Yeah, you do get it.
Bravo! So you FINALLY concede that if the Jewish people install your "One State Democracy" in Israel...they're F'ed, and will be driven into the sea.
No. It isn't. You're just figuring this out?
Now you're describing Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria. No Jewish folk there at all.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... -the-west/
Anti-Israel Demonstrators Hate the West
By RICH LOWRY, October 27, 2023
The cataract of anti-Israel sentiment on college campuses has been shocking, but it shouldn’t be surprising.
It is the poisoned fruit of teaching a generation of college students to despise their own civilization.
Jesse Jackson famously led a chant at Stanford University in 1987, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” He was talking about the college course, but he might as well have been talking about the thing itself.
Jackson and his allies had extraordinary success in extinguishing the teaching of Western Civ. Not only have we largely stopped transmitting the story of our own civilization, we have substituted an alternative narrative that the West is reducible to racism, imperialism, and colonialism.
It is in this context that the current outburst of anti-Zionism has to be understood. Yes, it has been fed by anti-Israel agitation on campus over the decades, and yes, students are susceptible to witless radicalism in the best of circumstances. Yet the loathing of Israel is particularly intense because it is viewed as an outpost of Western civilization and all its alleged ills.
The hatred of Israel is tainted by, and in some cases driven by, antisemitism. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much about hatred of “the other,” as progressives put it, as hatred of ourselves and all our works.
It is, on one level, incorrect to consider Israel exclusively an artifact of the West. The Jews are indigenous to the region going back to Abraham, with their story caught up in the story of the land. A large proportion of the current population traces its origins from the Middle East and North Africa rather than Europe.
But there is no doubt that Israel is a Western society — in its political system, in its respect for rights, in its innovative economy, in its mores. Someone sitting in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv could easily think they were in any thriving coastal society in the West.
From any rational perspective, this would be something to celebrate. Many legitimate criticisms can be made of Israel, and indeed are a feature of the Israeli domestic debate itself, but there’s no doubt that it is a flourishing society.
If Gaza were equally Westernized, it would be worrying about whether it’s overbuilding seaside real estate rather than having to get water and electricity from the neighboring country its governing authority — a savage terror group — is trying to destroy.
Yet this is the society that anti-Western opinion holds up and wants to sweep all before it. This point of view loves Gaza for its failure and hates Israel for its success; loves Gaza for its terror and hates Israel for its self-defense; loves Gaza for its vicious anti-Western sponsors and hates Israel for its Western allies, especially the United States.
If this seems perverse, it’s what you’d expect of students and young people who have absorbed the premises of Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and their imitators. Even if students have never heard of them, these men and their thought suffuse higher education.
But what about the violence? How can these kids look past it, or implicitly endorse it?
Violence is part of the radical anti-Western vision. The anti-colonial bible, The Wretched of the Earth, written by Frantz Fanon in 1961, is widely taught on campus. Fanon sketched out a woke worldview before anyone used that term, arguing that, as a New Yorker essay put it, “the Western bourgeoisie was ‘fundamentally racist’ and its ‘bourgeois ideology’ of equality and dignity was merely a cover for capitalist-imperialist rapacity.”
Fanon wrote that “decolonization is always a violent phenomenon,” and in a preface to the book, the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre declared that the wretched of the earth “become men” through “mad fury.”
By this standard, Hamas is a good and worthy anti-colonial organization, and there’s no wonder it has found supporters and useful idiots among the West’s self-loathing radicals.
Jesusold salt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:47 amhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... -the-west/
Anti-Israel Demonstrators Hate the West
By RICH LOWRY, October 27, 2023
The cataract of anti-Israel sentiment on college campuses has been shocking, but it shouldn’t be surprising.
It is the poisoned fruit of teaching a generation of college students to despise their own civilization.
Jesse Jackson famously led a chant at Stanford University in 1987, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” He was talking about the college course, but he might as well have been talking about the thing itself.
Jackson and his allies had extraordinary success in extinguishing the teaching of Western Civ. Not only have we largely stopped transmitting the story of our own civilization, we have substituted an alternative narrative that the West is reducible to racism, imperialism, and colonialism.
It is in this context that the current outburst of anti-Zionism has to be understood. Yes, it has been fed by anti-Israel agitation on campus over the decades, and yes, students are susceptible to witless radicalism in the best of circumstances. Yet the loathing of Israel is particularly intense because it is viewed as an outpost of Western civilization and all its alleged ills.
The hatred of Israel is tainted by, and in some cases driven by, antisemitism. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much about hatred of “the other,” as progressives put it, as hatred of ourselves and all our works.
