Is America a racist nation?

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But the written article misses a whole lot of detail and color that I found particularly compelling in the podcast.

For instance, were FREE African Americans allowed to own guns under the 2nd Amendment?
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“A Black man who spent 16 years in prison after being wrongfully convicted of a violent crime was shot and killed by police in Georgia on Monday.

Leonard Cure, 53, was killed after a sheriff’s deputy pulled him over in south-eastern Georgia’s Camden county early on Monday morning. The Georgia bureau of investigation (GBI) is examining the shooting.

Cure was released from prison in Florida in 2020 after a conviction review unit exonerated him of robbing a drug store in 2003.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... led-police
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:08 am “A Black man who spent 16 years in prison after being wrongfully convicted of a violent crime was shot and killed by police in Georgia on Monday.

Leonard Cure, 53, was killed after a sheriff’s deputy pulled him over in south-eastern Georgia’s Camden county early on Monday morning. The Georgia bureau of investigation (GBI) is examining the shooting.

Cure was released from prison in Florida in 2020 after a conviction review unit exonerated him of robbing a drug store in 2003.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... led-police
Arbury territory is SE GA. Also Austin Scott's district as described in the gerrymandered expansion of his territory to me.

Savannah and not much else.

But when Cradle reads this he will mention Rochester and the dark kids who menace and are the real problem.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:55 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:08 am “A Black man who spent 16 years in prison after being wrongfully convicted of a violent crime was shot and killed by police in Georgia on Monday.

Leonard Cure, 53, was killed after a sheriff’s deputy pulled him over in south-eastern Georgia’s Camden county early on Monday morning. The Georgia bureau of investigation (GBI) is examining the shooting.

Cure was released from prison in Florida in 2020 after a conviction review unit exonerated him of robbing a drug store in 2003.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... led-police
Arbury territory is SE GA. Also Austin Scott's district as described in the gerrymandered expansion of his territory to me.

Savannah and not much else.

But when Cradle reads this he will mention Rochester and the dark kids who menace and are the real problem.
Depends, you talking about light dark, medium dark or dark dark? Given your attitude Binghamton comes to mind and the plethora of psychotic freaks that come from that neck of the woods. :D
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:55 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:08 am “A Black man who spent 16 years in prison after being wrongfully convicted of a violent crime was shot and killed by police in Georgia on Monday.

Leonard Cure, 53, was killed after a sheriff’s deputy pulled him over in south-eastern Georgia’s Camden county early on Monday morning. The Georgia bureau of investigation (GBI) is examining the shooting.

Cure was released from prison in Florida in 2020 after a conviction review unit exonerated him of robbing a drug store in 2003.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... led-police
Arbury territory is SE GA. Also Austin Scott's district as described in the gerrymandered expansion of his territory to me.

Savannah and not much else.

But when Cradle reads this he will mention Rochester and the dark kids who menace and are the real problem.
Depends, you talking about light dark, medium dark or dark dark? Given your attitude Binghamton comes to mind and the plethora of psychotic freaks that come from that neck of the woods. :D
The good ones leave. That’s how you tell the difference. Same for where you live…
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Wrongly convicted, they ‘lost hope’ after 17 years in prison. Then an OC mom helped prove their innocence
Annee Della Donna helped to set free two men in connection with a 2004 shooting in Lancaster, and built the Innocence OC project at UC Irvine in the process



https://www.ocregister.com/2023/10/20/w ... arsely-api


They seemed destined to die in prison, but two men serving life sentences were set free because the daughter of a Laguna Beach lawyer needed a driving lesson.

When attorney Annee Della Donna hired driving instructor Daniel Mulrenin, she was unaware he had another set of skills. He was a private investigator and retired Los Angeles Police Department lieutenant haunted by the case of two Black teenagers who he believed were wrongly convicted on multiple charges of attempted murder.

Mulrenin couldn’t stop thinking about it. And in Della Donna’s kitchen, he couldn’t stop talking about it.

