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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 7:55 pm
What's the CIA doing "investigating Hillary"? Old Salt say that's bad, and a "weaponization of the CIA to go after Hillary"
The FBI reluctantly opened MYE based upon a referral by the IC IG.
The FBI eagerly opened CH based upon :
unconfirmed London wine bar gossip & confirmation bias of the Clinton campaign-Fusion GPS-Steele disinformation op/campaign dirty trick.
Gee, sounds serious. You should really look into this, OS.
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a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:03 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 7:55 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 7:29 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 6:59 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 12:55 pm It's trumpian thinking: accuse the "other side" of what you, yourself are doing. With no sense of irony. And it works on weak minds as well as strong minds with massive partisan blinders on.
Uh huh. Like the Clinton campaign originating the Trump-Russia collusion narrative,
...which CIA Director Brennan reported to Obama when it was starting.
:lol: That's an Old Salt no-no, remember?

What's the CIA doing "investigating Hillary"? Old Salt say that's bad, and a "weaponization of the CIA to go after Hillary"
The FBI reluctantly opened MYE based upon a referral by the IC IG.
The FBI eagerly opened CH based upon :
unconfirmed London wine bar gossip & confirmation bias of the Clinton campaign-Fusion GPS-Steele disinformation op/campaign dirty trick.
That's not the CIA. What's the CIA doing investigating Hillary, Old Salt? What's the probable cause? Did Hillary break a law?
How do you know they were investigating her. It was probably something our spies or signals intel in Russia picked up, or was passed to then by an allied intel service. ?

Nope. So tell me, why is ok for Brennan to investigate Hillary, when it's an "Old Salt no-no" to do that? He even sent out a memo on what he alleged. How is it Ok to do that? Was he investigating her or was it something that our IC passively became aware of ? Do you expect the DCIA to bury something like that when it comes to his desk ?

I'll wait.
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a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:04 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 7:59 pm What classified matl did Kushner mishandle or reveal ? What "need to know" access was he granted ?
:lol: :lol: :lol: A new low.

"Who cares"? Is your answer.

Neat. Go vote Republican. That fixes all the problems in your world.
Who cares ? Disgruntled leaking staffers (whose Director overruled them)...& partisans like you.
obtw -- Kushner was under surveillance during the campaign.
Any evidence, or even leaks alleging, that Kushner did anything improper with his security ciearance ?
More confirmation bias, which found nothing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Jared Kushner identified as senior White House official whose security clearance was denied by career officials
By Tom Hamburger, Rachael Bade and Ashley Parker
April 3, 2019 at 7:18 p.m. EDT

The senior White House official whose security clearance was denied last year because of concerns about foreign influence, private business interests and personal conduct is presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner, according to people familiar with documents and testimony provided to the House Oversight Committee.

Kushner was identified only as “Senior White House Official 1” in committee documents released this week describing the testimony of Tricia Newbold, a whistleblower in the White House’s personnel security office who said she and another career employee determined that Kushner had too many “significant disqualifying factors” to receive a clearance.

Their decision was overruled by Carl Kline, the career official who then headed the office, according to Newbold’s interview with committee staff.

The new details about the internal debate over Kushner’s clearance revives questions about the severity of the issues flagged in his background investigation and Kushner’s access to government secrets.

Last year, President Trump directed his then-chief of staff, John F. Kelly, to give Kushner a top-secret security clearance, despite concerns expressed by career intelligence officers.

Trump demanded top-secret security clearance for Jared Kushner last year despite concerns of John Kelly and intelligence officials

Security clearance experts said the issues raised in Kushner’s background investigation were significant.

“It’s a big deal,” said David Kris, a senior Justice Department official during the administrations of presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama and a founder of the consulting firm Culper Partners.


Ocasio-Cortez: ‘What is next, putting nuclear codes in Instagram DMs?’
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on April 2 criticized the Trump administration over alleged security clearance impropriety. (Video: The Washington Post)
“The kinds of concerns that she mentioned are very serious,” he said. “Senior staff at the White House — and particularly relatives of the U.S. president — are incredibly attractive targets for our adversaries seeking to gather intelligence or exert covert influence.”


White House officials declined to comment Wednesday. An attorney for Kushner referred questions to the White House.

NBC News previously reported that Kline overruled a decision by two career White House security specialists to deny Kushner a clearance.

In an interview Monday with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Kushner said he could not comment on the White House security clearance process, but dismissed the idea that he posed a risk to national security.

