January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics ... index.html

There is clarification about the National Guard and how it can be used that confirms Salty's assertion that it needs to be activated but not deployed. It also indicates that neither McConnell nor Pelosi declined to activate the NG (and Miller should know as he was at NYPD on that day).

Their Sergeants-at-Arms denied the CPB's advance request for NG support, on their behalf.

DoD offered, in advance, carte blanche NG support, to both the CPB & DC Mayor.
All they had to do was go on record requesting it.

Again, the actual "plan" that was getting communicated amongst the insurrectionists involved the NG being used by the POS under the Insurrection Act.

Trump may have wanted the cover of having been requested to have them in place...he certainly didn't 'need' that 'request' 'on record' the prior summer.

I'm also not sure, though less sure, that anyone declined, much less did so with McConnell or Pelosi's knowledge, or even "on their behalf" without their knowledge.

If we believe Sund entirely, the SA's didn't request NG (not their or Sund's job really) but they did ask how fast the response could be...but their view was that no one was actually expecting a violent assault on the Capitol itself...not knowing what Trump was going to do to egg them on...

Mistake to not suspect Trump and the Willard crew were going to urge the violence as they did....in reaction to Pence's refusal to go along with their coup charade.

[Kismet]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics ... index.html

There is clarification about the National Guard and how it can be used that confirms Salty's assertion that it needs to be activated but not deployed. It also indicates that neither McConnell nor Pelosi declined to activate the NG (and Miller should know as he was at NYPD on that day).

Their Sergeants-at-Arms denied the CPB's advance request for NG support, on their behalf.

DoD offered, in advance, carte blanche NG support, to both the CPB & DC Mayor.
All they had to do was go on record requesting it.

That is NOT what John Miller reported in the piece I linked. He was at NYPD counterintelligence at the the time - apologies if I choose to believe him rather than YOU.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics ... index.html

There is clarification about the National Guard and how it can be used that confirms Salty's assertion that it needs to be activated but not deployed. It also indicates that neither McConnell nor Pelosi declined to activate the NG (and Miller should know as he was at NYPD on that day).

Their Sergeants-at-Arms denied the CPB's advance request for NG support, on their behalf.

DoD offered, in advance, carte blanche NG support, to both the CPB & DC Mayor.
All they had to do was go on record requesting it.

That is NOT what John Miller reported in the piece I linked. He was at NYPD counterintelligence at the the time - apologies if I choose to believe him rather than YOU.

Old Secret service agent may have been on the group text with the secret service agents. Since those have all disappeared, we won’t know. Need another hearing like we had with Hillary and those two FBI agents that Old Soldier laughs about.

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics ... index.html

There is clarification about the National Guard and how it can be used that confirms Salty's assertion that it needs to be activated but not deployed. It also indicates that neither McConnell nor Pelosi declined to activate the NG (and Miller should know as he was at NYPD on that day).

Their Sergeants-at-Arms denied the CPB's advance request for NG support, on their behalf.

DoD offered, in advance, carte blanche NG support, to both the CPB & DC Mayor.
All they had to do was go on record requesting it.

That is NOT what John Miller reported in the piece I linked. He was at NYPD counterintelligence at the the time - apologies if I choose to believe him rather than YOU.

Here is what Miller reported. The rest of my post is based on DoD's official report & Congressional testimony of SecDef, Sec Army, CJCS, & other DoD officials. It does not differ from what Miller reported about the intel. He jst does not go into the NG request process.
Both Sergeant's at Arms work directly for their Leader, both denied the initial request for the NG.

A day after Capitol Police Chief Steve Sund read Donohue’s Intelligence analysis, according to his testimony in the Senate, “I approached the two Sergeants at Arms to request the assistance of the National Guard, as I had no authority to do so without an Emergency Declaration by the Capitol Police Board.”

Sund testified that he asked the House of Representatives Sergeant-at-Arms, Paul Irving, to ask for National Guard troops for January 6. According to Sund’s testimony, Irving, who effectively reported to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said “he was concerned about the ‘optics’ of having National Guard present and didn’t feel that the intelligence supported it.” Irving denied Sund’s account in his written testimony,

“Certain media reports have stated that ‘optics’ determined my judgment about using those National Guard troops. That is categorically false. ‘Optics’ as portrayed in the media did not determine our security posture; safety was always paramount when evaluating security for January 6.”