“I couldn’t let it go, because I know they didn’t do it,” Mulrenin recalled. “How could I come home to my wife and live by the beach when those guys are serving 11 consecutive life sentences?”

Della Donna had a full calendar of civil cases and no experience as a criminal lawyer. But she listened as Mulrenin told how he was hired by a defense firm to look into the Los Angeles County conviction of Juan Rayford with Dupree Glass. Rayford’s family, however, ran out of money and the firm dropped the case, Mulrenin said.

“I took the opportunity to tell her about Juan and Dupree because I was stuck in limbo and I had no lawyer who could pick it up and run,” Mulrenin said.

He found a sympathetic ear in Della Donna, an aficionado of Russian ballet and the wife of a hospital emergency room doctor. A self-described crusader, Della Donna liked nothing more than to champion underdogs.

Mulrenin knew she was hooked when her eyes lit up and she asked to hear more.

“I had prayed and prayed about it, I didn’t know a lot of attorneys,” said Mulrenin, a devout Catholic whose experience had shown him that cops can make mistakes. “She was the answer to my prayers.”

In that kitchen, the gumshoe/driving instructor and the attorney/mom forged a partnership in 2011 determined to prove the innocence of Rayford and Glass, despite a prosecutorial team intent on preserving their convictions.

Help from law students
Mulrenin dropped off stacks of boxes containing evidence at Della Donna’s house. Those files detailed the Jan. 2, 2004, shooting that was quickly blamed on two teenagers who had no idea what they were in for.

Della Donna enlisted the aid of students at the UC Irvine School of Law, who helped tear through the documents, track down witnesses, review legal theories and prepare court challenges. Their work would blossom into a university project dubbed Innocence OC, which today works on behalf of others thought to be wrongly convicted.

In all, they have won the release of 13 people through a reversal of convictions or clemency petitions.

“Most lawyers go their entire careers and never have something like Annee is doing,” said Anna Davis, who runs the pro bono program at the UC Irvine School of Law. “I think the students just love Annee, she’s got energy and passion that you just don’t see.”

Said Della Donna: “I’ve always been a bit of a Nancy Drew.”

Nine years after Della Donna and Mulrenin joined forces, the case against Rayford and Glass collapsed on appeal and they were released in October 2020 — after spending nearly 17 years behind bars. Earlier this year, a judge declared Rayford and Glass were not the shooters.

And in November, the state is expected to give them nearly $900,000 apiece in compensation for their time in prison.

In recent interviews with the Southern California News Group, Rayford and Glass discussed what happened the day of the shootings, their gratitude for those who secured their release and how they have rebuilt their lives since they walked out of prison.

Night of the shooting
On Jan. 2, 2004, Juan Rayford was an 18-year-old with NFL dreams, having played wide receiver for the Antelope Valley High School football team.

He was at a party that night, shooting dice in the back room, when he heard his friend, Dupree Glass, 17, was heading to another house to fight a guy who had challenged him. Rayford drove with Glass to the second house; both said they didn’t have any guns.

When they arrived, 15 to 20 other kids were already milling around the front yard, waiting to see the fight. But the other combatant never showed up. Sheila Lair, who owned the house, walked out the front door to tell everybody to go home, there wasn’t going to be a fight that night.

And that’s when the shooting started. Eight bullets were fired from outside the house, piercing windows and walls, according to court records. Two people were injured, but no one was killed.

Glass, in an interview, remembered hugging the ground, “trying to figure out who was doing this dumb-ass (stuff) because we all knew each other.” Glass had shared several meals with Lair’s family at the house.

After the shooting, he and Rayford went home and forgot about it. “I was a kid, like, no harm, no foul,” Glass said.

But Lair, angry that her home had been shot up, didn’t forget about it. Neither did Los Angeles County sheriff’s Detective Christopher Keeling.

Eleven days after the shooting, Rayford and Glass were at a Highland High School basketball game. A teacher walked up to Glass and took him to a deputy. Rayford walked over to see what was happening. Both teenagers went to jail that night and didn’t get out for nearly two decades.

