2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[6ftstick]

Oh wait......

Job Creators Network President and CEO Alfredo Ortiz says Hispanics' job opportunites have benefited greatly from President Donald Trump's pro-business policies:

"One of the biggest beneficiaries of the Trump economy has been Hispanics, whose entrepreneurial talents have been harnessed in this climate of deregulation and tax cuts. While Democrats play class warfare and identity politics, President Trump's policies are creating a booming economy that is lifting all boats."

The unemployment rate for women in the U.S. workforce fell to 3.4 percent in April, the lowest rate since September 1953.

The unemployment for women fell below 4 percent in March 2018 for the first time since the dot com boom in 2000. It has remained below 4 percent in 12 out of the last 13 months.

Unemployment for workers without bachelor's degrees fell to the lowest rate in 19 years in April, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday, a sign the recovery is benefiting the people most in need of help as it stretches toward a 10th year.

Unemployment for workers without four-year or graduate degrees fell to just 3.5% in April, the lowest such mark since the 3.4% rate in April 2000, which was the lowest recorded, with data going back to 1992.

That statistic, which is adjusted for seasonal variations, represents workers above the age of 25 without associate's degrees or who didn't finish college, people with only high school degrees, and high school dropouts. Those groups generally have much higher unemployment rates.


Really we have to STOP ALL THIS ——THAT TRUMP IS SO EVIL

What did Trump do to give you this?

That's right. Keep spending. Keep borrowing. Keep making government bigger.

Yep, you're right. Business owners like me love this. Until the music stops, and we have to pay the bills. Good luck with your Medicare, is all I have to say about that.

Your kidding of course. He couldn't have anything to do with it Obamacoulda done the same right.

Deregulation. Tax breaks. Government endorsement of entrepreneurship. A positive lean toward capitalism.

Keep bitchin though.

[a fan]

Deregulation.

Great. Name ten regulations removed that led to a GDP bump.

Take your time. Sawbuck says you can't name one. But you think he's made massive changes.

Tax breaks.

Yep. He cut my taxes, and made you pay for them. If you think that's a swell idea, yeah, ok. Point for Trump. You want to keep paying my bills, that's fine by me. Go Trump!

Government endorsement of entrepreneurship. A positive lean toward capitalism.

Neither of these ridiculous things are real, and neither affects my bottom line.

Keep making stuff up, though.

Odd, you left out $2.7 Trillion in new spending. $2 Trillion of which were for social programs. Admit it: you just don't care. So long as you think your bottom line is better, you'll cheer on every social program in the book.

Do I need to remind you that Pelosi and the Dems signed on to these spending bills? But you don't care. Whatever.

[runrussellrun]

Thinking of starting an "infrastructure" company. Trillions you say, eh? Or does Bechtel just get to be the GM and hire the usual mobsters? Darn saying, can't "legally" buy Bechtels stock though.......but, anyway, is it a good idea to start a bridge construction company? Since trillions will be welfared out.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/arti ... 816193.php Talk about "Russian Collusion" Do any of you loudmouth FLP weeds have any comment on this. This is the guy many of you want to be POTUS. That man is F***ED up in the head and you folks are fine with this embarrassing POS being POTUS. This is where... right on cue... the jackwagons on this forum come in to defend brain damaged Burnie. I can see the Burn at the podium for the State of the Union address. Naked except for his Speedo with a bunch of Silver Tree Vodka bottles in front of him. Maybe eve a half toasted blunt. Then he can express his vision for all of America... a Fan will be fine with the public exposure from the vodka bottles. Did I mention Russian collusion? The blunt may have even been provided by Dmac.

[a fan]

Thinking of starting an "infrastructure" company. Trillions you say, eh? Or does Bechtel just get to be the GM and hire the usual mobsters? Darn saying, can't "legally" buy Bechtels stock though.......but, anyway, is it a good idea to start a bridge construction company? Since trillions will be welfared out.

Do you have your State Senator on speed-dial? Hang out at all the D or R fundraisers? Then yes.

If not? No.