“But I can say over the last two years that I’ve been here, I’ve been accused of all different types of things, and all of those things have turned out to be false,” he said.

Kushner’s legal team issued a statement in February saying that “White House and security clearance officials affirmed that Mr. Kushner’s security clearance was handled in the regular process with no pressure from anyone.”


Kushner, who is a senior adviser to Trump and married to his daughter Ivanka, was unable to obtain a permanent security clearance for more than a year as his background investigation dragged on — a situation that troubled senior White House officials.

Newbold told the House Oversight Committee that Kushner’s background investigation raised concerns about foreign influence, outside business interests and personal conduct, according to a document released by the committee.

The specific issues flagged in his background check remain unknown. But The Washington Post reported last year that foreign officials had privately discussed ways to try to manipulate Kushner by taking advantage of his complex business arrangements, financial difficulties and lack of foreign policy experience.

Among the nations that discussed ways to influence Kushner were the United Arab Emirates, China, Israel and Mexico, current and former officials said.


Kushner also came to his post with complex business holdings and a family company facing significant debt, including more than $1 billion owed on a Manhattan office tower at 666 Fifth Avenue.

In 2016, at the same time Kushner was helping to run Trump’s presidential campaign, he and company officials spoke with potential foreign investors about becoming partners in the building, including investors in China and Qatar.

Those deals never materialized. In August, Brookfield Asset Management, a Canadian company, announced it was purchasing the office tower.

Kushner Companies finalizes deal on troubled office tower

A person familiar with Kushner’s security clearance, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal matters, noted that Kushner was interviewed by both the special counsel and congressional lawmakers investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign.

“Not one allegation has been proven, and no one has in any way been able to show any foreign influence or improper business investments,” the person said.

While Kushner’s security clearance was pending, he held an interim top-secret clearance that at one point also gave him access to some of the government’s most sensitive materials, including the president’s daily intelligence brief, The Post has reported.

Last February, his clearance was downgraded to secret as part of an effort by Kelly to rein in the number of White House officials without permanent clearances who had access to highly classified material.


Trump then personally directed Kelly to give Kushner a top-secret clearance — a move that made Kelly so uncomfortable that he documented the request in writing, according to people familiar with the situation.


As president, Trump has the authority to grant such clearances. But congressional Democrats have raised questions about the risks that could be overlooked by such a decision.

“It shows a disregard for the national security of the country if the professionals in the intelligence community believed Jared Kushner shouldn’t get a security clearance, and the president overrode that decision to give him one,” said House Intelligence Committee member Joaquin Castro (D-Tex.).

Kushner’s permanent top-secret clearance was granted May 1, according to internal White House personnel logs obtained by The Post. The notation was made by someone with the initials “CLK,” the same as Newbold’s then-boss, Kline.

On the same day, Ivanka Trump also obtained her clearance, the logs show.

Newbold told the House Oversight Committee that Kline had overruled her denial of Kushner’s clearance. She said he did so without addressing the disqualifying factors raised by the staff and merely noting that “the activities occurred prior to Federal service,” according to a committee document.

An attorney for Kline declined to comment.

In a memo Monday, Republican staff members on the House Oversight Committee said that Newbold did not have “direct knowledge” about why Kline overruled her recommendation to deny a clearance to “Official 1.” They also described Newbold as a disgruntled employee.

In her testimony, Newbold said that when Kushner applied for an even higher level of clearance, another agency contacted her to determine “how we rendered a favorable adjudication,” an inquiry she said reflected that agency’s “serious concerns.”

The agency was not identified in committee documents. The CIA is the agency responsible for granting White House officials access to government information classified above top secret.

In all, Newbold alleged that 25 individuals have been given clearances or access to national security information since 2018 despite concerns about ties to foreign influence, conflicts of interests, questionable or criminal conduct, financial problems or drug abuse.

Newbold, who worked on security clearance matters in the White House for 18 years under Republican and Democratic administrations, said she reluctantly came forward as a whistleblower over concern for national security.
“I would not be doing a service to myself, my country, or my children if I sat back knowing that the issues that we have could impact national security,” she told the committee, according to its summary of her interview.
Newbold said that she faced retaliation internally after she raised concerns about the clearance process. At one point, she has alleged, Kline moved clearance-related files to a shelf beyond the reach of Newbold, who has a rare form of dwarfism.