It is, on one level, incorrect to consider Israel exclusively an artifact of the West. The Jews are indigenous to the region going back to Abraham, with their story caught up in the story of the land. A large proportion of the current population traces its origins from the Middle East and North Africa rather than Europe.
But there is no doubt that Israel is a Western society — in its political system, in its respect for rights, in its innovative economy, in its mores. Someone sitting in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv could easily think they were in any thriving coastal society in the West.
From any rational perspective, this would be something to celebrate. Many legitimate criticisms can be made of Israel, and indeed are a feature of the Israeli domestic debate itself, but there’s no doubt that it is a flourishing society.
If Gaza were equally Westernized, it would be worrying about whether it’s overbuilding seaside real estate rather than having to get water and electricity from the neighboring country its governing authority — a savage terror group — is trying to destroy.
Yet this is the society that anti-Western opinion holds up and wants to sweep all before it. This point of view loves Gaza for its failure and hates Israel for its success; loves Gaza for its terror and hates Israel for its self-defense; loves Gaza for its vicious anti-Western sponsors and hates Israel for its Western allies, especially the United States.
If this seems perverse, it’s what you’d expect of students and young people who have absorbed the premises of Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and their imitators. Even if students have never heard of them, these men and their thought suffuse higher education.
But what about the violence? How can these kids look past it, or implicitly endorse it?
Violence is part of the radical anti-Western vision. The anti-colonial bible, The Wretched of the Earth, written by Frantz Fanon in 1961, is widely taught on campus. Fanon sketched out a woke worldview before anyone used that term, arguing that, as a New Yorker essay put it, “the Western bourgeoisie was ‘fundamentally racist’ and its ‘bourgeois ideology’ of equality and dignity was merely a cover for capitalist-imperialist rapacity.”
Fanon wrote that “decolonization is always a violent phenomenon,” and in a preface to the book, the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre declared that the wretched of the earth “become men” through “mad fury.”
By this standard, Hamas is a good and worthy anti-colonial organization, and there’s no wonder it has found supporters and useful idiots among the West’s self-loathing radicals.
This is an almost laughably simplistic screed about a constituency that resists nuance and balance, which is acquired, history and our own lives tell us, over the course of time and experience. College campuses aren't -- when we are talking generally about the student population -- about deep thoughts; we are talking about drama, fitting in, learning and experimenting, etc. But suggesting that a bunch of fracas on campus translates directly into, or is the result of, "the radical anti-Western vision" is just stupid. But you seem to like adults who traffic in this sort of black and white "journalism" and opinion.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:47 amhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... -the-west/
Anti-Israel Demonstrators Hate the West
By RICH LOWRY, October 27, 2023
The cataract of anti-Israel sentiment on college campuses has been shocking, but it shouldn’t be surprising.
It is the poisoned fruit of teaching a generation of college students to despise their own civilization.
Jesse Jackson famously led a chant at Stanford University in 1987, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” He was talking about the college course, but he might as well have been talking about the thing itself.
Jackson and his allies had extraordinary success in extinguishing the teaching of Western Civ. Not only have we largely stopped transmitting the story of our own civilization, we have substituted an alternative narrative that the West is reducible to racism, imperialism, and colonialism.
It is in this context that the current outburst of anti-Zionism has to be understood. Yes, it has been fed by anti-Israel agitation on campus over the decades, and yes, students are susceptible to witless radicalism in the best of circumstances. Yet the loathing of Israel is particularly intense because it is viewed as an outpost of Western civilization and all its alleged ills.
The hatred of Israel is tainted by, and in some cases driven by, antisemitism. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much about hatred of “the other,” as progressives put it, as hatred of ourselves and all our works.
It is, on one level, incorrect to consider Israel exclusively an artifact of the West. The Jews are indigenous to the region going back to Abraham, with their story caught up in the story of the land. A large proportion of the current population traces its origins from the Middle East and North Africa rather than Europe.
But there is no doubt that Israel is a Western society — in its political system, in its respect for rights, in its innovative economy, in its mores. Someone sitting in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv could easily think they were in any thriving coastal society in the West.
From any rational perspective, this would be something to celebrate. Many legitimate criticisms can be made of Israel, and indeed are a feature of the Israeli domestic debate itself, but there’s no doubt that it is a flourishing society.
If Gaza were equally Westernized, it would be worrying about whether it’s overbuilding seaside real estate rather than having to get water and electricity from the neighboring country its governing authority — a savage terror group — is trying to destroy.