At the sheriff’s station, Glass remembered seeing a bulletin for his arrest on the wall, devil horns drawn with red ink on his photo. He said there were darts in the poster.

“It was beyond devastating. When you’re young, you’re naive,” he said. “I didn’t grow up going to court or visiting prisons. I knew nothing about that world.”

He was about to find out.

‘Excited to start trial’
Glass and Rayford thought it was all a misunderstanding that would get cleared up, at least when they got to trial. “The whole time we were actually excited to start trial, because we didn’t do nothing,” Glass said.

The trial came in September 2004. It was a two-day affair that Della Donna said was before an all-White jury. Forensics showed the shots came from two directions and from two different calibers. No guns were recovered.

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Michael Blake called two eyewitnesses, Lair and her 15-year-old daughter, Donisha Williams.

Both identified Rayford and Glass as the shooters. Another person, Douglas Bland — who went by the moniker “Fat Man” — had also been identified as a shooter. According to court records submitted by Della Donna, forensics had shown there were only two gunmen. So how could both Rayford and Glass be implicated?

Prosecutor Blake argued there must have been three shooters.

Blake also used the then-novel “kill zone” theory of law, which was adopted in California in 2002 under the case of People vs. Bland. Since there were 11 people in the house at the time of the shooting — all in the so-called “kill zone” — Rayford and Glass were charged by Blake with 11 counts of attempted willful murder.

A jury convicted them of all 11 counts, each carrying a consecutive life sentence. The judge also tacked on 220 years apiece for gang enhancements.

At the time Glass was 5-feet-7, 120 pounds, and looking at hard time.

‘Shocked, confused, scared, nervous’
“It was like being snatched from heaven and going to hell without no good reason,” Glass said.

Rayford couldn’t wrap his brain around the idea that he wasn’t free to leave.

“I was shocked, confused, scared, nervous. I couldn’t see myself going to jail for something I hadn’t done,” he said. “I always assumed … everything was going to iron itself out. I would have bet a million dollars I was going home that day.”

Prison was tough on the two lifers. As a juvenile, Glass started in county jail and eventually was sent to a Level 4, high-security, state correctional facility. There were nights that Glass went to sleep praying he wouldn’t wake up.

“Murders, rapes, whatever you can think of, I’ve witnessed it,” he said. “I lost hope.”

Juan Rayford was barely an adult — a terrified teenager — when he entered prison. After the first frightening year, Rayford acclimated to prison life, studying in the law library and working as a janitor of sorts. He became a middleman for prisoners, passing notes while sweeping the floors, delivering food or hot water for tea, working somewhat as a prison porter.

New attorney takes case
In that capacity, he met another prisoner known only to him as “Sugar Bear.” For some reason that Rayford still doesn’t know, “Sugar Bear” hooked up Rayford with his attorney, who took Rayford’s case and hired private investigator Mulrenin.

But Rayford’s family ran out of money for the attorney and Mulrenin was left with no lawyer to pursue the case. And that’s when he found Della Donna, who had a soft spot for charity work. As a teen, she once labored for a week in the kitchen of a Tijuana poor house.

Della Donna was intrigued, but first wanted to meet Rayford before signing on to working for free. She and Mulrenin drove the 4 1/2 hours to the men’s prison in San Luis Opisbo; it was Della Donna’s first time in a correctional institution. After talking to Rayford, she believed his story.

“From there she jumped in with both feet,” remembered Mulrenin. “From that point, I had to keep up with her. … Annee is a bulldog.”

Criminal law novice
Della Donna knew little, if anything, about criminal law. Her background was in civil injury. In the 1980s, she was an associate for retired California Supreme Court Justice Marcus Kaufman, working on appellate cases. The experience stoked Della Donna’s scrappy spirit

“When people tell me ‘no,’ I don’t listen,” she said.

Della Donna started boning up on criminal law, talking to every criminal attorney she could find and eventually turning to UCI Law School. She put together a group of five students to work through the case of Rayford and Glass.