[holmes435]

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/arti ... 816193.php Talk about "Russian Collusion" Do any of you loudmouth FLP weeds have any comment on this. This is the guy many of you want to be POTUS. That man is F***ED up in the head and you folks are fine with this embarrassing POS being POTUS. This is where... right on cue... the jackwagons on this forum come in to defend brain damaged Burnie. I can see the Burn at the podium for the State of the Union address. Naked except for his Speedo with a bunch of Silver Tree Vodka bottles in front of him. Maybe eve a half toasted blunt. Then he can express his vision for all of America... a Fan will be fine with the public exposure from the vodka bottles. Did I mention Russian collusion? The blunt may have even been provided by Dmac.

You're the pot calling the kettle black when the kettle is a light gray and the kettle is one of two dozen candidates vs. a sitting president. I'm not going to defend Bernie, because he has his issues, but if you're going to come out here and rail about him visiting Russia in 1988 when he said we should incorporate things they were doing well, then where is the same outrage over Trump? Trump was in Russia 2 years before he announced his candidacy and was discussing a real estate deal long into his candidacy.

Trump continues to heap praise on Putin and Russia. He was literally on the phone in the past day talking about the Mueller Report with Putin and he said he didn't discuss any potential meddling in the 2020 elections, which was a huge portion of the Mueller Report.

Your "outrage" is worthy of discussion, but you have to apply your standards to both candidates if you want to be taken seriously. The proof on Sanders is a drop in the bucket compared to what we know about Trump's dealings. You've spent more words criticizing Sanders in one single post than you have on Trump in at least the past year for doing the same thing times ten.

[youthathletics]

Thinking of starting an "infrastructure" company. Trillions you say, eh? Or does Bechtel just get to be the GM and hire the usual mobsters? Darn saying, can't "legally" buy Bechtels stock though.......but, anyway, is it a good idea to start a bridge construction company? Since trillions will be welfared out.

Do you have your State Senator on speed-dial? Hang out at all the D or R fundraisers? Then yes.

If not? No.

I do know some close friends that work for them, rub shoulders with the Father and now CEO younger son. They sure have it made riding the gravy train.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/arti ... 816193.php Talk about "Russian Collusion" Do any of you loudmouth FLP weeds have any comment on this. This is the guy many of you want to be POTUS. That man is F***ED up in the head and you folks are fine with this embarrassing POS being POTUS. This is where... right on cue... the jackwagons on this forum come in to defend brain damaged Burnie. I can see the Burn at the podium for the State of the Union address. Naked except for his Speedo with a bunch of Silver Tree Vodka bottles in front of him. Maybe eve a half toasted blunt. Then he can express his vision for all of America... a Fan will be fine with the public exposure from the vodka bottles. Did I mention Russian collusion? The blunt may have even been provided by Dmac.

You're the pot calling the kettle black when the kettle is a light gray and the kettle is one of two dozen candidates vs. a sitting president. I'm not going to defend Bernie, because he has his issues, but if you're going to come out here and rail about him visiting Russia in 1988 when he said we should incorporate things they were doing well, then where is the same outrage over Trump? Trump was in Russia 2 years before he announced his candidacy and was discussing a real estate deal long into his candidacy.

Trump continues to heap praise on Putin and Russia. He was literally on the phone in the past day talking about the Mueller Report with Putin and he said he didn't discuss any potential meddling in the 2020 elections, which was a huge portion of the Mueller Report.

Your "outrage" is worthy of discussion, but you have to apply your standards to both candidates if you want to be taken seriously. The proof on Sanders is a drop in the bucket compared to what we know about Trump's dealings. You've spent more words criticizing Sanders in one single post than you have on Trump in at least the past year for doing the same thing times ten.

I was busting Burnies balls and poking fun at all of you folks here who suddenly are outraged at what bad people the Russian leaders can be. To my knowledge there are no pictures of Trump, half naked surrounded by bottles of hootch and cavorting with the Rooskie leaders praising them for the good things they do for the world. Apparently your spring is wound up too tight to understand where the irony lies. When it comes to dealing with the Rooskies… what was that Don Corleone told his son Michael... keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I did not understand that to mean sauna baths, half naked interviews and swilling down vodka. What the heck... everyone has their own way of doing things.

[6ftstick]

Deregulation.

Great. Name ten regulations removed that led to a GDP bump.

Take your time. Sawbuck says you can't name one. But you think he's made massive changes.

Tax breaks.

