Possible face-off changes

[RumorMill]

A game decided because one guy can clamp a ball better then another guy is pretty stupid when you think about it.

This is the part that continues to frustrate me... those that think/believe the clamp is what determines winning the faceoff and/or the game. It's one factor, but by no means leads to consistently winning possession. As many have commented on here, the faceoff is severely under coached. Wing play is such a huge part of winning possession off the faceoff. If I were coaching (probably fortunate for most that I am not), I would triple pole the faceoff often, when going against a superior "clamper"... of course coaching all three on what to do and where to go based on the opposition and what they favored.

[LILaxLaw]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

[CharlesS]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

[cmbtp88]

First of all, division one goalies have excellent stick skills and must be able to pass the ball on a dime. Secondly, goalies are the leaders of the defense and have to constantly communicate with there teammates. Goalies need the defense to play as a unit and do there job to have success. Goalies also have to handle extreme pressure and stay focused the entire game. Most goalies started playing goalie at a young age while Fogo's started taking faceoffs much later when they found out they were not good enough to play offense or defense. A game decided because one guy can clamp a ball better then another guy is pretty stupid when you think about it.

obvious you never played lacrosse or were a goalie. No its goalies that usually play goalie because they cant play other positions or run the field. Most FO guys play Midi both offensive and defensive growing up as well as FO. Being a dedicated FO guy usually starts sometime around HS. What game was decided last year because one guy clamped faster than another? Many FO guys don't even clamp now. You know nothing about FO, a lot more to it than clamping. Your comments are lazy and clueless.

[Laxnation]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

Many overweight unathletic kids did play goalie in youth lacrosse but many very athletic kids who decided to play goalie as there first choice. Most division one goalies are athletic or have amazing hand eye coordination. Other than the fogo's who wrestled in high school and a few other exceptions, face off specialists are on average the most unathletic players on the team. Some kids were born to play goalie but nobody dreamed of taking faceoffs.

The best faceoff would be a drop ball and let the team fight it out or get rid of them all together. I am sorry for those who want to keep faceoffs so they can get there kids in a better school. It's not fair to the 100 plus players on the field that many of these games are decided by two guys. The game would be more popular and exciting without faceoffs.

[cmbtp88]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

Many overweight unathletic kids did play goalie in youth lacrosse but many very athletic kids who decided to play goalie as there first choice. Most division one goalies are athletic or have amazing hand eye coordination. Other than the fogo's who wrestled in high school and a few other exceptions, face off specialists are on average the most unathletic players on the team. Some kids were born to play goalie but nobody dreamed of taking faceoffs.

The best faceoff would be a drop ball and let the team fight it out or get rid of them all together. I am sorry for those who want to keep faceoffs so they can get there kids in a better school. It's not fair to the 100 plus players on the field that many of these games are decided by two guys. The game would be more popular and exciting without faceoffs.

Once again proving you know nothing about FO, or lacrosse.

[Laxnation]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

Many overweight unathletic kids did play goalie in youth lacrosse but many very athletic kids who decided to play goalie as there first choice. Most division one goalies are athletic or have amazing hand eye coordination. Other than the fogo's who wrestled in high school and a few other exceptions, face off specialists are on average the most unathletic players on the team. Some kids were born to play goalie but nobody dreamed of taking faceoffs.

The best faceoff would be a drop ball and let the team fight it out or get rid of them all together. I am sorry for those who want to keep faceoffs so they can get there kids in a better school. It's not fair to the 100 plus players on the field that many of these games are decided by two guys. The game would be more popular and exciting without faceoffs.

Once again proving you know nothing about FO, or lacrosse.

You can't use logic with an illogical person, so I don't expect you to understand.

In addition to everything else I said, fogo's slow down the game, their is too much involvement with the refs, too many injuries and games would be more competitive without them. Their is a reason why face off rules are changing every year!! Put you selfish interests aside and get with the times for the good of the sport.

[RumorMill]

Good read, if you haven't already. Talking about two of the best, but mentions athleticism and how important wing play is/was:

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2 ... n-danowski

[xxxxxxx]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

Many overweight unathletic kids did play goalie in youth lacrosse but many very athletic kids who decided to play goalie as there first choice. Most division one goalies are athletic or have amazing hand eye coordination. Other than the fogo's who wrestled in high school and a few other exceptions, face off specialists are on average the most unathletic players on the team. Some kids were born to play goalie but nobody dreamed of taking faceoffs.

The best faceoff would be a drop ball and let the team fight it out or get rid of them all together. I am sorry for those who want to keep faceoffs so they can get there kids in a better school. It's not fair to the 100 plus players on the field that many of these games are decided by two guys. The game would be more popular and exciting without faceoffs.

Once again proving you know nothing about FO, or lacrosse.

You can't use logic with an illogical person, so I don't expect you to understand.

In addition to everything else I said, fogo's slow down the game, their is too much involvement with the refs, too many injuries and games would be more competitive without them. Their is a reason why face off rules are changing every year!! Put you selfish interests aside and get with the times for the good of the sport.

I don't think Laxnation believes any of this and is just trolling to get people worked up, move along nothing to see here. No one could actually be this ignorant about the game.