Della Donna and the students debated, wrote briefs, tore the case apart. Discrepancies appeared. The “kill zone” theory seemed overly broad. And no one had interviewed the 20 or so other people present during the shooting, she said.


Della Donna and her students went to work, tracking down 12 other witnesses and sending Mulrenin to interview them. Each person they interviewed said Rayford and Glass were not the shooters. Della Donna also found Lair’s other daughter, Shadonna, who said she could see Rayford and Glass and they were not armed.

Confronted by Mulrenin with those statements, Lair said she was angry that Rayford and Glass wouldn’t tell her the names of the actual shooters.

“She said something to the effect, ‘Well, if they weren’t the shooters, they should have told me who the shooters were,’ ” Mulrenin said.

Despite the growing evidence that Rayford and Glass were innocent, prosecutors fought to preserve the convictions and keep them in prison.

‘Kill zone’ theory challenged
Before Della Donna got involved, an appellate court dropped the gang enhancements, citing insufficient evidence that the two young men belonged to a gang. Della Donna went to work on the “kill zone” theory, filing brief after brief to the appeals court that the theory was overly broad and improperly applied.

In 2019, the state Supreme Court changed the game in People v. Canizales, ruling the theory requires that the shooter intend to murder one specific person in the kill zone and be willing to take down all the others in the zone to accomplish that goal. Such was not the case with Rayford and Glass, and, the next year, appellate justices overturned their 11 convictions. The district attorney’s office ultimately decided not to retry the case.

But Rayford and Glass weren’t out of the woods. Because of red tape and bureaucratic mix-ups, it took months for Della Donna to get both of them out of prison.

“Annee had to do what Annee does, piss people off to get me home,” Rayford said. “I was living the dream that day.”

Before Glass left the facility in Kern Valley, he gave his shoes to a fellow prisoner and then walked out of the gates to call his mother.

“I’m beyond grateful,” he said. “Every time I see (Della Donna and Mulrenin), it’s like I’m meeting Lebron James.”

But Della Donna wasn’t finished. She and civil lawyer Eric Dubin wanted a judge to declare Rayford and Glass factually innocent — and the attorneys wanted the state to pay the pair for their time in prison after being wrongfully convicted.

DA stands by convictions
Della Donna won a hearing on their innocence, which was opposed by the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office under reformist George Gascon. A response submitted by prosecutors said they still believed Rayford and Glass shot at Lair’s home.

“The defendants are not actually innocent,” said the D.A.’s opposition papers. “The motion’s principal claim — that two key trial witnesses lied under oath — is false. … Respondent has not lost confidence in this conviction.”

Testifying during the innocence hearing in April, Lair stayed the course, giving the same testimony as in the trial — Rayford and Glass were the shooters. Only this time, her credibility was damaged by what she had earlier told Mulrenin. Her daughter, Donisha, didn’t show up to testify, Della Donna said.

When it was their turn, Della Donna and Dubin had a new witness, Chad McZeal, a gang member serving 90 years to life for another shooting. McZeal confessed on the witness stand to being the second shooter at Lair’s home, clearing Rayford and Dupree. McZeal had earlier reached out from prison to Rayford’s family, wanting to clear his conscience.

What sealed the deal for Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge H. Clay Jacke was the courtroom reaction of Rayford and Glass to McZeal’s confession.

Rayford jumped to his feet in court and began yelling, “Why?” Glass sobbed at the defense table.

Judge: Not the shooters
“Now, that is what I call newly discovered evidence,” Jacke said, adding, “Mr. Rayford and Mr. Glass were not shooters, nor did they aid and abet the actual shooters, who the court believes were Mr. Bland and Mr. McZeal.”

Still, Della Donna and Dubin had one more task. They continued to fight for Rayford and Glass to get paid out of a state fund for victims of crime.

In September, the state Attorney General’s Office said it would not oppose the California Victim Compensation Board’s decision to award Rayford and Glass $867,020 each for 6,136 days of incarceration. The board is scheduled to consider the payment Nov. 16.

Both Rayford and Glass now work for Walmart and have small children. Rayford’s high school sweetheart had waited for him.