Yep. He cut my taxes, and made you pay for them. If you think that's a swell idea, yeah, ok. Point for Trump. You want to keep paying my bills, that's fine by me. Go Trump!

Government endorsement of entrepreneurship. A positive lean toward capitalism.

Neither of these ridiculous things are real, and neither affects my bottom line.

Keep making stuff up, though.

Odd, you left out $2.7 Trillion in new spending. $2 Trillion of which were for social programs. Admit it: you just don't care. So long as you think your bottom line is better, you'll cheer on every social program in the book.

Do I need to remind you that Pelosi and the Dems signed on to these spending bills? But you don't care. Whatever.

Your hero Barry spent 32 trillion budgeted over 8 years plus 12 Trillion in debt plus 4 Trillion in FED balance sheet addition-Quantitative Easing—plus 900 Billion stimulus package.

His economy better or worse than Trumps? Anytime during those 8 years? Come on lets hear it.

[a fan]

Your hero Barry spent 32 trillion budgeted over 8 years plus 12 Trillion in debt plus 4 Trillion in FED balance sheet addition-Quantitative Easing—plus 900 Billion stimulus package.

Not my hero, but then you know that.

His economy better or worse than Trumps?

If you ignore that this is all on borrowed money, and Trump has made government bigger than it has ever been, you bet this is a better economy!

Of course it is....so long as you're me, and not some poor sap in flyover American with a GED. Take a look at the workforce participation rate. Hundreds of thousands have simply stopped looking for work, because the economic growth isn't hitting America evenly. Remember Trump's forgotten voters? Yeah, well they're still forgotten, and their numbers are growing.

Google "Farmer. Suicide. 2019", and start reading. Trump isn't helping these people, and economy is overwhelmingly helping guys like me....guys who don't need the help.

I'm a factory owner. Do you think I'm doing better because of the tax cuts? Yep. No question. I have said this several times before, but you ignore it because you're so busy trying to put Trump on a pedestal: Trump and the R's are doing everything in their power to stuff money into my pockets. I'm the 1%. I own land, buildings, equipment, and a profitable business. So yes, that's where he's stuffing the money. Problem is, I don't need this help. I'm doing fine.

And the other problem you're SUPPOSED to have with this, is that Trump is stuffing money into my pockets by using three tools:

1. He's cutting my taxes. This means that you, 6ftstick, are going to wind up picking up my tab, especially so because of SALT on the East Coast. If you're ok with that, hey, who am I to argue? But it's a foolish policy.

2. He's borrowing all this money. Again, bringing up Obama is an infantile response to this. You HATE Obama for borrowing money, remember? So you can't point that now, and say it's ok. You're either against this massive deficit spending, or you're not. For you, you only like it when Republicans do it. Even when I can show you that out of $2.7 Trillion in new spending, $2 Trillion went to social programs. Socialism. Again, you're supposed to be against that, remember?

3. The Federal government is now bigger than ever. That government spending gets spread out across America, but it's being concentrated in places that can build and service stuff. So the DC area is booming, as the grift and BS no-bid contracts are everywhere. You and your Fox buddies are REALLY supposed to be against bigger government So tell me: what happened? How is it Ok now that Trumpy is in charge?


And I asked you about removing regulations. Trump has done no such thing, unless you want to count EPA rules that keep our grandkids from getting cancer at age 2. Not one person has been able to list a Federal regulation that has been removed at any time over the last 20 years that has material affected their line of work. Now how is that possible if Republicans are always bragging about getting rid of regulations?

None of us can name a rule that was dropped? Really? All the different lines of work, and no one can name one?

[Typical Lax Dad]

According to a survey of 457 Ohio manufacturers conducted in January by the state's Manufacturing Extension Partnership, 14 companies were severely harmed by the tariffs for every one that strongly benefited, and 4 companies were moderately harmed for every one that moderately benefited.

In a separate recent survey of 381 manufacturers just in Northeast Ohio by the non-profit Manufacturing Advocacy and Growth Network, 66% of respondents said they had been harmed by tariffs. Out of all government regulations, trade policy was cited as the most concerning.
And on a macro level, according to a study released last weekend by economists affiliated with the London-based Centre for Economic and Policy Research, the tariffs resulted in a $6.9 billion loss in real income for US consumers in the first 11 months of 2018. The study also found a "dramatic" adjustment in supply chains, impacting $165 billion in trade flows that were lost or redirected because of the tariffs.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Deregulation.

