Hobart 2024

[Bartfromboston]

Troy B played but hurt his ankle i think in the first half of Yale. I didnt see Snellenburg play but maybe I missed him. Envin didnt dress, seems to be injured a bunch. Stillwell played a tiny amount in Yale, had a goal i believe in the Fairfield game. He stood out among the reserves in terms of field presence, not sure how he will fair as he works his way into the lineup. I think he was injured too last week against Vermont. Swisher looked good again. Danny Campbell looked athletic too. Cardinali played a decent amount. I think Patterson is our best offensive player. Some of our older guys on offense didnt really show much this week so that could open up some play by younger kids if they cant play a complete game. We shall see….

[Farfromgeneva]

For the folks feeding us from closer to the scrimmages, based on what is known m/observed how are you thinking the lien sshake out?

Attack and mid will be fluid and we know who’s in the mix mostly but for those and them more importantly LSM/Close D. And maybe who’s the primary and secondary SSDM.

I could toss up five variations of offensive lineups but for LSM I assume they split one of Turner and adult there while the other is at Close D. And Orlando with who behind?

SSDM: Race, Dino and Wimer then others?

Close D: forth, Suby/Turner split & Rhine?

[brodad]

For the folks feeding us from closer to the scrimmages, based on what is known m/observed how are you thinking the lien sshake out?

Attack and mid will be fluid and we know who’s in the mix mostly but for those and them more importantly LSM/Close D. And maybe who’s the primary and secondary SSDM.

I could toss up five variations of offensive lineups but for LSM I assume they split one of Turner and adult there while the other is at Close D. And Orlando with who behind?

SSDM: Race, Dino and Wimer then others?

Close D: forth, Suby/Turner split & Rhine?

I think you have a better handle on it than I do

[Bartfromboston]

Farfromgeneva - you do have a really good view.

I think face off and goalie is still a little up for grabs. F/O will likely be a rotation. There is a freshman goalie that could compete for time often depending on how the Loukas S plays.

Offense looks like a lot of kids bouncing between O- mid and attack. But also at least 2-3 kids injured already at practice.

[brodad]

I think Faiola is the freshman goalie who’s been looking good

[oldbartman]

Farfromgeneva - you do have a really good view.

I think face off and goalie is still a little up for grabs. F/O will likely be a rotation. There is a freshman goalie that could compete for time often depending on how the Loukas S plays.

Offense looks like a lot of kids bouncing between O- mid and attack. But also at least 2-3 kids injured already at practice.

Injuries seem to haunt us every season. Evnin in street clothes is disappointing. I have/had? high hopes for him. Troy B, when healthy can be a huge positive for the team. Still worried about our depth on D. Seems like we're deeper at LSM than D.

Colgate will be looking to re-kindle the PSU game mojo. They showed they have real talent on O, as well as some overly aggressive (thug?) tendencies on D.

[Laxgunea]

Heard a few injured players were held off for Yale, but are likely to return for Colgate. I didn't hear any names. I'm with those who wonder about the number of injuries we seem to get. I know we have special strength and conditioning coaches. Is this just lacrosse in this day and age? Is it repetitive use injuries in players who have been sports specialists growing up? I don't have a sense of whether it might just be the exact same story on all of the other DI teams. Last year, for example, both Shea and Dattilas were pretty much injured the whole year. Ditto Herlihy. Barthelme for the two years previously.
Also, I wonder if there is a chance of playing on the Boz. It is supposed to be in the 40s (50s on Saturday).

[Ketch]

Heard a few injured players were held off for Yale, but are likely to return for Colgate. I didn't hear any names. I'm with those who wonder about the number of injuries we seem to get. I know we have special strength and conditioning coaches. Is this just lacrosse in this day and age? Is it repetitive use injuries in players who have been sports specialists growing up? I don't have a sense of whether it might just be the exact same story on all of the other DI teams. Last year, for example, both Shea and Dattilas were pretty much injured the whole year. Ditto Herlihy. Barthelme for the two years previously.
Also, I wonder if there is a chance of playing on the Boz. It is supposed to be in the 40s (50s on Saturday).

