All things CoronaVirus

[NattyBohChamps04]

Report: Vaccinations could have prevented quarter-million COVID deaths in U.S.

Sobering thought

[Peter Brown]

They’re actually going to lose the governors race in New York.

Just simply amazing stuff. They can’t drop this hysteria. These Democratic hysterics are causing Florida real estate to leap.

Oh well.


NYC Mayor Eric Adams masks up as city's health department quietly reveals plans to set Covid alert level to 'high' and tells residents over the age of two to wear face coverings in ALL indoor settings


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... laces.html

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/massa ... d=84817514

[jhu72]

Physician convicted for trafficking in hydroxychloroquine. Gets slap on the wrist.

[CU88]

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substac ... medium=web

Predicting the Fall and Boosters

Katelyn Jetelina

We’ve been using the same vaccine formula throughout the pandemic—one created in early 2020 to fight against the original Wuhan variant. But the virus continues to mutate quickly. This means our antibodies are waning fast and (re)infections are coming more often. Marry this with the fact that coronaviruses thrive in the winter, and we likely need an updated strategy going into the fall.

So what’s our next move?

A hard problem to solve
One way to get ahead of the virus is to anticipate the dominant variant this winter, just like we do with the flu each year.

For flu, scientists meet annually to evaluate new circulating strains and determine if an updated vaccine formula is needed. Each year, the WHO makes recommendations in February for the upcoming Northern Hemisphere influenza season. Then it takes about 5-6 months for the vaccine to be available. This isn’t a perfect process, but on average we have 60% vaccine effectiveness each year.

It’s suggested that we adapt this process for COVID-19. And I agree. But I can’t highlight enough how incredibly challenging this is right now. For several reasons:

SARS-CoV-2 is changing 4 times faster than the flu due to high transmission. New variants can emerge and dominate after the vaccine process has begun. This happened famously before the 2009 and 2014 flu season. It could certainly happen with COVID19. This time last year Alpha was dominant. By winter, we went through two new variants of concern.

We have no idea how this virus will mutate. We haven’t had enough time to see ladder-like patterns, like we see with flu. We think Omicron will continue to mutate—there’s a 70% chance we will not have another Omicron-like event—but this is just an educated guess.

For flu, there is just one main vaccine platform (egg-based). With COVID-19 we have a few. Timelines, processes, manufacturers’ experience, and facility capacity vary for each.

Because of the predictive power and manufacturing experience with flu vaccine, no new clinical data is required by the FDA each year. With COVID19, though, the FDA requires vaccine-specific safety profiles and effectiveness data.

The FDA met in April to discuss this very subject. More challenges were discussed than solutions. But reading between the lines, it was clear that if we get another fall vaccine, it would need to achieve three things:

Improve durability. We need something that lasts at least 6 months to get us through a winter wave.

Retain protection against previous variants of concern. With infection-induced immunity, Omicron does NOT protect well against previous variants of concern. We need to make sure our vaccines do in case a previous variant, like Delta or Beta, take hold again.

Protect against future, unknown variants of concern.

Moderna’s answer
Yesterday, Moderna’s results were released for a booster called mRNA1273.214. This vaccine is 50 micrograms, which is the same dosage as the original booster and half the dosage of the original Moderna series. They tested a bivalent vaccine, which means its formula covers two variants: the original Wuhan virus and Omicron (BA.1). For this clinical trial, 437 people were randomized to get the new vaccine or old vaccine as a second booster. We have a few details (science by press release) on how this trial went:

Side effects were similar to the original booster. The new booster may actually have slightly reduced side effects.

There was an 8-fold increase in neutralizing antibodies (our first line of defense) one month after vaccination.

This was higher than the original booster.

There was a stronger effect among those with previous infection.

The new booster had better protection against all other variants of concern, compared to the original.

We don’t know about durability; we are at the mercy of time. But Moderna said their bivalent Beta-vaccine lasted against Omicron for 6-months+. This probably means the Omicron bivalent vaccine will last just as long.


(Source: Moderna Slides Here)
Unanswered, lingering questions
In all, the new vaccine seems to work great, but we need to see more data than a press release. Pfizer should have a bivalent vaccine coming soon, too. On June 28, the FDA will discuss the new results and overall U.S. strategy for fall. There are some lingering and unanswered questions that I hope are addressed during this meeting:

Booster or series? Moderna’s intent is to treat this as a one-shot seasonal vaccine. However, at the last FDA meeting, it was said that if the vaccine formula changed, it would have to be a whole new series. We need clarification.