Meanwhile, Della Donna’s Innocence OC has become one of the most popular volunteer projects on the UC Irvine Law School campus, with 52 students going through it over the years. She and Dubin now are taking aim at dismantling the “kill zone” theory overall, saying it is overused by prosecutors to avoid having to prove intent in attempted murder cases.

“There’s a lot more Juan and Duprees out there, a lot more stories to be told,” Dubin said.

And Della Donna’s daughter, Eliana, now 28, did, indeed, get her driver’s license — although her skill behind the wheel is questionable, says her mother.




Cases like these are why the USA needs to get its house in order before venturing into foreign wars and other troubles.
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Now Fort Eisenhower in Augusta GA (formerly Fort Gordon) - HQ for US Army Signal Corps

Completes the renaming regimen for the Army

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Kismet wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:26 am Now Fort Eisenhower in Augusta GA (formerly Fort Gordon) - HQ for US Army Signal Corps

Completes the renaming regimen for the Army

https://www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/ ... s-by-2024/


Excellent!
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Another murderous cop found not guilty in the killing of an innocent black man who had not committed any crime:


Jury finds Colorado officer not guilty in Elijah McClain's killing

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jury-f ... 023-11-06/


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The facts and video shown on TV clearly show that the man had committed no crime whatsoever. Stupid cops had no business stopping him. Had he been white they would have left him alone. Everybody knows it, too.

The cops deserve the hanging tree for their crime against him.

This is the type of problem we need to solve here in the USA as opposed to the stupidity of getting involved in foreign wars that are of no consequence to any of us.
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There is at least some hope:


Yusef Salaam, exonerated ‘Central Park Five’ member, poised to win NYC council seat


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/y ... uncil-seat


Exonerated “Central Park Five” member Yusef Salaam is poised to win a seat Tuesday on the New York City Council, marking a stunning reversal of fortune for a political newcomer who was wrongly imprisoned as a teenager in the infamous rape case.

Salaam, a Democrat, will represent a central Harlem district on the City Council, having run unopposed for the seat in one of many local elections playing out across New York state on Tuesday. He won his primary election in a landslide.

The victory will come more than two decades after DNA evidence was used to overturn the convictions of Salaam and four other Black and Latino men in the 1989 rape and beating of a white jogger in Central Park. Salaam was imprisoned for almost seven years.

“For me, this means that we can really become our ancestors’ wildest dreams,” Salaam said in an interview before the election.

Elsewhere in New York City, voters will decide whether to reelect the Queens district attorney and cast ballots in other City Council races. The council, which passes legislation and has some oversight powers over city agencies, has long been dominated by Democrats and the party is certain to retain firm control after the election.

Local elections on Long Island could offer clues about how the city’s suburbs could vote in next year’s congressional elections.

Races for Suffolk County executive and North Hempstead supervisor have been the most prominent, though the races are expected to have low turnout because they are happening in a year without federal or statewide candidates on the ballot.

“Keeping an eye on Long Island, which has been a little counterintuitive in its election outcomes the last few years with a mix of national and local issues, gives you a chance to see what’s playing in a typical suburb that’s not unlike the ones in Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, Virginia, Arizona, Nevada and other places that both parties believe are at play,” said Lawrence Levy, executive dean of the National Center for Suburban Studies at Hofstra University on Long Island.

Democrats lost in all four of Long Island’s congressional districts last year and have dedicated significant resources to the region for 2024. Republicans, bolstering campaigns with a focus on local issues such as crime and migrants, are aiming to hold onto the seats next year.

In the city meanwhile, Salaam’s candidacy is a reminder of what the war on crime can look like when it goes too far.

Salaam was just 15 years old when he was arrested along with Antron McCray, Kevin Richardson, Raymond Santana and Korey Wise and accused of attacking a woman running in Central Park.

The crime dominated headlines in the city, inflaming racial tensions as police rounded up Black and Latino men and boys for interrogation. Former President Donald Trump, then just a brash real estate executive in the city, took out large ads in newspapers that implored New York to bring back the death penalty.