Great. Name ten regulations removed that led to a GDP bump.

Take your time. Sawbuck says you can't name one. But you think he's made massive changes.

Tax breaks.

Yep. He cut my taxes, and made you pay for them. If you think that's a swell idea, yeah, ok. Point for Trump. You want to keep paying my bills, that's fine by me. Go Trump!

Government endorsement of entrepreneurship. A positive lean toward capitalism.

Neither of these ridiculous things are real, and neither affects my bottom line.

Keep making stuff up, though.

Odd, you left out $2.7 Trillion in new spending. $2 Trillion of which were for social programs. Admit it: you just don't care. So long as you think your bottom line is better, you'll cheer on every social program in the book.

Do I need to remind you that Pelosi and the Dems signed on to these spending bills? But you don't care. Whatever.

Your hero Barry spent 32 trillion budgeted over 8 years plus 12 Trillion in debt plus 4 Trillion in FED balance sheet addition-Quantitative Easing—plus 900 Billion stimulus package.

His economy better or worse than Trumps? Anytime during those 8 years? Come on lets hear it.

The US economy is growing steadily under Trump, just like it did in the last two years of Obama’s presidency. That may change in 2019.

[cradleandshoot]

Your hero Barry spent 32 trillion budgeted over 8 years plus 12 Trillion in debt plus 4 Trillion in FED balance sheet addition-Quantitative Easing—plus 900 Billion stimulus package.

Not my hero, but then you know that.

His economy better or worse than Trumps?

If you ignore that this is all on borrowed money, and Trump has made government bigger than it has ever been, you bet this is a better economy!

Of course it is....so long as you're me, and not some poor sap in flyover American with a GED. Take a look at the workforce participation rate. Hundreds of thousands have simply stopped looking for work, because the economic growth isn't hitting America evenly. Remember Trump's forgotten voters? Yeah, well they're still forgotten, and their numbers are growing.

Google "Farmer. Suicide. 2019", and start reading. Trump isn't helping these people, and economy is overwhelmingly helping guys like me....guys who don't need the help.

I'm a factory owner. Do you think I'm doing better because of the tax cuts? Yep. No question. I have said this several times before, but you ignore it because you're so busy trying to put Trump on a pedestal: Trump and the R's are doing everything in their power to stuff money into my pockets. I'm the 1%. I own land, buildings, equipment, and a profitable business. So yes, that's where he's stuffing the money. Problem is, I don't need this help. I'm doing fine.

And the other problem you're SUPPOSED to have with this, is that Trump is stuffing money into my pockets by using three tools:

1. He's cutting my taxes. This means that you, 6ftstick, are going to wind up picking up my tab, especially so because of SALT on the East Coast. If you're ok with that, hey, who am I to argue? But it's a foolish policy.

2. He's borrowing all this money. Again, bringing up Obama is an infantile response to this. You HATE Obama for borrowing money, remember? So you can't point that now, and say it's ok. You're either against this massive deficit spending, or you're not. For you, you only like it when Republicans do it. Even when I can show you that out of $2.7 Trillion in new spending, $2 Trillion went to social programs. Socialism. Again, you're supposed to be against that, remember?

3. The Federal government is now bigger than ever. That government spending gets spread out across America, but it's being concentrated in places that can build and service stuff. So the DC area is booming, as the grift and BS no-bid contracts are everywhere. You and your Fox buddies are REALLY supposed to be against bigger government So tell me: what happened? How is it Ok now that Trumpy is in charge?


And I asked you about removing regulations. Trump has done no such thing, unless you want to count EPA rules that keep our grandkids from getting cancer at age 2. Not one person has been able to list a Federal regulation that has been removed at any time over the last 20 years that has material affected their line of work. Now how is that possible if Republicans are always bragging about getting rid of regulations?

None of us can name a rule that was dropped? Really? All the different lines of work, and no one can name one?

"None of us can name a rule that was dropped? Really? All the different lines of work, and no one can name one?"