[MDralphie]

xxxxxxx is absolutely correct

[Laxnation]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

Many overweight unathletic kids did play goalie in youth lacrosse but many very athletic kids who decided to play goalie as there first choice. Most division one goalies are athletic or have amazing hand eye coordination. Other than the fogo's who wrestled in high school and a few other exceptions, face off specialists are on average the most unathletic players on the team. Some kids were born to play goalie but nobody dreamed of taking faceoffs.

The best faceoff would be a drop ball and let the team fight it out or get rid of them all together. I am sorry for those who want to keep faceoffs so they can get there kids in a better school. It's not fair to the 100 plus players on the field that many of these games are decided by two guys. The game would be more popular and exciting without faceoffs.

Once again proving you know nothing about FO, or lacrosse.

You can't use logic with an illogical person, so I don't expect you to understand.

In addition to everything else I said, fogo's slow down the game, their is too much involvement with the refs, too many injuries and games would be more competitive without them. Their is a reason why face off rules are changing every year!! Put you selfish interests aside and get with the times for the good of the sport.

I don't think Laxnation believes any of this and is just trolling to get people worked up, move along nothing to see here. No one could actually be this ignorant about the game.

I'm not a troll, I'm just saying what many people are thinking including current players, former players, pll and the ncaa rules committee. Obviously it's hard to take away faceoffs all at once, so they are changing it a little at a time, so the close minded traditionalists won't do completely crazy. The clamp absolutely needs to go!

[FOGO_Daze]

The amount of sheer nonsense in these posts just show how much people don;t know about faceoffs. The top faceoff guys are athletic and that is why they are important to the game. They can score off the faceoff, get ground balls, and really change the games momentum. The most unathletic guys, Goalies for sure. The hatred on FO has to sto, It's an important part of the game and can change a game with the most electrifying moment being a score off the FO. Otherwise, a swipe, and ground ball, is actually what slows the game down.

[youthathletics]

Is this a legal grip with the top hand placement?



And this one moments later?

[TNLAX]

Looks like to me, by looking at the ball position, that the whistle has been blown to start the faceoff in the photos. Prior to the whistle being blown your hands are not allowed to be touching the plastic part of the head. (I think)

[stupefied]

No disrespect but that’s a lazy take on Fogos.
Many were actually very good athletes whose middle school or high school team needed someone athletic to go in and win a faceoff. For many it was taking one for the team in order to help win games.
Not sure many goalies were chosen to play their position because they were that athletic.

Usually the most unathletic got stuck in goal in youth. If you were athletic, you were needed somewhere else.

Many overweight unathletic kids did play goalie in youth lacrosse but many very athletic kids who decided to play goalie as there first choice. Most division one goalies are athletic or have amazing hand eye coordination. Other than the fogo's who wrestled in high school and a few other exceptions, face off specialists are on average the most unathletic players on the team. Some kids were born to play goalie but nobody dreamed of taking faceoffs.

The best faceoff would be a drop ball and let the team fight it out or get rid of them all together. I am sorry for those who want to keep faceoffs so they can get there kids in a better school. It's not fair to the 100 plus players on the field that many of these games are decided by two guys. The game would be more popular and exciting without faceoffs.

Once again proving you know nothing about FO, or lacrosse.

You can't use logic with an illogical person, so I don't expect you to understand.

In addition to everything else I said, fogo's slow down the game, their is too much involvement with the refs, too many injuries and games would be more competitive without them. Their is a reason why face off rules are changing every year!! Put you selfish interests aside and get with the times for the good of the sport.

I don't think Laxnation believes any of this and is just trolling to get people worked up, move along nothing to see here. No one could actually be this ignorant about the game.

I'm not a troll, I'm just saying what many people are thinking including current players, former players, pll and the ncaa rules committee. Obviously it's hard to take away faceoffs all at once, so they are changing it a little at a time, so the close minded traditionalists won't do completely crazy. The clamp absolutely needs to go!

Rather see them do away with field goal kickers . Faceoffs and wing play are enjoyable part of game

[youthathletics]

Looks like to me, by looking at the ball position, that the whistle has been blown to start the faceoff in the photos. Prior to the whistle being blown your hands are not allowed to be touching the plastic part of the head. (I think)

It was live so my screen snips were not perfect. Hands were on the throat of the stick every time the camera gave us that view.

[kramerica.inc]

Not disputing the evidence or what you saw.

But most of the faceoff heads have much shorter "throats" to allow the hand to get closer to the head.
Additionally, they are attached by inserting the head into the shaft, rather than the traditional sliding of a head onto a pole.
Usually allows the hand to get an inch or two closer to the head during setup, legally, without having your hand on the plastic.

i.e:

[laxpert]

Officials usually look for the contrasting color

Rule 4
Section III
15. Paint or a single wrap of thin tape shall be applied to the handle of the
crosse for any player taking a faceoff. The tape or paint is to begin (but
not touch) the plastic at the throat of the crosse and continue 6 inches
down the handle. The tape or paint shall be of contrasting color to the
head, gloves and shaft. Thick or sticky material is prohibited.

[Can Opener]

No further questions at this time.
https://twitter.com/FlowGo37/status/1775333647211438107

[FOGO_Daze]

most exciting part of the game