Yet this is the society that anti-Western opinion holds up and wants to sweep all before it. This point of view loves Gaza for its failure and hates Israel for its success; loves Gaza for its terror and hates Israel for its self-defense; loves Gaza for its vicious anti-Western sponsors and hates Israel for its Western allies, especially the United States.
If this seems perverse, it’s what you’d expect of students and young people who have absorbed the premises of Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and their imitators. Even if students have never heard of them, these men and their thought suffuse higher education.
But what about the violence? How can these kids look past it, or implicitly endorse it?
Violence is part of the radical anti-Western vision. The anti-colonial bible, The Wretched of the Earth, written by Frantz Fanon in 1961, is widely taught on campus. Fanon sketched out a woke worldview before anyone used that term, arguing that, as a New Yorker essay put it, “the Western bourgeoisie was ‘fundamentally racist’ and its ‘bourgeois ideology’ of equality and dignity was merely a cover for capitalist-imperialist rapacity.”
Fanon wrote that “decolonization is always a violent phenomenon,” and in a preface to the book, the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre declared that the wretched of the earth “become men” through “mad fury.”
By this standard, Hamas is a good and worthy anti-colonial organization, and there’s no wonder it has found supporters and useful idiots among the West’s self-loathing radicals.
Were any of this opiners ( and I include Bill Maher in this group) on a college campus in the 1960s-early 70s? There was much more violence and rhetoric. 4 students were essentially murdered on a college campus at Kent State by National Guardsmen in 1970.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:52 amThis is an almost laughably simplistic screed about a constituency that resists nuance and balance, which is acquired, history and our own lives tell us, over the course of time and experience. College campuses aren't -- when we are talking generally about the student population -- about deep thoughts; we are talking about drama, fitting in, learning and experimenting, etc. But suggesting that a bunch of fracas on campus translates directly into, or is the result of, "the radical anti-Western vision" is just stupid. But you seem to like adults who traffic in this sort of black and white "journalism" and opinion.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:47 amhttps://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... -the-west/
Anti-Israel Demonstrators Hate the West
By RICH LOWRY, October 27, 2023
The cataract of anti-Israel sentiment on college campuses has been shocking, but it shouldn’t be surprising.
It is the poisoned fruit of teaching a generation of college students to despise their own civilization.
Jesse Jackson famously led a chant at Stanford University in 1987, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.” He was talking about the college course, but he might as well have been talking about the thing itself.
Jackson and his allies had extraordinary success in extinguishing the teaching of Western Civ. Not only have we largely stopped transmitting the story of our own civilization, we have substituted an alternative narrative that the West is reducible to racism, imperialism, and colonialism.
It is in this context that the current outburst of anti-Zionism has to be understood. Yes, it has been fed by anti-Israel agitation on campus over the decades, and yes, students are susceptible to witless radicalism in the best of circumstances. Yet the loathing of Israel is particularly intense because it is viewed as an outpost of Western civilization and all its alleged ills.
The hatred of Israel is tainted by, and in some cases driven by, antisemitism. Another way to look at it, though, is that it’s not so much about hatred of “the other,” as progressives put it, as hatred of ourselves and all our works.
It is, on one level, incorrect to consider Israel exclusively an artifact of the West. The Jews are indigenous to the region going back to Abraham, with their story caught up in the story of the land. A large proportion of the current population traces its origins from the Middle East and North Africa rather than Europe.
But there is no doubt that Israel is a Western society — in its political system, in its respect for rights, in its innovative economy, in its mores. Someone sitting in a coffee shop in Tel Aviv could easily think they were in any thriving coastal society in the West.
From any rational perspective, this would be something to celebrate. Many legitimate criticisms can be made of Israel, and indeed are a feature of the Israeli domestic debate itself, but there’s no doubt that it is a flourishing society.
If Gaza were equally Westernized, it would be worrying about whether it’s overbuilding seaside real estate rather than having to get water and electricity from the neighboring country its governing authority — a savage terror group — is trying to destroy.
Yet this is the society that anti-Western opinion holds up and wants to sweep all before it. This point of view loves Gaza for its failure and hates Israel for its success; loves Gaza for its terror and hates Israel for its self-defense; loves Gaza for its vicious anti-Western sponsors and hates Israel for its Western allies, especially the United States.
If this seems perverse, it’s what you’d expect of students and young people who have absorbed the premises of Michel Foucault, Howard Zinn, Edward Said, and their imitators. Even if students have never heard of them, these men and their thought suffuse higher education.
But what about the violence? How can these kids look past it, or implicitly endorse it?