You don't pay very close attention to the new age refrigerant R290. The very latest in the refrigerant game is a hydro carbon based refrigerant that does not have to be reclaimed in any shape or form. The "RULE" of having to reclaim refrigerants does not apply to R290. A standard R290 refrigeration system only uses 1.7 ounces of refrigerant. You can cut and vent an R290 system with no danger to the planet. If you don't think a Fan that this little known and unpublicized rule change is not a big deaL from where I stand in my line of work it is a very big deal. We are still trying to recover from the debacle of R744 CO2 refrigerants. I probably chitcan at least one ore more R744 coolers every day when I am at work. Trump had nothing to do with this. Common sense finally prevailed in an era of failed and pathetic refrigerants engineered not to perform but to be environmentally friendly.

http://www.linde-gas.com/en/products_an ... index.html

https://emersonclimateconversations.com ... s-of-r744/

[MDlaxfan76]

Your hero Barry spent 32 trillion budgeted over 8 years plus 12 Trillion in debt plus 4 Trillion in FED balance sheet addition-Quantitative Easing—plus 900 Billion stimulus package.

Not my hero, but then you know that.

His economy better or worse than Trumps?

If you ignore that this is all on borrowed money, and Trump has made government bigger than it has ever been, you bet this is a better economy!

Of course it is....so long as you're me, and not some poor sap in flyover American with a GED. Take a look at the workforce participation rate. Hundreds of thousands have simply stopped looking for work, because the economic growth isn't hitting America evenly. Remember Trump's forgotten voters? Yeah, well they're still forgotten, and their numbers are growing.

Google "Farmer. Suicide. 2019", and start reading. Trump isn't helping these people, and economy is overwhelmingly helping guys like me....guys who don't need the help.

I'm a factory owner. Do you think I'm doing better because of the tax cuts? Yep. No question. I have said this several times before, but you ignore it because you're so busy trying to put Trump on a pedestal: Trump and the R's are doing everything in their power to stuff money into my pockets. I'm the 1%. I own land, buildings, equipment, and a profitable business. So yes, that's where he's stuffing the money. Problem is, I don't need this help. I'm doing fine.

And the other problem you're SUPPOSED to have with this, is that Trump is stuffing money into my pockets by using three tools:

1. He's cutting my taxes. This means that you, 6ftstick, are going to wind up picking up my tab, especially so because of SALT on the East Coast. If you're ok with that, hey, who am I to argue? But it's a foolish policy.

2. He's borrowing all this money. Again, bringing up Obama is an infantile response to this. You HATE Obama for borrowing money, remember? So you can't point that now, and say it's ok. You're either against this massive deficit spending, or you're not. For you, you only like it when Republicans do it. Even when I can show you that out of $2.7 Trillion in new spending, $2 Trillion went to social programs. Socialism. Again, you're supposed to be against that, remember?

3. The Federal government is now bigger than ever. That government spending gets spread out across America, but it's being concentrated in places that can build and service stuff. So the DC area is booming, as the grift and BS no-bid contracts are everywhere. You and your Fox buddies are REALLY supposed to be against bigger government So tell me: what happened? How is it Ok now that Trumpy is in charge?


And I asked you about removing regulations. Trump has done no such thing, unless you want to count EPA rules that keep our grandkids from getting cancer at age 2. Not one person has been able to list a Federal regulation that has been removed at any time over the last 20 years that has material affected their line of work. Now how is that possible if Republicans are always bragging about getting rid of regulations?

None of us can name a rule that was dropped? Really? All the different lines of work, and no one can name one?

"None of us can name a rule that was dropped? Really? All the different lines of work, and no one can name one?"

You don't pay very close attention to the new age refrigerant R290. The very latest in the refrigerant game is a hydro carbon based refrigerant that does not have to be reclaimed in any shape or form. The "RULE" of having to reclaim refrigerants does not apply to R290. A standard R290 refrigeration system only uses 1.7 ounces of refrigerant. You can cut and vent an R290 system with no danger to the planet. If you don't think a Fan that this little known and unpublicized rule change is not a big deaL from where I stand in my line of work it is a very big deal. We are still trying to recover from the debacle of R744 CO2 refrigerants. I probably chitcan at least one ore more R744 coolers every day when I am at work. Trump had nothing to do with this. Common sense finally prevailed in an era of failed and pathetic refrigerants engineered not to perform but to be environmentally friendly.

http://www.linde-gas.com/en/products_an ... index.html

https://emersonclimateconversations.com ... s-of-r744/

Ok, so Trump had nothing to do with it.