Omicron has mutated. This vaccine is made with the first Omicron variant (BA.1). Now we have a BA.4/5 wave in the horizon, which is significantly and meaningfully different from BA.1. How well does the new vaccine work against BA.4/5?

More data. We need to make sure these vaccines also improve secondary defenses like B-cells and T-cells. We’ve seen evidence from monkeys that an Omicron-specific vaccine does not expand the memory of B-cells.

Beta vaccine? Moderna previously released data for a Beta-bivalent vaccine. A side-to-side comparison would be helpful. According to Dr. John Beigal at the NIH, there are really only two antigenic spaces or areas of vulnerability that would allow for another “Omicron-like event”: a virus that is closer to Beta, or a virus that is closer to Delta. Both are very far from Omicron, which perhaps makes an Omicron-specific booster not a slam dunk decision.

Kids. Unless FDA changes the way they evaluate vaccines, kids will never have access to up-to-date boosters. We can’t continue with a process that leaves kids constantly two years behind.

Bigger questions (beyond the FDA) include:

Payment. Congress has not passed COVID19 funding, so we don’t have money to pay for everyone’s new boosters in the U.S. Not everyone would get in line given vaccine hesitancy, but the discrepancy and the implications are important.

Vaccination rate. All of this science is great. But only 48% of people in the U.S. have their original booster. Only 23% of eligible people have their second booster. Why aren’t we leveraging social science as much as bench science to increase effectiveness of vaccine rollouts?

Bottom line
Predicting what happens this fall is challenging. We are trying our darndest to mount a proactive (instead of reactive) response. Given Moderna’s preliminary data, I would expect a bivalent vaccine in fall. Will we have a booster every fall? No idea. It completely depends on how this pandemic progresses.

[jhu72]

Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for the youngest children are now FDA authorized and available. Apparently every state but for Florida will have public health programs for distribution of the shots.

[jhu72]

Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for the youngest children are now FDA authorized and available. Apparently every state but for Florida will have public health programs for distribution of the shots. Florida is not recommending vaccination of the youngest children.

[Jim Malone]

Long COVID Could Be a ‘Mass Deterioration Event’

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ty/661285/

[MDlaxfan76]

Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for the youngest children are now FDA authorized and available. Apparently every state but for Florida will have public health programs for distribution of the shots.

classic.
Must have a brilliant Health Commissioner and Governor who puts people above Party...

[youthathletics]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

[MDlaxfan76]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

I haven't heard that pattern in specific, but certainly plenty who had been boosted once or even twice who nevertheless got infected. None of those were hospitalization cases, varying degrees of discomfort and symptoms. Yuck but bearable.

We've been boosted once, got Omnicron shortly thereafter, so now 5 months ago, so will get 2nd boost prior to travel to Europe end of July.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

My wife picked it up from students. She had the slightest of symptoms. She proactively tested before she visited her mother and was positive. She wouldn’t have known otherwise.

[RedFromMI]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

Two friends from church after taking children/grandchildren to WDW. Got over it in about a week just recently.

[old salt]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

[a fan]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

Nice to hear it was a mild case.

It's red hot out here in Colorado. Everyone at work has at least one family member that's gotten it in the last month.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

Nice to hear it was a mild case.

It's red hot out here in Colorado. Everyone at work has at least one family member that's gotten it in the last month.

The vaccine introduced this fall will cover more variants. We have been lucky. This last variant is not nearly as lethal as Delta was and there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive.”

[JoeMauer89]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

Nice to hear it was a mild case.

It's red hot out here in Colorado. Everyone at work has at least one family member that's gotten it in the last month.

The vaccine introduced this fall will cover more variants. We have been lucky. This last variant is not nearly as lethal as Delta was and there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive.”

"there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive"

Why do you say this? You do not know that is the case. I can tell you one thing, luck has ZERO to do with it. Might be that as more people have been exposed to it, the 2nd/3rd/4th time around the body recognizes it, knows how to deal with it, therefore resulting in much much milder symptoms. I don't think luck has anything to do with it. The virus cannot be ascribed human characteristics, it's like when people say "The virus doesn't care if your tired of it" That's a crock of bullcrap. The virus looks for a host, it's not a sentient being. Just a pet peeve in general, not saying your guilty of doing it. But luck and CV-19 should not be mentioned in the same sentence. They have nothing to do with each other.

Joe

[PizzaSnake]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

Nice to hear it was a mild case.

It's red hot out here in Colorado. Everyone at work has at least one family member that's gotten it in the last month.

The vaccine introduced this fall will cover more variants. We have been lucky. This last variant is not nearly as lethal as Delta was and there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive.”