The House Oversight Committee’s Democratic majority voted this week to issue a subpoena to Kline to testify about his role in approving the security clearances. The panel’s vote was one of the first moves in the Democratic-controlled House to compel the White House to provide information about the Trump inner circle.

The White House has said that the Oversight Committee has no authority to question the president on security-clearance matters and has refused to provide the committee with documents.

Republicans on the panel have attacked Cummings’s inquiry, saying that he has politicized the discussion of the clearance issue and that he “cherry-picked” excerpts of the closed-door interview with Newbold. They complained that GOP members were unable to attend because they were told about it only the previous afternoon.

Newbold’s lawyer, Edward Passman, said Republican staffers were present for the hearing and aggressively questioned Newbold.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:45 pm Who cares ? Disgruntled leaking staffers (whose Director overruled them)...& partisans like you.
obtw -- Kushner was under surveillance during the campaign.
Any evidence, or even leaks alleging, that Kushner did anything improper with his security ciearance ?
More confirmation bias, which found nothing.
Have someone working in the White House, working DIRECTLY with the President. Working on our nations behalf overseas, knowing full well that the nature of the job means you need security bona fides.


And you're telling me you don't care that he couldn't get clearances. Neat.

You do you. Vote for Republicans. They'll make it so that everything in your little world is flawless.

All your complaints disappear. World Peace. No hunger. And those pesky test scores you're worried about for Children when a Dem is in the White House.

You'll go back to your Trump days, and say not one single word about the problem you're pretending to care about.

I'll even vote for DeSantis to get you to your place of bliss, OS. I'll take the tax break, while you wave through EVERYTHING he does.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:28 pm How do you know they were investigating her. It was probably something our spies or signals intel in Russia picked up, or was passed to then by an allied intel service. ?
Oh, for F's sake. Are you this stupid?

You just told me that the CIA's Brennan handed Obama a memo on what Hillary was doing. We know it had redacted info. on it. But in your stupid, petty, pointless world, you're here telling me it someone just probably "googled Hillary and Steele", and the memo popped out.

FFS, stop with the stupidity act. You're trying to tell me that it's not an investigation if they don't scream "I. Declare. Bankruptcy"!!!!!


old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:28 pm Was he investigating her or was it something that our IC passively became aware of
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Right.

Go walk your dogs. Come back when you're grown up enough to admit even the simplest of things. Like you exist. Or Navy has a lacrosse team.

This other stuff is apparently above your pay grade. Did your diploma arrive because your college was "passively aware" that you were on campus? Or were inquiries made by your teachers?

:lol: That depends on what the meaning of the word "is" means, right Bill?
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a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:54 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:45 pm Who cares ? Disgruntled leaking staffers (whose Director overruled them)...& partisans like you.
obtw -- Kushner was under surveillance during the campaign.
Any evidence, or even leaks alleging, that Kushner did anything improper with his security ciearance ?
More confirmation bias, which found nothing.
Have someone working in the White House, working DIRECTLY with the President. Working on our nations behalf overseas, knowing full well that the nature of the job means you need security bona fides.


And you're telling me you don't care that he couldn't get clearances. Neat.

You do you. Vote for Republicans. They'll make it so that everything in your little world is flawless.

All your complaints disappear. World Peace. No hunger. And those pesky test scores you're worried about for Children when a Dem is in the White House.

You'll go back to your Trump days, and say not one single word about the problem you're pretending to care about.

I'll even vote for DeSantis to get you to your place of bliss, OS. I'll take the tax break, while you wave through EVERYTHING he does.
Kushner accomplished a lot in our relations with Israel & the Arab states. During his time in the WH, no snitches or whistleblowers from within the IC blew any whistles on him, & you can bet he was being watched & monitored closely. It appears the President's confidence was warranted.

All you have is 7 year old suspicions, innuendo & more confirmation bias.
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a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 9:00 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:28 pm How do you know they were investigating her. It was probably something our spies or signals intel in Russia picked up, or was passed to then by an allied intel service. ?
Oh, for F's sake. Are you this stupid?

You just told me that the CIA's Brennan handed Obama a memo on what Hillary was doing. We know it had redacted info. on it. But in your stupid, petty, pointless world, you're here telling me it someone just probably "googled Hillary and Steele", and the memo popped out.

FFS, stop with the stupidity act. You're trying to tell me that it's not an investigation if they don't scream "I. Declare. Bankruptcy"!!!!!


old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 8:28 pm Was he investigating her or was it something that our IC passively became aware of
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Right.