We'll take your word for it that some intelligent "common sense" was applied. Clearly not our field.

A little googling reveals that R290 is being pushed worldwide by the global warming community as an eco-friendly alternative, not 100% no impact, but a big improvement over prior refrigerants. Sounds to me like the technologists/industry worked to find a lower cost, higher performance answer due to the cost of the regulations requiring reclamation...is that correct?

[youthathletics]

Try convincing the everyday common voter who does not pay close attention to politics, that these current times are not good, if not borderline great. They are clueless they were trending this way pre-2016.

Trumps stats for employment, as a total, are not arguable when it comes time for fact checking in the debates, when people begin paying more attention.

They will also likely hear the Mueller investigation yielded no punishable or even extended issue for Team Trump. In fact there may be questions that arise about the Democrats trying to spy on an elected president.

The tax cuts coupled with the booming current economy, provided the majority of Americans more disposable income. We have seen an increase in Tex revenue, if spending slows down by the feds in 2019, a mathematical case can be made showing his plan will work. Just like many families understand when financing a home.....it takes time but it is an investment.

Is the lefts message going to be “We are going to take all this away, raise taxes, but you will have free college and free healthcare?” I doubt the majority of Americans want to risk or even believe a politician will do such a thing.

Just watched Bill Maher today.....even he said “He is sick of Trump Winning”

It will surely be interesting these next 16-20 months.

[a fan]

Try convincing the everyday common voter who does not pay close attention to politics, that these current times are not good, if not borderline great. They are clueless they were trending this way pre-2016.

In cities, yes. In rural America? Not so much.

But it doesn't matter. It's a 100% mistake to think a Trump voter cares about the economy or their own personal fortune.

The tax cuts coupled with the booming current economy, provided the majority of Americans more disposable income. We have seen an increase in Tex revenue,

Yep. They gave more people money. A loan will do that for you. We'll talk again when the payments arrive.

Tax revenue goes up every year we have positive GDP. Has nothing to do with tax cuts. We've been over this before. You aren't interested in the simple math that when we borrow $2.7 Trillion and spend it-----yep, both GDP and tax revenues go up. But the deficit goes up faster. Every. Time.

I told you what would happen. And it happened. It's not like I'm smart. I'm not. I can add and subtract, and that's all you need to know what will happen when you cut taxes.

if spending slows down by the feds in 2019, a mathematical case can be made showing his plan will work.

His plan DID work. The economy is doing great, and voter don't care about the deficit or the fact that government is bigger than ever and is what is driving the economy because of the R by his name. Brilliant, really.

Is the lefts message going to be “We are going to take all this away, raise taxes, but you will have free college and free healthcare?” I doubt the majority of Americans want to risk or even believe a politician will do such a thing. .

If I'm running for the left? I'd sit back and enjoy 4 more years of lefty Trump and his deficit spending. And simply get in line when he breaks out Uncle Sam's credit card.

And laugh and laugh as socialism grows, and Conservative America has no idea it's happening.

If you're a lefty, would you rather have Trump and his reckless spending? Or Pence or some other rightie?

Easy choice. Vote Trump and enjoy more government services, a far larger Federal government, and enjoy the free money and handouts that supposedly Conservative America thinks we don't have to pay back.

[MDlaxfan76]

Try convincing the everyday common voter who does not pay close attention to politics, that these current times are not good, if not borderline great. They are clueless they were trending this way pre-2016.

Trumps stats for employment, as a total, are not arguable when it comes time for fact checking in the debates, when people begin paying more attention.

They will also likely hear the Mueller investigation yielded no punishable or even extended issue for Team Trump. In fact there may be questions that arise about the Democrats trying to spy on an elected president.

The tax cuts coupled with the booming current economy, provided the majority of Americans more disposable income. We have seen an increase in Tex revenue, if spending slows down by the feds in 2019, a mathematical case can be made showing his plan will work. Just like many families understand when financing a home.....it takes time but it is an investment.

Is the lefts message going to be “We are going to take all this away, raise taxes, but you will have free college and free healthcare?” I doubt the majority of Americans want to risk or even believe a politician will do such a thing.