The teens convicted in the attack served between five and 12 years in prison before the case was reexamined.

A serial rapist and murderer was eventually linked to the crime through DNA evidence and a confession. The convictions of the Central Park Five were vacated in 2002 and they received a combined $41 million settlement from the city.

Salaam campaigned on easing poverty and combatting gentrification in Harlem. He often mentioned his conviction and imprisonment on the trail — his place as a symbol of injustice helping to animate the overwhelmingly Black district and propel him to victory.

“I am really the ambassador for everyone’s pain,” he said. “In many ways, I went through that for our people so I can now lead them.”

In a more competitive City Council race Tuesday, Democrat Justin Brannan faces off against Republican Ari Kagan in an ethnically-diverse south Brooklyn district. The race has become heated as the candidates neared Election Day, with the pair sparring over the Israel-Hamas war and New York’s migrant crisis.

In a slight that symbolized the tension between the two men, Brannan recently tweeted a photo of a ribbon cutting ceremony that he and Kagan attended, but the image had Kagan’s face blurred out.

Statewide, New Yorkers will be voting on two ballot measures. One would remove the debt limit placed on small city school districts under the state Constitution. The second would extend an exclusion from the debt limit for sewage projects.





Glad that this unfortunate guy has been able to re make his life. But his victimization is what happens when society looks the other way and decides that endless foreign wars and war profiteering is of greater importance than in dealing with our own domestic problems. It takes the most supreme idiocy imaginable to prioritize useless foreign affairs over our own problems. A lesson lost on Biden whose popularity ratings are dropping faster than an avalanche. Yeah his actions in financing more war overseas gets the ready approval of the pro war crowd here on fanlax. But it is costing him support and votes. Well, it's the old story ~ stupidity has its price.
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Kismet wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:26 am Now Fort Eisenhower in Augusta GA (formerly Fort Gordon) - HQ for US Army Signal Corps

Completes the renaming regimen for the Army

https://www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/ ... s-by-2024/
So Fort Ike it is. A nice tribute to the general who led the allies to victory in WW2. Too bad they couldn't find an appropriate new name for Ft Bragg. There were some outstanding options available. Some dumb cluck decided on a new name I will never use. I spent 3 years of my life and a lot of blood, sweat and tears training at Ft Bragg. IMO, for the most part the renaming went very well. Then they arrived at Ft Bragg and dropped the ball big-time. Ft Ridgeway would have meant the world to all of the paratroopers at Ft Bragg. The 82nd was organized, trained and led by Gen. Matthew Ridgeway for a good part of WW2. It will always be Ft Bragg to this old paratrooper. FTR the name change at Ft Benning was spot on...Ft Moore is a fitting tribute to a magnificent combat leader. Also his wife did amazing work when it came to notifying families whose soldiers were killed or wounded in combat. The crassness of a taxi driver pulling up in front of the house to deliver a telegram was absurd.
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While pro war right wingers on this forum stupidly persist in promoting forum wars, black Americans continue to get persecuted by criminal cops:




Police investigation underway after children left behind following arrest at traffic stop in Hazelwood


https://www.kmov.com/2023/10/27/police- ... hazelwood/


Hazelwood Police Chief James Hudanick says an internal investigation is underway after a traffic stop Wednesday night.

It happened around 11:30 pm near Lindbergh and McDonnell. Joseph Hibler was pulled over for an expired license plate on his way home from a funeral.

Hibler says the officer told him he had an open warrant. The warrant stemmed from a citation from 2018 over no vehicle insurance. He described what was going through his mind when the officer told him to get out of the car and handcuff him.

“My children are in the car. There’s no way they’re going to take me away from my children,” Hibler said

A bystander captured the traffic stop on camera. Hibler is heard saying it “isn’t even serious” as police hold him against the squad car and moments later tase him.

Meanwhile, the four kids, ages 14, 13, 11 and one year old, sit in the car. The video shows police drive Hibler away and then check on the kids, asking if any of them have a driver’s license. But then officers leave the scene. Video from the bystander shows the car on the side of the road with the children inside.

