17. Navy
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Villanova
As usual, another crazy week topped off by Maryland. The Terps are still the Terps.
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Why do you have Georgetown ranked so low? They beat Notre Damejoewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:06 pm My new top 20 3/31/2024:
1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Denver
7. Maryland
8. Penn State
9. Syracuse
10. Army
11. Penn
12. Cornell
13. Yale
14. Princeton
15. Boston University
16. St. Joseph
17. Navy
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Villanova
As usual, another crazy week topped off by Maryland. The Terps are still the Terps.
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Wife and four kids. I work at the Department of Motor Vehicles so please speak slowly. Posting in between shifts from the toilet.
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OK. So far 3 comments and all hate my poll.
Yup. I got it right again.
I worry when people AGREE with my poll.
Come on QK, bail me out like last week.
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Yup. I got it right again.
I worry when people AGREE with my poll.
Come on QK, bail me out like last week.
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I don’t hate it, you just cannot have gtown ahead of Hopkins and then put uva ahead of ND. You’re saying ND’s loss is “better,” they both have wins over Maryland, Ohio state, and Michigan, and then ND has a top 5 win over Cuse. Either ND and UVA have to flip or Hop and Gtown… either way the top 5 win should give ND the edge
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Also, anybody could do their own poll if they don't like yours? Just sayin'. For what it's worth, even as a fellow Ivy loyalist I think you've done the right thing to group the Ivy teams just outside the top 10 -- they are capable of great lacrosse and nobody should overlook them on a given day but we haven't seen the consistency yet from any of them. (I could also see Princeton in particular rounding into tip-top form by the ILT and being a really tough out down the stretch for anybody.)joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:18 pm OK. So far 3 comments and all hate my poll.
Yup. I got it right again.
I worry when people AGREE with my poll.
Come on QK, bail me out like last week.
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Terps are 41-1 against PSU all-time. PSU is still PSU.
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It's just a midseason poll by one of our frequent posters. No reason to get so worked up. It's not the NCAA selection committee decision!BigTurn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:21 pm I don’t hate it, you just cannot have gtown ahead of Hopkins and then put uva ahead of ND. You’re saying ND’s loss is “better,” they both have wins over Maryland, Ohio state, and Michigan, and then ND has a top 5 win over Cuse. Either ND and UVA have to flip or Hop and Gtown… either way the top 5 win should give ND the edge
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Worked up? I’m simply discussing the ranking.Chousnake wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:56 pmIt's just a midseason poll by one of our frequent posters. No reason to get so worked up. It's not the NCAA selection committee decision!BigTurn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:21 pm I don’t hate it, you just cannot have gtown ahead of Hopkins and then put uva ahead of ND. You’re saying ND’s loss is “better,” they both have wins over Maryland, Ohio state, and Michigan, and then ND has a top 5 win over Cuse. Either ND and UVA have to flip or Hop and Gtown… either way the top 5 win should give ND the edge
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Tillman >>> TambroniChousnake wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:58 pmI just watched that game and have no idea how PSU lost that game. Just a complete collapse. Bad for Cornell though. I don't think PSU touched the ball for the first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.
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Wierman played at a whole different level in the last 3 quarters than he did in the first. The team followed suitChousnake wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:58 pmI just watched that game and have no idea how PSU lost that game. Just a complete collapse. Bad for Cornell though. I don't think PSU touched the ball for the first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.
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Ah, that takes me back to those halcyon days of 2010, when Maryland canned Cottle (no one was happier about that than me) and hired Tillman (who had done OK but not spectacularly with the Crimson), and then, after the Tillman deal was done, PSU hired Tambroni away from Cornell, one year after the national-championship-game appearance in which his team blew a 3-goal lead with 4 minutes to play. Some Terp fans at laxpower were mighty annoyed: they hadn't known that the great Tambroni might be available!
But at the time, some of us Cornell fans suspected that Tambroni might not actually be all that, and maybe that lady AD running the Terps had actually made the right move ...
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Wierman is something else,mdk01 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:17 pmWierman played at a whole different level in the last 3 quarters than he did in the first. The team followed suitChousnake wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:58 pmI just watched that game and have no idea how PSU lost that game. Just a complete collapse. Bad for Cornell though. I don't think PSU touched the ball for the first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.
an all-timer,
I’d like to see Tillman keep him on the field more where Wierman is more than capable of improvising - he wasn’t an exclusive face-off, get-off coming out of high school.
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I agree Wierman is not Pete Lasalla but he is close. 5th yr player turned it on and won the faceoffs in the second half. Michigan game Weitfelt got the best of him. He also had 2assists .
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And Hopkins has the Va win w no Ghobreil for the Hoos.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:13 pmJohns Hopkins with THREE TOP FIVE WINS!!! (The Blue Jays beat Virginia, Georgetown, and themselves in the Denver game.)joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:06 pm My new top 20 3/31/2024:
1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Duke
4. Georgetown
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Denver
7. Maryland
8. Penn State
9. Syracuse
10. Army
11. Penn
12. Cornell
13. Yale
14. Princeton
15. Boston University
16. St. Joseph
17. Navy
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Villanova
As usual, another crazy week topped off by Maryland. The Terps are still the Terps.
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joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:18 pm OK. So far 3 comments and all hate my poll.
Yup. I got it right again.
I worry when people AGREE with my poll.
Come on QK, bail me out like last week.
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No nits from me. Looks perfectly good.