Just watched Bill Maher today.....even he said “He is sick of Trump Winning”

It will surely be interesting these next 16-20 months.

It's a long way to November 2020.
I think you're correct that non-discerning voters (and that's a big % of all voters) see the current economy as strong and give credit to the current occupant. If it's a sugar high and we come off it, or some other trauma hits, Trump's one positive message could go up in smoke. But it may well ride through Nov 2020.

The idea that "spending slows down by the feds in 2019", or that tax revenue will cover spending, is an enormous pipe dream. The Trump Administration shows no real interest in reducing the drivers of growing spending. And growth is not going to be 4%. Deficits are going up rapidly.

On the Mueller report, I think we're pretty locked in at a significant majority believing Trump is dishonest and played footsie with Putin, indeed still playing footsie. A minority believe it was a "Hoax" because that's their 'team'' and it's what they're told. But that's pretty locked in, though we're going to see more reasons to believe that he's quite the liar and the sycophants enabling him are up to their elbows in the manure with him.

I also think that we may see much more evidence of Trump corruption out of SDNY before this is all done.

So, it's going to come down to whether we're ok with a constant liar, an authoritarian who flouts the rule of law and the balance of powers... or not.

God help us if we say it's ok.

But, yeah, the Dems could tack so hard left that it makes a bunch of folks who would otherwise vote for 'anyone but Trump' to stay home. And that could make it a close call.

[youthathletics]

Afan - Your last comment paragraph is intriguing. Maybe the left will be happy to have a mediocre candidate and Trump to win again....if he is indeed pushing and peddling their ideas and plans for them.

I suppose your 10k foot view is that when Trump says we will never be a socialists country, he is really saying look over here while I get us there.

[a fan]

Afan - Your last comment paragraph is intriguing. Maybe the left will be happy to have a mediocre candidate and Trump to win again....if he is indeed pushing and peddling their ideas and plans for them.

Take a good look at the three spending bills and what's in them. Why do you think Pelosi and Co. signed them with no protest?

That would 100% be my strategy: concede the election, and work with Trump----you think Trump cares about deficits? It ain't his money that's getting spent. He'll cut taxes again if you'll let him. So I'm Pelosi, I'm adding all kinds of social programs that I know doggone well Trump will pay for if you shove it on his desk.


My favorite part of this whole thing is that FoxNation has convinced themselves that Trump is outfoxxing Libs. Nope. He's outfoxxing his base.

More government
More spending on social programs
More deficits
Protectionist tariffs
Leading from behind
Pulling away from being cop in the world

All of things things are music to a libs ears.

I suppose your 10k foot view is that when Trump says we will never be a socialists country, he is really saying look over here while I get us there.

He lived through Reagan, and saw the inventor of modern Republicanism: so long as you say government is bad, you can make it as big as you want, and add as many social programs as you want.

All you need are some Dems in Congress you can point at and say "gee whiz, I slipped on a banana and spent $2 Trillion on social programs...but the Dems made me do it". This plan has worked for 50 years now. Why change up the play if you keep scoring?

Little R's and D's. When you strip that away, and look at where the rubber meets the road, it's amazing what you'll see.

My gripe with Trump are the irresponsible tax cuts coupled with out of control, wholly unfocused spending. Now that he's tempered tweeting to guys like Kim? I really don't care if he's around for four more years. Well, outside of embarrassing us on the world stage. But whatever. Can't win 'em all.

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The left wing has not wanted to pull out of NATO orctge EU. The left wing has wanted to maintain world leadership and work with allies and NGOs.

They recognize the value of the global rule set put together post WW ll that has kept a relative level of stability and avoided global conflagration. After two world wars from 1914 through 1945 there hasn’t been one since.

After Reagan’s tax cuts he raised taxes sobering like 6/7 tines recognizing the deficit problem that was created. GHWB did the same. So did Clinton.

It was the USA that created the global rule set as part of the process of rebuilding Germany and Japan over the objections of some of our allies eg UK etc.

Had the USA paid more attention to Keynes on recycling surpluses we would probably all have been better off.

But bad economic theories held sway and still mostly do.


Best decade for GDP was the 1950s. Second best was the 1990s. Worst decade was the 2000s.