Go walk your dogs. Come back when you're grown up enough to admit even the simplest of things. Like you exist. Or Navy has a lacrosse team.

This other stuff is apparently above your pay grade. Did your diploma arrive because your college was "passively aware" that you were on campus? Or were inquiries made by your teachers?

:lol: That depends on what the meaning of the word "is" means, right Bill?
Why would Brennan initiate a CIA investigation of Clinton ? You're consuming too much of your own product.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:24 pm Why would Brennan initiate a CIA investigation of Clinton ? You're consuming too much of your own product.
To take her out, naturally. You think you're the only guy who gets to use TinFoilHats?

-you're telling me that there's a Deep State that weaponizes US Intel to go after political targets
-you told me that these cats aren't allowed to do that without probable cause (how you get probable cause without investigating? who knows?)
-you told me that Brennan showed up with classified intel on Hillary, and gave it to Obama. Hillary hasn't committed any crimes, so where's the probable cause, my man?

You don't care why Brennan showed up after investigating Hillarys activities. It never occurred to you to think about it, because she's a Dem, so she doesn't get your above protection of being off limits for Intel investigations.

I, naturally, disagree.


You, sadly, have won. US Intel, and the FBI specifically, knows that it's now a career killer to investigate corrupt politicians. You and your buds trust that little R with you life, and are certain that they don't do bad stuff. So you'll get what you want: more corruption than ever.

Watch and learn. In a decade, we're gonna hear about all time high grift, bribery and corruption of elected officials because your team told them to let them do their worst, and you can't even INVESTIGATE them.

It's funny. You geniuses get, without thinking, that not punishing shoplifters and other crimes can lead to MORE shoplifting. But you're acting confused as to why I'm telling you that I DON'T WANT corrupt POS politicians like Hillary and Trump to escape oversight.

But you do you.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:20 pm Kushner accomplished a lot in our relations with Israel & the Arab states. During his time in the WH, no snitches or whistleblowers from within the IC blew any whistles on him, & you can bet he was being watched & monitored closely. It appears the President's confidence was warranted.

All you have is 7 year old suspicions, innuendo & more confirmation bias.
"I like his policies", is your lame answer.

Great news, then. Don't require any clearances for anyone who works in a Presidential Administration, since OS thinks they're doing the Lord's work, and he likes their policies.

That'll make it cheaper on this taxpayer. Neat to hear you tell me that you don't need clearances, so long as you're executing OS's policies. It's like I said: obviously this stuff ain't all that important, or you'd care about these things.

I trust enlisted and DoD people more than Kushner, so we can dispense with their clearances, too.

Boom, just saved the taxpayer a few million a year in wasted fancy paperwork that no one pays attention to anyway.
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-you told me that these cats aren't allowed to do that without probable cause (how you get probable cause without investigating? who knows?)
-you told me that Brennan showed up with classified intel on Hillary, and gave it to Obama. Hillary hasn't committed any crimes, so where's the probable cause, my man?

You don't care why Brennan showed up after investigating Hillarys activities. It never occurred to you to think about it, because she's a Dem, so she doesn't get your above protection of being off limits for Intel investigations.
It was not an investigation. It was intel that the IC became aware of. That does not mean they were investigating Clinton.

Brennan was giving his CinC a heads up. That might have been what prompted the defensive briefing for the Clinton campaign.

You're feigned ignorance & obtuseness on this is tiresome & argumentative.
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a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:42 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:20 pm Kushner accomplished a lot in our relations with Israel & the Arab states. During his time in the WH, no snitches or whistleblowers from within the IC blew any whistles on him, & you can bet he was being watched & monitored closely. It appears the President's confidence was warranted.

All you have is 7 year old suspicions, innuendo & more confirmation bias.
"I like his policies", is your lame answer.

Great news, then. Don't require any clearances for anyone who works in a Presidential Administration, since OS thinks they're doing the Lord's work, and he likes their policies.

That'll make it cheaper on this taxpayer. Neat to hear you tell me that you don't need clearances, so long as you're executing OS's policies. It's like I said: obviously this stuff ain't all that important, or you'd care about these things.

I trust enlisted and DoD people more than Kushner, so we can dispense with their clearances, too.