Sund, at Irving’s suggestion, then tried the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger who reported to then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

According to Sund, Stenger also would not approve the request but “suggested I ask them how quickly we could get support if needed and to ‘lean forward’ in case we had to request assistance on January 6.” When Sund called National Guard Gen. William Walker on the days leading up to January 6, he asked if Walker would be able to get troops on the ground if needed. Walker told Sund yes, but needed the formal approvals to mobilize.

Both sergeants-at-arms testified in March that they never brought the January 3 request from the chief of the Capitol to either Pelosi or McConnell until the Capitol was fully under siege on January 6. Irving said, “The intelligence was not that there would be a coordinated attack on the Capitol, nor was it contemplated in any of the interagency meetings I attended before the attack.” Stenger died of cancer in June.

If there was one thing that might have changed, it might have been advance word from the White House that President Donald Trump was going to give a speech to a large crowd of supporters outside on the Ellipse and tell them they had to “fight like hell” to save the country as they prepared to march to the Capitol. That didn’t enter the threat stream until it actually happened.

In the end, both sergeants-at-arms and the Capitol Police chief had to fall on their swords. In March, Congress called for a review of how critical operational decisions are made by the Capitol Police. Congress passed legislation giving the chief of the Capitol Police the authority to ask for emergency assistance from the DC National Guard and other federal agencies without having to go through the Capitol Police Board.

The swift passage of the new legislation shows us that even elected officials who routinely work by committee, understood that their police chief shouldn’t have to run a crisis through one.

[old salt]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics ... index.html

There is clarification about the National Guard and how it can be used that confirms Salty's assertion that it needs to be activated but not deployed. It also indicates that neither McConnell nor Pelosi declined to activate the NG (and Miller should know as he was at NYPD on that day).

Their Sergeants-at-Arms denied the CPB's advance request for NG support, on their behalf.

DoD offered, in advance, carte blanche NG support, to both the CPB & DC Mayor.
All they had to do was go on record requesting it.

Again, the actual "plan" that was getting communicated amongst the insurrectionists involved the NG being used by the POS under the Insurrection Act.

Trump may have wanted the cover of having been requested to have them in place...he certainly didn't 'need' that 'request' 'on record' the prior summer.

I'm also not sure, though less sure, that anyone declined, much less did so with McConnell or Pelosi's knowledge, or even "on their behalf" without their knowledge.

If we believe Sund entirely, the SA's didn't request NG (not their or Sund's job really) but they did ask how fast the response could be...but their view was that no one was actually expecting a violent assault on the Capitol itself...not knowing what Trump was going to do to egg them on...

Mistake to not suspect Trump and the Willard crew were going to urge the violence as they did....in reaction to Pence's refusal to go along with their coup charade.

That has nothing to do with the availability, speed or size of the NG response on Jan 6.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/politics ... index.html

There is clarification about the National Guard and how it can be used that confirms Salty's assertion that it needs to be activated but not deployed. It also indicates that neither McConnell nor Pelosi declined to activate the NG (and Miller should know as he was at NYPD on that day).

Their Sergeants-at-Arms denied the CPB's advance request for NG support, on their behalf.

DoD offered, in advance, carte blanche NG support, to both the CPB & DC Mayor.
All they had to do was go on record requesting it.

Again, the actual "plan" that was getting communicated amongst the insurrectionists involved the NG being used by the POS under the Insurrection Act.

Trump may have wanted the cover of having been requested to have them in place...he certainly didn't 'need' that 'request' 'on record' the prior summer.

I'm also not sure, though less sure, that anyone declined, much less did so with McConnell or Pelosi's knowledge, or even "on their behalf" without their knowledge.

If we believe Sund entirely, the SA's didn't request NG (not their or Sund's job really) but they did ask how fast the response could be...but their view was that no one was actually expecting a violent assault on the Capitol itself...not knowing what Trump was going to do to egg them on...

Mistake to not suspect Trump and the Willard crew were going to urge the violence as they did....in reaction to Pence's refusal to go along with their coup charade.

That has nothing to do with the availability, speed or size of the NG response on Jan 6.

I was responding to what I considered to be inaccuracies in your statements.