“What the hell? Who would leave minors in the car by themselves late at night,” is the question JaCee Robertson can’t stop asking.

She was still at her father’s funeral when she got the text from her fiancé that he had been pulled over. She finally reached her children who were hysterical. She drove the route home and found them.

“We see them on the side of the road, with the door open, the headlights on, the car still running,” said Robertson.

Hazelwood Police Chief Hudanick says it is their policy that minors should not be left unattended. The internal investigation will look into use of force from this incident as well as the policy surrounding passengers in the car. First Alert Four is working to learn the status of the offices and additional details of the investigation.

Hibler was released Thursday morning and no charges have been filed surrounding the traffic stop at this time.






Four innocent children terrified by cops. All this for nothing more than a minor offense. The moronic cops could easily have given the man a ticket and that would have solved it. But no, always "best" for these idiots to arrest someone, jeopardize the safety of innocent children, and set up a possible million dollar lawsuit that is going to harm taxpayers. I bet this pleases the pro war delusionals who remain obsessed with promoting more foreign wars, higher taxes, and more social unrest both at home and abroad.
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https://captimes.com/news/government/ne ... ebc0a.html

Neo-Nazi Blood Tribe rally in Madison WI today complete with Sieg Heil salutes, swastikas and Down with Israel chants at a local synagoguea as well as a plethora of anti-Semitic and anti-LBGTQ rants.

Chanting "We are everywhere," and "There will be blood," according to witnesses.

You decide.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:36 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:26 am Now Fort Eisenhower in Augusta GA (formerly Fort Gordon) - HQ for US Army Signal Corps

Completes the renaming regimen for the Army

https://www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/ ... s-by-2024/
So Fort Ike it is. A nice tribute to the general who led the allies to victory in WW2. Too bad they couldn't find an appropriate new name for Ft Bragg. There were some outstanding options available. Some dumb cluck decided on a new name I will never use. I spent 3 years of my life and a lot of blood, sweat and tears training at Ft Bragg. IMO, for the most part the renaming went very well. Then they arrived at Ft Bragg and dropped the ball big-time. Ft Ridgeway would have meant the world to all of the paratroopers at Ft Bragg. The 82nd was organized, trained and led by Gen. Matthew Ridgeway for a good part of WW2. It will always be Ft Bragg to this old paratrooper. FTR the name change at Ft Benning was spot on...Ft Moore is a fitting tribute to a magnificent combat leader. Also his wife did amazing work when it came to notifying families whose soldiers were killed or wounded in combat. The crassness of a taxi driver pulling up in front of the house to deliver a telegram was absurd.
We Were Soldiers Once...And Young La Drang - The Battle that Changed the War In Vietnam, was a great book written by Gen. Moore and Joe Galloway. If I remember correctly the Medal of Honor was awarded to three heroes for their actions. I do recall Crandall and Freeman, Huey pilots, received them. The movie that came out later was done pretty well.
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6x6 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:36 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:26 am Now Fort Eisenhower in Augusta GA (formerly Fort Gordon) - HQ for US Army Signal Corps