Boom, just saved the taxpayer a few million a year in wasted fancy paperwork that no one pays attention to anyway.
No. Nothing has come to light to justify denying him a security clearance.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:46 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:42 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:20 pm Kushner accomplished a lot in our relations with Israel & the Arab states. During his time in the WH, no snitches or whistleblowers from within the IC blew any whistles on him, & you can bet he was being watched & monitored closely. It appears the President's confidence was warranted.

All you have is 7 year old suspicions, innuendo & more confirmation bias.
"I like his policies", is your lame answer.

Great news, then. Don't require any clearances for anyone who works in a Presidential Administration, since OS thinks they're doing the Lord's work, and he likes their policies.

That'll make it cheaper on this taxpayer. Neat to hear you tell me that you don't need clearances, so long as you're executing OS's policies. It's like I said: obviously this stuff ain't all that important, or you'd care about these things.

I trust enlisted and DoD people more than Kushner, so we can dispense with their clearances, too.

Boom, just saved the taxpayer a few million a year in wasted fancy paperwork that no one pays attention to anyway.
No. Nothing has come to light to justify denying him a security clearance.
That's right. You have NO CLUE why he was denied.

And you don't care. Same story with all of this. Your values are entirely party dependent, OS. It's why I'm arguing with you.



If you had been all over the FBI for investigating Hunter for SIX YEARS? Or bothered asking 'why is the Trump-led FBI opening a case on Hunter, I demand to see cause." We'd be good. I'd BELIEVE YOU when you claim this ain't partisan.

Instead? :lol: You offhandedly tell the forum that the CIA was investigating Hillary's activities, and gave a report to Obama...and it hilariously never occurs to you that that's not ok with you, because that's your gripe of weaponizing US Intel to investigate political figures without cause.

It's spectacular.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:44 pm It was not an investigation. It was intel that the IC became aware of. That does not mean they were investigating Clinton.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Right. G*d reached down and gave the info to Brennan. CIA agents didn't investigate documents or strategies that Hillary was employing in her campaign....because OS sez so. Therefore, it must be true.

And we don't even have most of the memo, because it's redacted. Hey OS, remind the Forum why they normally redact CIA intel documents?

But sure, they most certainly weren't investigating Hillary or her team. :roll:

Here's an excerpt:

“We’re getting additional insight into Russian activities from [REDACTED],” Brennan notes read. “CITE [summarizing] alleged approved by Hillary Clinton a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service,” Brennan’s notes read.

Now how does the CIA have intel on Hillary's campaign if they weren't investigating her, OS? How'd they get this info. from Hillary's foreign policy advisor?

Answer: they were obviously surveilling the Clinton campaign.

Do you care? F no, you don't care.

But please, can I borrow your pearls so I can clutch them when they dare to do this to the Mighty Republicans? :lol:
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a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:54 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:46 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:42 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:20 pm Kushner accomplished a lot in our relations with Israel & the Arab states. During his time in the WH, no snitches or whistleblowers from within the IC blew any whistles on him, & you can bet he was being watched & monitored closely. It appears the President's confidence was warranted.

All you have is 7 year old suspicions, innuendo & more confirmation bias.
"I like his policies", is your lame answer.

Great news, then. Don't require any clearances for anyone who works in a Presidential Administration, since OS thinks they're doing the Lord's work, and he likes their policies.

That'll make it cheaper on this taxpayer. Neat to hear you tell me that you don't need clearances, so long as you're executing OS's policies. It's like I said: obviously this stuff ain't all that important, or you'd care about these things.

I trust enlisted and DoD people more than Kushner, so we can dispense with their clearances, too.

Boom, just saved the taxpayer a few million a year in wasted fancy paperwork that no one pays attention to anyway.
No. Nothing has come to light to justify denying him a security clearance.
That's right. You have NO CLUE why he was denied.

And you don't care. Same story with all of this. Your values are entirely party dependent, OS. It's why I'm arguing with you.

If you had been all over the FBI for investigating Hunter for SIX YEARS? Or bothered asking 'why is the Trump-led FBI opening a case on Hunter, I demand to see cause." We'd be good. I'd BELIEVE YOU when you claim this ain't partisan.

Instead? :lol: You offhandedly tell the forum that the CIA was investigating Hillary's activities, and gave a report to Obama...and it hilariously never occurs to you that that's not ok with you, because that's your gripe of weaponizing US Intel to investigate political figures without cause.

It's spectacular.
Again. He was not denied. 2 staffers recommended against granting him a clearance, then whistle blew & leaked when their supervisor disagreed & granted him one.