That said, of course it does. Had those who knew what POS Trump and the Willard folks were planning, the Sergeant at Arms could have made an Emergency Declaration (for an emergency that hadn't happened) and the NG could have been standing ready. Or the POS could have ordered the ready-state. And then if they had received the order to deploy, it could have been much, much faster.

Instead, they weren't ready to go...and the order never came from the POS.
Others were begging for a response, to at least gear up, get the motors running...but the military stood on protocol and waited and waited and waited.

Not to blame the military...this was the POS' fault.

Yet you want to blame Democrats...and the Sergeant at Arms of both bodies...who didn't understand what Trump and the Willard folks were planning the night before...remember, their plan shifted to a direct attack only after Pence refused to play ball...which the POS was still furious about the morning of January 6, the next day.

[old salt]

...or the political hack Sergeants-at-arms could have heeded the request of the CPB Chief (who was aware of the intel) rather than worrying about their bosses concern for the overly militaristic optics. But that still would not have convinced the DC Mayor.

[dislaxxic]

No Trump incitement, no mob attack on the Capitol...

..

[old salt]

Think maybe Steve Scalise owes Pelosi an apology?

No.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... dan-banks/

So how much does the new footage undercut the claim? And where does the claim even come from?

The first thing to note is that the claim has been amorphous. Republicans generally haven’t detailed precisely what they’re referring to. And it’s often been raised in the kind of just-asking-questions manner meant to plant seeds of doubt without any actual evidence.

A sampling:

On July 27, 2021, No. 3 House Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) offered perhaps the most direct claim: “We also know that on January 6th, Nancy Pelosi was passed a note by the sergeant-at-arms, her political appointee, asking for her permission to bring in the National Guard. She hesitated.”
The same day, Rep. Troy E. Nehls (R-Tex.) said, “The House sergeant-at-arms answers to Nancy Pelosi, and it’s been suggested the day of January 6th, he was waiting for Speaker Pelosi’s approval before calling in the National Guard.”
That same day and week, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) referred several times to the idea that Pelosi might have “hesitated,” while qualifying that it was based upon “press reports.”
Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.) picked up the claim on both June 8 and 9 of this year, but merely raised it as a question. “Was Speaker Pelosi involved in the decision to delay the National Guard assistance on January 6th?” he asked suggestively.
Very shortly after Banks repeated the question at a June 9 news conference, Scalise said, “Jim Banks just raised some very serious questions that should be answered by the January 6th commission.”

New video shows Pelosi, Schumer during Jan. 6 riot
7:11
On Oct. 13, the Jan. 6 Committee played a video of House Speaker Pelosi (D-Calif.), Senate leader Schumer (D-N.Y.) and GOP leaders during the Capitol attack. (Video: The Washington Post, Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
In the video played by the Jan. 6 committee on Thursday, Scalise is seen looking on as Pelosi joins others in pushing for assistance. Pelosi asks that the situation be treated as though the Pentagon or the White House were under siege.

The call, according to the committee, took place at 3:46 p.m. And the video also includes earlier calls in which Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) ask for assistance, as early as 3 p.m.

On Friday, Banks indicated his party’s claims and questions actually pertained to an earlier period, between when the push for the National Guard began and when word of its final approval came — a period mostly taking place in the 1 o’clock hour (depending upon the account). That would track with Stefanik’s reference to Pelosi being handed a note, which took place at 1:43 p.m.

The timeline of the Guard requests is murky. Capitol Police Chief Yogananda Pittman testified that former Capitol Police chief Steven Sund “first reached out for National Guard support to the House sergeant-at-arms” at 12:58 p.m., citing phone records. But Sund testified that his first request was at 1:09 p.m. And Irving, then the sergeant-at-arms, testified he didn’t receive such a request until after 2 p.m. — that earlier conversations didn’t include direct requests.

What we know is that Irving ultimately informed Sund that congressional leaders had approved the request at 2:10 p.m. And Banks says that gap raises questions.

For the purposes of the Republicans’ claims and suggestions, though, what matters is when Pelosi was consulted. And there is no real evidence that she was given a request and then hesitated.