"there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive"

Why do you say this? You do not know that is the case. I can tell you one thing, luck has ZERO to do with it. Might be that as more people have been exposed to it, the 2nd/3rd/4th time around the body recognizes it, knows how to deal with it, therefore resulting in much much milder symptoms. I don't think luck has anything to do with it. The virus cannot be ascribed human characteristics, it's like when people say "The virus doesn't care if your tired of it" That's a crock of bullcrap. The virus looks for a host, it's not a sentient being. Just a pet peeve in general, not saying your guilty of doing it. But luck and CV-19 should not be mentioned in the same sentence. They have nothing to do with each other.

Joe

The progressively weaker virus trope would be true, IF, more virulent strains killed the host before it could develop high viral load and be spread to others.

The high R0 describes the average number of people infected by a contagious individual. The R0 has gotten progressively higher with each “dominant” strain (that is why they become most prevalent and crowd the others out. The “luck”, thus far, is that none of these have been so different from preceding variants such that they present to the immune system as “novel”. Oh, that and not particularly virulent.

However, the longer one play’s Russian roulette….

[JoeMauer89]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

Nice to hear it was a mild case.

It's red hot out here in Colorado. Everyone at work has at least one family member that's gotten it in the last month.

The vaccine introduced this fall will cover more variants. We have been lucky. This last variant is not nearly as lethal as Delta was and there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive.”

"there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive"

Why do you say this? You do not know that is the case. I can tell you one thing, luck has ZERO to do with it. Might be that as more people have been exposed to it, the 2nd/3rd/4th time around the body recognizes it, knows how to deal with it, therefore resulting in much much milder symptoms. I don't think luck has anything to do with it. The virus cannot be ascribed human characteristics, it's like when people say "The virus doesn't care if your tired of it" That's a crock of bullcrap. The virus looks for a host, it's not a sentient being. Just a pet peeve in general, not saying your guilty of doing it. But luck and CV-19 should not be mentioned in the same sentence. They have nothing to do with each other.

Joe

The progressively weaker virus trope would be true, IF, more virulent strains killed the host before it could develop high viral load and be spread to others.

The high R0 describes the average number of people infected by a contagious individual. The R0 has gotten progressively higher with each “dominant” strain (that is why they become most prevalent and crowd the others out. The “luck”, thus far, is that none of these have been so different from preceding variants such that they present to the immune system as “novel”. Oh, that and not particularly virulent.

However, the longer one play’s Russian roulette….

The one's playing Russian Roulette are who just so were on the same page? The unvaccinated? This goes unsaid in 2022 nearly two and half years into this thing. I'm willing to bet if a particularly virulent strain were to "emerge", it would not have a high R0. I don't consider that "luck", that's science. If there are those that want to mistake "luck" for the actual science involved as to why a particular more virulent strain has yet to emerge, they can keep their heads buried in the sand. Luck is for Vegas, not a respiratory virus.

Joie

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone know if others recently infected that have been vaccinated and boosted?

Two friends meet the criteria above, tested positive very minor if any symptoms until about day 6/7, then migraine/headaches, exhausted and congested. They both have said they had no symptoms days 4,5,6.

my wife & sister picked it up during week visit in Ocean City. Both double vaxxed & double boosted. Same symptoms. At first + test went to urgent care & were Rx'd the Paxlovid therapeutic pills. Mild fatigue lingered a couple weeks, almost gone now.

Nice to hear it was a mild case.

It's red hot out here in Colorado. Everyone at work has at least one family member that's gotten it in the last month.

The vaccine introduced this fall will cover more variants. We have been lucky. This last variant is not nearly as lethal as Delta was and there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive.”

"there is no such thing as “the virus will get weaker and weaker in order to survive"

Why do you say this? You do not know that is the case. I can tell you one thing, luck has ZERO to do with it. Might be that as more people have been exposed to it, the 2nd/3rd/4th time around the body recognizes it, knows how to deal with it, therefore resulting in much much milder symptoms. I don't think luck has anything to do with it. The virus cannot be ascribed human characteristics, it's like when people say "The virus doesn't care if your tired of it" That's a crock of bullcrap. The virus looks for a host, it's not a sentient being. Just a pet peeve in general, not saying your guilty of doing it. But luck and CV-19 should not be mentioned in the same sentence. They have nothing to do with each other.

Joe

Joe, you are right. It’s not luck…it’s science. Sentient is a good word.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41576-018-0055-5

And a little bit of luck…..had this thing come down the pipe 10 years ago, we would have been in trouble Jo Jo.