I think there's a good chance the game will be out on the Boz.

I also think that we are really going to have our hands full with Colgate. They are big and nasty and have two games against stiff competition already under their belts. Although the final score would indicate otherwise, I thought that they played SU tough. They certainly didn't back down physically, as illustrated by the number of penalties they had. Some of them were downright vicious.

[oldbartman]

Vicious is the proper description of what I watch in the Colgate/Cuse game. The Raiders have a history of cheap shots on us. Remember Bobby Dattilo being taking out and a very cheap shot on Alex Love. Refs can control this if they want to. Ejecting a player would certainly get everyone's attention.

[OldOrange]

The key for Hobart will be ball movement on offense and not getting pulled in to Colgate's game of chippiness and trash talking. Let them put the Statesmen on EMO. Syracuse got sucked in to that during second quarter and got back to playing their game in the third. If Shea is healthy, Hobart should have the advantage on face offs. Colgate has 4 main scorers on O, the starting attack and the middie Drouin. Colgate is very physical, but also commits a lot of penalties. Hobart has to weather the storm and play their game. Good luck.

[Bartfromboston]

Game is on the boz sunday. I think the injuries have a lot to do with how hard they work the kids. This is team that gets pushed. We are the underdogs always and it requires 50% more effort. That comes with injuries from time to time. This team gets along incredibly well - you can see it when you watch practice. Offense and defense really support each other. That said, we dont have the depth to be losing 3-5 players every week. Bach is the one i am watching for - he is such an amazing talent but always injured.

[brodad]

Vicious is the proper description of what I watch in the Colgate/Cuse game. The Raiders have a history of cheap shots on us. Remember Bobby Dattilo being taking out and a very cheap shot on Alex Love. Refs can control this if they want to. Ejecting a player would certainly get everyone's attention.

Several summers ago Hobart recruits scrimmaged Canisius and Colgate recruits. Even then the Colgate recruits were cheap shotting the other teams. Pathetic. What kind of coach/culture/program produces that nonsense? Players should get ejected for that kind of cowardly crap.

[Farfromgeneva]

Heard a few injured players were held off for Yale, but are likely to return for Colgate. I didn't hear any names. I'm with those who wonder about the number of injuries we seem to get. I know we have special strength and conditioning coaches. Is this just lacrosse in this day and age? Is it repetitive use injuries in players who have been sports specialists growing up? I don't have a sense of whether it might just be the exact same story on all of the other DI teams. Last year, for example, both Shea and Dattilas were pretty much injured the whole year. Ditto Herlihy. Barthelme for the two years previously.
Also, I wonder if there is a chance of playing on the Boz. It is supposed to be in the 40s (50s on Saturday).

Everyone seems to love gray but the football team has far more injuries than is peers or typical D3 progress that’s similar (some of the bottom of D3 carry 45-50 kids better or more competitive programs carry 85+ even at D3, Mt Union carrier 200, heads for beds). This has been going on as long as he’s been here.

I understand with lacrosse we sometimes have to take flyers. Sean Donnelly had knee issues or he would’ve been at a top 10-15 program. Love wanted to go to OSU but reasons he couldn’t go there. So we take some injury risk in kids if such a thing exists. But when I see the football program also have similar extraordinary health issues for 5-8yrs it’s hard to not wonder if a different program
Might be better.

[Farfromgeneva]

Heard a few injured players were held off for Yale, but are likely to return for Colgate. I didn't hear any names. I'm with those who wonder about the number of injuries we seem to get. I know we have special strength and conditioning coaches. Is this just lacrosse in this day and age? Is it repetitive use injuries in players who have been sports specialists growing up? I don't have a sense of whether it might just be the exact same story on all of the other DI teams. Last year, for example, both Shea and Dattilas were pretty much injured the whole year. Ditto Herlihy. Barthelme for the two years previously.
Also, I wonder if there is a chance of playing on the Boz. It is supposed to be in the 40s (50s on Saturday).