During this time period, business was still being conducted, and Pelosi was in the House chamber. Video shows Pelosi’s chief of staff, Terri McCullough, approaching her at 1:43 p.m., and Pelosi’s office has said the speaker approved the request then. The New York Times reported she also asked whether Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) needed to be consulted; McCullough said she asked.

So depending on whether Pittman’s or Sund’s timeline is accurate, there were either 45 or 34 minutes between when Sund initially requested the Guard and when Pelosi was approached and, according to her office, approved it.

Banks tweeted his own timeline Friday, but it’s misleading. For one, he says Pelosi “finally” approved the request at 2:10 p.m., but that’s actually the point when Irving told Sund that request had been approved — not necessarily when Pelosi herself approved it. Banks’s tweet also refers to Irving as “Pelosi’s staff,” but it’s a position nominated by the speaker that serves the whole House (and which the whole House votes to approve).

And there remains no evidence that she dithered when Irving actually approached her; nor is there evidence she was approached earlier. As noted, she was on the House floor during this period. While footage doesn’t always show the dais, there is no evidence of her being approached about this before 1:43 p.m.

Indeed, the Times reported that “it appears that Mr. Irving, who had told Chief Sund days earlier that he did not want National Guard troops at the Capitol on Jan. 6 because of bad ‘optics,’ waited 30 minutes after hearing from the Capitol Police chief before approaching Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s staff.”

At this point, the rioters had yet to breach the Capitol itself (that happened around 2:15 p.m.), meaning there might have been somewhat less urgency in that moment.

What this ultimately boils down to is a bunch of guesswork and surmising — along with some attempts to train the focus elsewhere. But generally speaking, when you raise such questions, there should be some affirmative reason to suspect that what’s being suggested or alleged could be true.

Scalise’s office said Friday that the whip’s comments about Banks’s questions pertained to what happened before Jan. 6, rather than any supposed delay on Jan. 6 itself. (Banks had raised both issues in his comments just before Scalise spoke.) Scalise spokesman Lauren Fine said Scalise “was referring to what he’s asked all along, which is why wasn’t the National Guard called prior to the day of.”

But plenty of others have focused on the events of Jan. 6 itself. And Banks spokesman Buckley Carlson assured Friday that, when it comes to raising that question, Banks “definitely stands by it.”

When Sergeant-at-Arms Irving denied Chief Sund's requests for NG troops because of "bad optics" was he acting on his own volition, or had he previously consulted the Speaker on the issue, or was he acting based on her reaction to the "optics" of the "overly militaristic" NG deployment during the preceding BLM riots in DC ?

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/6420-0

Pelosi Sends Letter to President Trump on Deployment of Troops & Unidentified Law Enforcement Personnel in Nation’s Capital
JUNE 4, 2020 PRESS RELEASE
Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent the following letter today to President Trump seeking answers regarding the deployment of unidentified federal law enforcement agencies and the military against peaceful protestors in the nation’s capital.

In the letter, the Speaker wrote “ It is alarming that here in our nation’s capital, the thousands who have turned out peacefully have been confronted with the deployment of various security officers from multiple jurisdictions, including unidentified federal law enforcement personnel.

We have seen soldiers on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. We have witnessed Bureau of Prisons officers in Lafayette Square. We have seen National Park Service officers hassling peaceful protestors. Several states have deployed members of their National Guard to D.C. This is in addition to the FBI and other security forces operating in our nation’s capital.

We are concerned about the increased militarization and lack of clarity that may increase chaos. I am writing to request a full list of the agencies involved and clarifications of the roles and responsibilities of the troops and federal law enforcement resources operating in the city. Congress and the American people need to know who is in charge, what is the chain of command, what is the mission, and by what authority is the National Guard from other states operating in the capital.”

“As peaceful people all over the country turn out to honor the memory of George Floyd and protest for change, we must ensure that their safety and their constitutional rights are being respected.”

[old salt]

There's still something important about the events of Jan 6th that we have not learned -- who were the forces who regained control of the Capitol & cleared out the rioters & arrested many of them ? There was obviously some good crowd control & police work done & some heroic actions. Who organized the response, or didn't, who responded to the scene & how were they deployed and co-ordinated ? We need an account of the "battle" to secure the Capitol, including diagrams, pictures & videos. Lessons learned ? What worked ? What failed ? Who was the SWAT team in desert camo ? That would be an excellent topic for an extended episode of FRONTLINE or a documentary movie.