Completes the renaming regimen for the Army

https://www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/ ... s-by-2024/
So Fort Ike it is. A nice tribute to the general who led the allies to victory in WW2. Too bad they couldn't find an appropriate new name for Ft Bragg. There were some outstanding options available. Some dumb cluck decided on a new name I will never use. I spent 3 years of my life and a lot of blood, sweat and tears training at Ft Bragg. IMO, for the most part the renaming went very well. Then they arrived at Ft Bragg and dropped the ball big-time. Ft Ridgeway would have meant the world to all of the paratroopers at Ft Bragg. The 82nd was organized, trained and led by Gen. Matthew Ridgeway for a good part of WW2. It will always be Ft Bragg to this old paratrooper. FTR the name change at Ft Benning was spot on...Ft Moore is a fitting tribute to a magnificent combat leader. Also his wife did amazing work when it came to notifying families whose soldiers were killed or wounded in combat. The crassness of a taxi driver pulling up in front of the house to deliver a telegram was absurd.
We Were Soldiers Once...And Young La Drang - The Battle that Changed the War In Vietnam, was a great book written by Gen. Moore and Joe Galloway. If I remember correctly the Medal of Honor was awarded to three heroes for their actions. I do recall Crandall and Freeman, Huey pilots, received them. The movie that came out later was done pretty well.
Think its Ia Drang not La Drang. . Army units involved were 1st/2nd battalions of 7th Air Cavalry Regiment (part of Army's 1st Cavalry Division) and don't believe they were paratroopers. You are correct though - 3 MoH including two Huey pilots, countless other awards and a Presidential Unit Citation. Also significant that UPI war correspondent Journalist Joseph Galloway is the only civilian awarded the Bronze Star Medal for heroism during the Vietnam War. On Nov. 15, 1965, he disregarded his own safety to help rescue two wounded soldiers while under fire.

Galloway later wrote - Ia Drang – The Battle That Convinced Ho Chi Minh He Could Win

https://www.historynet.com/ia-drang-whe ... never-win/
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Kismet wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:19 am
6x6 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:36 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:26 am Now Fort Eisenhower in Augusta GA (formerly Fort Gordon) - HQ for US Army Signal Corps

Completes the renaming regimen for the Army

https://www.jbsa.mil/News/News/Article/ ... s-by-2024/
So Fort Ike it is. A nice tribute to the general who led the allies to victory in WW2. Too bad they couldn't find an appropriate new name for Ft Bragg. There were some outstanding options available. Some dumb cluck decided on a new name I will never use. I spent 3 years of my life and a lot of blood, sweat and tears training at Ft Bragg. IMO, for the most part the renaming went very well. Then they arrived at Ft Bragg and dropped the ball big-time. Ft Ridgeway would have meant the world to all of the paratroopers at Ft Bragg. The 82nd was organized, trained and led by Gen. Matthew Ridgeway for a good part of WW2. It will always be Ft Bragg to this old paratrooper. FTR the name change at Ft Benning was spot on...Ft Moore is a fitting tribute to a magnificent combat leader. Also his wife did amazing work when it came to notifying families whose soldiers were killed or wounded in combat. The crassness of a taxi driver pulling up in front of the house to deliver a telegram was absurd.
We Were Soldiers Once...And Young La Drang - The Battle that Changed the War In Vietnam, was a great book written by Gen. Moore and Joe Galloway. If I remember correctly the Medal of Honor was awarded to three heroes for their actions. I do recall Crandall and Freeman, Huey pilots, received them. The movie that came out later was done pretty well.
Think its Ia Drang not La Drang. . Army units involved were 1st/2nd battalions of 7th Air Cavalry Regiment (part of Army's 1st Cavalry Division) and don't believe they were paratroopers. You are correct though - 3 MoH including two Huey pilots, countless other awards and a Presidential Unit Citation. Also significant that UPI war correspondent Journalist Joseph Galloway is the only civilian awarded the Bronze Star Medal for heroism during the Vietnam War. On Nov. 15, 1965, he disregarded his own safety to help rescue two wounded soldiers while under fire.
My platoon Sargent was a veteran of " happy valley" the Battle of Ia Drang Valley was the armies introduction to a brand of warfare the French learned the hard way at Dien Bien Phu. The US Army learned the same lesson the French did. Underestimate the Charlie at your own risk. Anybody that has read the history of The Lost Platoon at Ia Drang Valley will understand the ineptitude of a West Point Infantry officer not respecting his enemy.
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racist police criminal Derek Chauvin reportedly stabbed in prison:


https://www.google.com/search?q=chauvin ... UTF-8#ip=1


A local tv report which I just watched indicates that the victim may have been someone else. Recently, he decided to ask for a new trial for his conviction upon confessing to denying George Floyd his civil rights. The appeal was denied. While he well deserves lex talionis for his crime, it should be done by the state, not by another prisoner.
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