I think there's a good chance the game will be out on the Boz.

I also think that we are really going to have our hands full with Colgate. They are big and nasty and have two games against stiff competition already under their belts. Although the final score would indicate otherwise, I thought that they played SU tough. They certainly didn't back down physically, as illustrated by the number of penalties they had. Some of them were downright vicious.

That’s why they wanted to play in unplayable conditions last year they are trying to win by grinding in teams. And being a bit dirty (saw it last year not just Karwecks call but players on the field hitting way too late-I literally would be fine if we dropped gate from the schedule after that joke)

[Farfromgeneva]

Vicious is the proper description of what I watch in the Colgate/Cuse game. The Raiders have a history of cheap shots on us. Remember Bobby Dattilo being taking out and a very cheap shot on Alex Love. Refs can control this if they want to. Ejecting a player would certainly get everyone's attention.

Binghamton was worse. The way they took out both Love and Akner in two years was disgusting.

[Farfromgeneva]

The key for Hobart will be ball movement on offense and not getting pulled in to Colgate's game of chippiness and trash talking. Let them put the Statesmen on EMO. Syracuse got sucked in to that during second quarter and got back to playing their game in the third. If Shea is healthy, Hobart should have the advantage on face offs. Colgate has 4 main scorers on O, the starting attack and the middie Drouin. Colgate is very physical, but also commits a lot of penalties. Hobart has to weather the storm and play their game. Good luck.

That’s the problem we have good kids but can be punkish in that they’re not backing down from any trash. Sometimes get dragged down to their level and mess up.

[cooperstef]

That’s why they wanted to play in unplayable conditions last year they are trying to win by grinding in teams. And being a bit dirty (saw it last year not just Karwecks call but players on the field hitting way too late-I literally would be fine if we dropped gate from the schedule after that joke)
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We are talking about a contact sport, with high emotions, at the highest level. There's grown men on both sidelines. It's not mite hockey. Being hard to play against is something we want to be. Doesn't mean we are taking liberties out there but it's time we play on our toes physically rather than our heels. I wouldn't hate if every time someone else looked and saw Hobart on the schedule that they felt a uncertainty as to how it was going to go. There's a mental edge to that. I don't see anything wrong with how Colgate plays the game imo.

[brodad]

I respectfully disagree, Cooperstef. For example, boxing is a contact sport where you are literally trying to knock your opponent unconscious, but can you thumb him in the eye? No. Can you headbutt him or hit him below the belt? No and no. There are rules, and if you break them you will be warned and maybe penalized a point. And if you keep breaking the rules you will be disqualified. Same goes for football, and the same should go for lacrosse. If a team is committing enough penalties to result in 10 emo's for the other team, maybe it's time to boot one of the offenders out of the game to prevent others from getting seriously injured.

[SMAIN]

Here in Florida I read the sport pages of the Herald-Tribune. An interesting article entitled "Bolds defensive change rewarded".The Blots (hockey) changed from man coverage to zone.
I don't ever remember Raymond going to a Zone Defense. Is he stubborn or just doesn't know. I would love to see a Zone on occasion when the defense is having problems.Switch back and forth..... maybe confuse the opponent.....try it.

[cooperstef]

Outside of one play which was somewhat a bang bang play, what happened in the Syracuse/Colgate game that would warrant players being thrown out? It was a physical game from both teams. It's lacrosse. Division 1 lacrosse. We won't ever agree on this, but I respectfully do not think that anyone is intentionally injuring anyone. The bulk of my comment was about how I think having a physical style of lacrosse as an identity is something that you want as a team. No one wants to be an easy team to play against. There is a ton of ways to be a difficult team to play against and one of those just happens to be a team that toes the line a little more than others. That's all.