[Kismet]

There's still something important about the events of Jan 6th that we have not learned -- who were the forces who regained control of the Capitol & cleared out the rioters & arrested many of them ? There was obviously some good crowd control & police work done & some heroic actions. Who organized the response, or didn't, who responded to the scene & how were they deployed and co-ordinated ? We need an account of the "battle" to secure the Capitol, including diagrams, pictures & videos. Lessons learned ? What worked ? What failed ? Who was the SWAT team in desert camo ? That would be an excellent topic for an extended episode of FRONTLINE or a documentary movie.

Here's your timeline (about a week after the event)- very few arrests at the time. Many, many more after the fact (still ongoing with over 650 charged and/or convicted) - Mayor Bowser's statements included about optics of militarized police to avoid what occurred the previous June when former DOPUS needed a photo op at Lafayette Square. Some detail as to how the building was secured with National guard troops from DC, MD and VA as well as police resources from those states.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/95684295 ... -january-6

"3:04 p.m. Miller provides verbal approval for the full activation of the D.C. National Guard — 1,100 members. McCarthy directs the D.C. National Guard to initiate full mobilization.

6 p.m. Acting Defense Secretary Miller authorizes the mobilization of up to 6,200 National Guard troops from Maryland, Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania, according to the Pentagon."

DC Us Attorney did not announce any arrests until Saturday, January 9

While there is certainly more than enough blame to go around in the response - perhaps it is time for you to acknowledge the elephant in the room - that the former DOPUS contributed to the incitement of the mob and did very little, if anything, to deal with the situation once it accelerated and to stop whitewashing his pitiful performance or lack thereof. Not only Orange Cheato but many parts of his WH staff and the allleged conspirators at the Willard Hotel.

Lastly while you routinely diss the DC mayor for wanting to avoid a debacle like Lafayette Square - you conveniently don't seem to have the same opinion about the rioters in the two cases nor the response where you endorsed low flying helos to disperse unarmed crowds( Many Jan 6 rioters were armed with guns and rifles, as well as bear spray, poles and other fabricated items into weapons.

Competent government should be able to handle BOTH these incidents much better than they did. Instead, we got two extremes of actions with bad outcomes.

[youthathletics]

There's still something important about the events of Jan 6th that we have not learned -- who were the forces who regained control of the Capitol & cleared out the rioters & arrested many of them ? There was obviously some good crowd control & police work done & some heroic actions. Who organized the response, or didn't, who responded to the scene & how were they deployed and co-ordinated ? We need an account of the "battle" to secure the Capitol, including diagrams, pictures & videos. Lessons learned ? What worked ? What failed ? Who was the SWAT team in desert camo ? That would be an excellent topic for an extended episode of FRONTLINE or a documentary movie.

I doubt an AAR was performed.

[PizzaSnake]

So, why would BoneSaw hire so many former military “leaders”? Their wit, their charm, or maybe their fashion sense?

Guess ole Mikey wasn’t an abberration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... di-arabia/

“In Saudi Arabia, for example, 15 retired U.S. generals and admirals have worked as paid consultants for the Defense Ministry since 2016. The ministry is led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the kingdom’s de facto ruler, who U.S. intelligence agencies say approved the 2018 killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a Washington Post contributing columnist, as part of a brutal crackdown on dissent.”

What exactly do they have to offer?

[kramerica.inc]

Speaking of AARs, an interesting read:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/0 ... ort-523995

[old salt]

While there is certainly more than enough blame to go around in the response - perhaps it is time for you to acknowledge the elephant in the room - that the former DOPUS contributed to the incitement of the mob and did very little, if anything, to deal with the situation once it accelerated and to stop whitewashing his pitiful performance or lack thereof. Not only Orange Cheato but many parts of his WH staff and the allleged conspirators at the Willard Hotel.

Lastly while you routinely diss the DC mayor for wanting to avoid a debacle like Lafayette Square - you conveniently don't seem to have the same opinion about the rioters in the two cases nor the response where you endorsed low flying helos to disperse unarmed crowds( Many Jan 6 rioters were armed with guns and rifles, as well as bear spray, poles and other fabricated items into weapons.