The WP told me why the leaking whistle blowers recommended not granting him a clearance.

Again -- I did not claim the CIA was investigating Clinton. What's your source for that claim ?
Brennan became aware that Russia was aware of what she was doing.

If you're really as dumb as you're pretending to be, you have no clue how this stuff happens.

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old salt wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:15 am Again. He was not denied. 2 staffers recommended against granting him a clearance, then whistle blew & leaked when their supervisor disagreed & granted him one.
With pressure from Trump, of course. But who cares? I like his poliices.
old salt wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:15 am The WP told me why the leaking whistle blowers recommended not granting him a clearance.
That's not the same thing. Where's Durham's report on the matter? I'm waiting for that to come out before I pass judgement. We can wait together.
old salt wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:15 am Again -- I did not claim the CIA was investigating Clinton. What's your source for that claim ?
:lol: The memo that Trump declassified that Brennan handed Obama. It still has massive redactions.

Where the F do you think they got that info?
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a fan wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:02 am Now how does the CIA have intel on Hillary's campaign if they weren't investigating her, OS? How'd they get this info. from Hillary's foreign policy advisor?

Answer: they were obviously surveilling the Clinton campaign.

Do you care? F no, you don't care.

But please, can I borrow your pearls so I can clutch them when they dare to do this to the Mighty Republicans? :lol:
No. It came from inside Russia. Newsflash - we spy on Russia.
Especially when we're concerned that they're trying to influence our election.

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Holy cow, Trump did a real number on your reasoning.


“We’re getting additional insight into Russian activities from [REDACTED],” Brennan notes read. “CITE [summarizing] alleged approved by Hillary Clinton a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service,” Brennan’s notes read."

How would the CIA know about what Hillary approved? Or know about what one of her Foreign Policy advisers advised, OS?

Go ahead and dazzle me.


Get me the un-redacted portions, my man. Then we'll talk about where and how the CIA got that now classified information.
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Holy cow, Trump did a real number on your reasoning.

“We’re getting additional insight into Russian activities from [REDACTED],” Brennan notes read. “CITE [summarizing] alleged approved by Hillary Clinton a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service,” Brennan’s notes read."

How would the CIA know about what Hillary approved? Or know about what one of her Foreign Policy advisers advised, OS?

Go ahead and dazzle me.

Get me the un-redacted portions, my man. Then we'll talk about where and how the CIA got that now classified information.
You don't need them. The small redactions protect their "sources & methods.
They were spying on the Russians (as they should), not investigating Clinton.

You're just vomiting on your keyboard now, to waste my time. I'm done.
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old salt wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:27 am
a fan wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:02 am Now how does the CIA have intel on Hillary's campaign if they weren't investigating her, OS? How'd they get this info. from Hillary's foreign policy advisor?

Answer: they were obviously surveilling the Clinton campaign.

Do you care? F no, you don't care.

But please, can I borrow your pearls so I can clutch them when they dare to do this to the Mighty Republicans? :lol:
No. It came from inside Russia. Newsflash - we spy on Russia.
Especially when we're concerned that they're trying to influence our election.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-br ... mo-clinton
:lol: You honestly can't keep all this straight, it's spectacular.

Dude, you've been whining about the Steele Dossier coming from Russian sources for YEARS......now you're claiming that information about Hillary's campaign was sourced from Russia and handed to the sitting POTUS and heaven knows who else...and that's perfectly fine?

What the heck is Brennan doing giving Hillary's inside campaign information to a politician..... Obama? Literally the stuff you've been complaining about. Who cares, Hill's a Dem, right? Problem, what problem?

Why is the CIA typing up memos about Hillary's campaign if the idea is that they're spying on Russians?

Dude, you are MORE than welcome to take your suitcase of nutbaggery and bail. You're now telling me that it's perfectly fine for an Administration to receive details about a political campaign, so long as it (snicker) came from the Russians.

Protip: neither Hillary nor her advisors are Russian. So.....either don't spy on them, or leave it the F out of a memo, for heaven's sake.

Steele Dossier is now cleared by Old Salt, folks. It came from Russians, and that's what we're supposed to do, so it's cool. Neat-o.
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Re: "The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

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old salt wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:34 am They were spying on the Russians (as they should), not investigating Clinton.
Same goes for TrumpCampaign. Don't complain next time. Problem solved.
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