DMac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:50 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:53 pm
DMac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:37 pm
All that said it's still not a good idea to use the military as an example. Of course it's not hard to figure it out but in the civilian world you have options whereas in the military it's a matter of structure, and again, protocol. You can accept from an ex military guy that's it's not a good comparison or not.
What about once your time in service is over?
What about in sports where you have to call your head coach? It’s voluntary to participate like the military and once your in if you don’t then your out. Is that not a reasonable comparison?
When you're out there is no longer a protocol.
No, it's not a reasonable comparison.
pro·to·col
[ˈprōdəˌkôl, ˈprōdəˌkäl]
NOUN
the official procedure or system of rules governing affairs of state or diplomatic occasions:
In the civilian world you can address a person however you want and they can be addressed however they want.
In the military there are no options for the one being addressed or the one doing the addressing.
Once you're out none of that pertains, two different worlds, which is why the comparison doesn't
work.
Every system or form of organization has protocol that’s not unique to military. Protocol is broken all the time in and out of the form of organization know as the military. Isn’t there various forces discharges? Protocol exists everywhere and jointing the military is a choice, if forced by circumstance for some (many). But it’s not prison where your choice is forcibly taken. My cousin was discharged because he got caught selling weed while serving. He broke protocol. How was that not his choice?
Your definition and the words state and diplomatic occasions are not the sole domain of military. This I don’t understand how your answer even addresses my point.
What I do understand is a refusal by anyone to have several to acknowledge any similarities with anything else in the world yet I see examples of folks within service and after service who insist it isn’t true despite their own specific behavior betraying that argument. Goes for cousin who was tossed, had a felony he had to get removed and now throws up marine stuff on Facebook all the time to reflect his toughness and yet any toughness he has isn’t in any way, shape or form defined by his military service or experience. Then there’s a wife’s cousin who used rotc to pay for college, became a weatherman in service and has acknowledged he is only doing twenty years to get a pensions and double dip and long after it’s his choice to get out does everything in his paper to get people to “suck his d**k” regarding his service. Or the guy who went to West Point and I watched get girls hammered with bad intentions on the reg. All that behavior in and out of service is easily and highly translatable and relatable to many other forms of organization. All over life.
OS argument later on that you say rank when unsure actually explains it a lot better than “it’s the military you can’t understand” followed by arguments that just don’t address the issue at hand. What I don’t follow in his argument is why it matters if you’ve been trained in protocol then what protocol are you following in treating other human beings? It would indicate they don’t respect protocol in life and reject what is considered decent by the people of planet earth- a state.
state - government related is way down the list using your tactic of sharing literal definition
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noun
ˈstāt
often attributive
1
: mode or condition of being
a state of readiness
(1)
: condition of mind or temperament
in a highly nervous state
(2)
: a condition of abnormal tension or excitement
2
a
: a condition or stage in the physical being of something
insects in the larval state
the gaseous state of water
b
: any of various conditions characterized by definite quantities (as of energy, angular momentum, or magnetic moment) in which an atomic system may exist
3
a
: social position
especially : high rank
b
(1)
: elaborate or luxurious style of living
(2)
: formal dignity : POMP —usually used with in
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a
: a body of persons constituting a special class in a society : ESTATE sense 3
b
states plural : the members or representatives of the governing classes assembled in a legislative body
c
obsolete : a person of high rank (as a noble)
5
a
: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory
especially : one that is sovereign
b
: the political organization of such a body of people
c
: a government or politically organized society having a particular character
a police state
the welfare state
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: the operations or concerns of the government of a country
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: one of the constituent units of a nation having a federal government
the fifty states
Noun (see gator diplomacy or panda diplomacy below!)
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diplomacy (countable and uncountable, plural diplomacies)
The art and practice of conducting international relations by negotiating alliances, treaties, agreements etc., bilaterally or multilaterally, between states and sometimes international organizations, or even between polities with varying status, such as those of monarchs and their princely vassals. quotations ▼synonyms ▲hyponyms ▼
Synonyms: statesmanship, statecraft
National diplomacy typically deploys its dexterity to secure advantage for one's nation.
Tact and subtle skill in dealing with people so as to avoid or settle hostility.
Derived terms
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commodity diplomacy
dollar diplomacy
gastrodiplomacy
guerrilla diplomacy
gunboat diplomacy
hostage diplomacy
panda diplomacy
ping-pong diplomacy
public diplomacy