Don't play your dishonest smear game with me. You are just wrong. Read my previous posts. I blamed Trump for inciting the mob & criticized him for everything he did post election, including even holding a Jan 6 rally. My criticism was the absence of security preparations for Jan 6 by the CPB & DC Mayor. There was a better way to do it, as AG Barr showed in the BLM riots the previous May/June. The CPB is responsible for security on the Capitol grounds. The DC Mayor for the adjoining streets. All the Exec branch could do in advance was offer Fed police assistance & the NG, which they did. They were turned down because of the "optics" of a "militarized" response.

I've offered no excuses for the violent rioters & said they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I said the use of deadly force should have been authorized & defended the shooting of former Airman Babbitt who was a disgrace to the DC ANG.
I've posted that low flying helos' rotorwash would have been a useful tactic to clear the Capitol steps.
Had the Capitol been prepared & defended as the WH & Laf Pk were during the BLM riot, the Capitol would not have been breached.
Speaker Pelosi & the Mayor Bowser need to answer for their failure to defend the Capitol because of their concern for "optics".
Stop making sh!t up & attributing it to me.

[old salt]

Speaking of AARs, an interesting read:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/0 ... ort-523995

SNAFU PPPPPPP

[Typical Lax Dad]

While there is certainly more than enough blame to go around in the response - perhaps it is time for you to acknowledge the elephant in the room - that the former DOPUS contributed to the incitement of the mob and did very little, if anything, to deal with the situation once it accelerated and to stop whitewashing his pitiful performance or lack thereof. Not only Orange Cheato but many parts of his WH staff and the allleged conspirators at the Willard Hotel.

Lastly while you routinely diss the DC mayor for wanting to avoid a debacle like Lafayette Square - you conveniently don't seem to have the same opinion about the rioters in the two cases nor the response where you endorsed low flying helos to disperse unarmed crowds( Many Jan 6 rioters were armed with guns and rifles, as well as bear spray, poles and other fabricated items into weapons.

Don't play your dishonest smear game with me. You are just wrong. Read my previous posts. I blamed Trump for inciting the mob & criticized him for everything he did post election, including even holding a Jan 6 rally. My criticism was the absence of security preparations for Jan 6 by the CPB & DC Mayor. There was a better way to do it, as AG Barr showed in the BLM riots the previous May/June. The CPB is responsible for security on the Capitol grounds. The DC Mayor for the adjoining streets. All the Exec branch could do in advance was offer Fed police assistance & the NG, which they did. They were turned down because of the "optics" of a "militarized" response.

I've offered no excuses for the violent rioters & said they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I said the use of deadly force should have been authorized & defended the shooting of former Airman Babbitt who was a disgrace to the DC ANG.
I've posted that low flying helos' rotorwash would have been a useful tactic to clear the Capitol steps.
Had the Capitol been prepared & defended as the WH & Laf Pk were during the BLM riot, the Capitol would not have been breached.
Speaker Pelosi & the Mayor Bowser need to answer for their failure to defend the Capitol because of their concern for "optics".
Stop making sh!t up & attributing it to me.

[Farfromgeneva]

While there is certainly more than enough blame to go around in the response - perhaps it is time for you to acknowledge the elephant in the room - that the former DOPUS contributed to the incitement of the mob and did very little, if anything, to deal with the situation once it accelerated and to stop whitewashing his pitiful performance or lack thereof. Not only Orange Cheato but many parts of his WH staff and the allleged conspirators at the Willard Hotel.

Lastly while you routinely diss the DC mayor for wanting to avoid a debacle like Lafayette Square - you conveniently don't seem to have the same opinion about the rioters in the two cases nor the response where you endorsed low flying helos to disperse unarmed crowds( Many Jan 6 rioters were armed with guns and rifles, as well as bear spray, poles and other fabricated items into weapons.

Don't play your dishonest smear game with me. You are just wrong. Read my previous posts. I blamed Trump for inciting the mob & criticized him for everything he did post election, including even holding a Jan 6 rally. My criticism was the absence of security preparations for Jan 6 by the CPB & DC Mayor. There was a better way to do it, as AG Barr showed in the BLM riots the previous May/June. The CPB is responsible for security on the Capitol grounds. The DC Mayor for the adjoining streets. All the Exec branch could do in advance was offer Fed police assistance & the NG, which they did. They were turned down because of the "optics" of a "militarized" response.