Violence is part of the radical anti-Western vision. The anti-colonial bible, The Wretched of the Earth, written by Frantz Fanon in 1961, is widely taught on campus. Fanon sketched out a woke worldview before anyone used that term, arguing that, as a New Yorker essay put it, “the Western bourgeoisie was ‘fundamentally racist’ and its ‘bourgeois ideology’ of equality and dignity was merely a cover for capitalist-imperialist rapacity.”
Fanon wrote that “decolonization is always a violent phenomenon,” and in a preface to the book, the French philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre declared that the wretched of the earth “become men” through “mad fury.”
By this standard, Hamas is a good and worthy anti-colonial organization, and there’s no wonder it has found supporters and useful idiots among the West’s self-loathing radicals.
None of us should shed a tear for a dead Hamas fighter or leader. We can rejoice it. But the situation on the ground -- murdered Israeli citizens, and displaced and dead Gazan Palestinians, with likely more of both to come -- is itself the result of decades and decades of stupidity and venality. It's complicated. So it is little wonder that college students are not yet well equipped to process it, digest, assimilate and synthesize all of the varied threads that go into and resulted in today. Indicting whole institutions because of these young people's reactions is just f*cking stupid.
Why not write about something obvious but important. If there was a military solution to this, we would have had this solved long ago. Through little fault of their own, Palestinians are stuck living among a leadership that knows nothing other than war, nothing other than the credo of death. Israelis have the right to peace, prosperity and safety. The answer is building rather than blasting. Israel will not be able to neutralize the threat, within the confines of military doctrine. They can reduce supplies; eliminate, for now, weapons supplies and ordnance; temporarily decapitate the leadership; but Hamas will always come back. Its Arab paymasters will help it reconstitute. So the aim has to be to free Palestinians from the disaster of living side by side with their own cruel and soulless leadership.
Why not write about something like that from the pulpit of a formerly well-regarded conservative media outlet? Nope: it's easier and more "popular" to make "traitors" of kids, and traitor-manufacturers out of the colleges and universities where they stop for four years in the course of a long lifetime. You read and post this sh*t because it feeds your narrative, not because it has any deep meaning.
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:05 am
No more Jews in East New York, Brooklyn as well. Why? Because they chose to move to Canarsie, to Florida, and yes, even to Israel. Just like the folks you are mentioning. Moving is their choice. Anything wrong with that?
Huh?Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:05 am
No more Jews in East New York, Brooklyn as well. Why? Because they chose to move to Canarsie, to Florida, and yes, even to Israel. Just like the folks you are mentioning. Moving is their choice. Anything wrong with that?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:49 amHuh?Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:05 am
No more Jews in East New York, Brooklyn as well. Why? Because they chose to move to Canarsie, to Florida, and yes, even to Israel. Just like the folks you are mentioning. Moving is their choice. Anything wrong with that?
No more Jews in Brooklyn???
More than 500,000...1 in 4 residents in Brooklyn are Jewish.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_N ... s%20Jewish.
https://www.hadassahmagazine.org/2018/0 ... pot-earth/
Enjoying Brookie's game?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:49 amHuh?Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:05 am
No more Jews in East New York, Brooklyn as well. Why? Because they chose to move to Canarsie, to Florida, and yes, even to Israel. Just like the folks you are mentioning. Moving is their choice. Anything wrong with that?
No more Jews in Brooklyn???
More than 500,000...1 in 4 residents in Brooklyn are Jewish.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_N ... s%20Jewish.
https://www.hadassahmagazine.org/2018/0 ... pot-earth/
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:03 pm
He wants Jewish people out. That's it. He's running his "ideas" from the BAMN coloring book, where they use toddler logic to try and avoid telling the world that their "solution" is to get the Jewish people out of Israel.
And now after pretending to be the Forum's Middle East expert, he's now playing dumb, pretending that "gee whiz fellas, it must be a "coincidence" that Jewish people don't live in Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria. Not-a-one.
It's gaslighting. And when you finally get them to admit they want the Jewish people out of Israel? They get bored with you because they're baffled that their childish game of "don't tell them what you REALLY want" is over....and change the subject, and move on.
Dealt with dozens of people who played this game in Ann Arbor. The all use the same idioms and phrases.
You want to go back in time? Great. Give the Middle East back to the Italians, who owned it all. This was BEFORE Muslims showed up, Brookie.Happy to address it.
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:12 pm Already addressed the matter of Lakotas as well:
viewtopic.php?p=498571#p498571
That doesn't address doodly.Name calling won't work, Brookie, sorry. We're discussing why YOU refuse to give back the land you took from the Sioux.
What do I say to that?
I say this: When are you gonna give back your stolen land, Brookie??