I've offered no excuses for the violent rioters & said they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I said the use of deadly force should have been authorized & defended the shooting of former Airman Babbitt who was a disgrace to the DC ANG.
I've posted that low flying helos' rotorwash would have been a useful tactic to clear the Capitol steps.
Had the Capitol been prepared & defended as the WH & Laf Pk were during the BLM riot, the Capitol would not have been breached.
Speaker Pelosi & the Mayor Bowser need to answer for their failure to defend the Capitol because of their concern for "optics".
Stop making sh!t up & attributing it to me.

And I thought I have been being a “small female dog” lately…

[Kismet]

While there is certainly more than enough blame to go around in the response - perhaps it is time for you to acknowledge the elephant in the room - that the former DOPUS contributed to the incitement of the mob and did very little, if anything, to deal with the situation once it accelerated and to stop whitewashing his pitiful performance or lack thereof. Not only Orange Cheato but many parts of his WH staff and the allleged conspirators at the Willard Hotel.

Lastly while you routinely diss the DC mayor for wanting to avoid a debacle like Lafayette Square - you conveniently don't seem to have the same opinion about the rioters in the two cases nor the response where you endorsed low flying helos to disperse unarmed crowds( Many Jan 6 rioters were armed with guns and rifles, as well as bear spray, poles and other fabricated items into weapons.

Don't play your dishonest smear game with me. You are just wrong. Read my previous posts. I blamed Trump for inciting the mob & criticized him for everything he did post election, including even holding a Jan 6 rally. My criticism was the absence of security preparations for Jan 6 by the CPB & DC Mayor. There was a better way to do it, as AG Barr showed in the BLM riots the previous May/June. The CPB is responsible for security on the Capitol grounds. The DC Mayor for the adjoining streets. All the Exec branch could do in advance was offer Fed police assistance & the NG, which they did. They were turned down because of the "optics" of a "militarized" response.

I've offered no excuses for the violent rioters & said they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I said the use of deadly force should have been authorized & defended the shooting of former Airman Babbitt who was a disgrace to the DC ANG.
I've posted that low flying helos' rotorwash would have been a useful tactic to clear the Capitol steps.
Had the Capitol been prepared & defended as the WH & Laf Pk were during the BLM riot, the Capitol would not have been breached.
Speaker Pelosi & the Mayor Bowser need to answer for their failure to defend the Capitol because of their concern for "optics".
Stop making sh!t up & attributing it to me.

Quite the overreaction - perhaps a nerve was hit or you were in DDS - Durham Derangement Syndrome and otherwise generally having a bad day with the people you routinely support around here. I'm real sorry you're offended.

BTW looks like you gave Orange Cheato a pass for his role in this situation.

[MDlaxfan76]

What Salty avoids over and over again is that no one from the White House, DoD, DOJ, nor Homeland Security offered/ordered National Guard support against a frontal assault on the Capitol, though numerous individuals knew that it was being planned by at least some of POS' followers.

Nor, critically, did they inform anyone in authority that the POS was going to direct his followers to march on the Capitol and "fight like hell", promising that he would be with them.

Nor did they inform them that the POS would tweet to a mob already in hand to hand combat with Capitol Police in a frontal assault that his VP had betrayed him and the mob.

Nope did they inform them that the POS would gleefully watch the assault on Fox instead of telling his supporters to back off and disperse peacefully.

Nor did they move to activate the NG... until Pence got through and ordered it...the POS never did.

So, all we have is the head of the Capitol Police, after the disaster, claiming that he'd prior requested that the Sergeants at Arms of the House and the Senate make a request for support and that such had been rejected by both...no indication that such had been discussed with either McConnell or Pelosi, merely a claim about "optics" being bad (which may well have been a euphemism of they didn't want the POS to send the NG against anyone who was protesting against the POS supporters or worse to execute a coup). An excuse to "militarize" the protests was rejected, without comprehension of what the POS was going to order his followers to do, and without comprehension that an assault had actually been pre-planned in coordination with those close to the POS.

Both of those Sergeant at Arms and the head of the Capitol Police resigned.

But none of those who failed to inform them or act in support resigned...many lost their jobs in the transition, but no accountability to date.