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[wgdsr]

Was having some fun with Quint and the Ivy/ACC ratings this weekend - Quint's bias as its absolute best or worst!

UVA – Quint 3, RPI 7
ND – Quint 4, RPI 13
Duke – Quint 5, RPI 10
Princeton – Quint 6, RPI 2
Yale – Quint 7, RPI 4
Penn – Quint 12, RPI 5

Never has his bias been worse than this year, when the Ivies are playing well. What a torture this season must be to our boy Quint!

he probably steals most of his stuff from laxnumbers.

https://www.laxnumbers.com/ratings.php?y=2022&v=401

did the committee give another top 10? i never saw a link to the first one.

[wgdsr]

RU upsets MD in the BIG final ( MD still gets the 1 seed ) and Brown wins the ILT
1-MD
2-GT
3-RU
4-BROWN

If Rutgers were to upset Md in the B1G tourney, they are the number 2 seed. That would be by far the biggest win of the year of any program. It wouldn't matter what happens in the Big East or Ivy.

There is a lot of lacrosse to play prior to that happening though.

I haven't run the numbers (ask Lacrosse Reference for that) but I don't think that if RU (currently 6 RPI) wins the B1G tournament they would be able to pass an IL Champ Princeton in RPI. Maybe not even a Big East champ GU. It would require a deviation from the usual formula to highly value "big wins". However, even in this scenario, the usual MO for the committee is to consider "big wins" as top 5 RPI wins. They don't give any specific value to beating #1, or "biggest win of the year" -- which is not to say they couldn't ... they can use any criteria they want.

crazy next 2 weeks. if ru loses their semi, i wonder if they make the rpi cutline? i'd think they probably would if it's vs. tosu.

[DU-fan]

RU upsets MD in the BIG final ( MD still gets the 1 seed ) and Brown wins the ILT
1-MD
2-GT
3-RU
4-BROWN

I love your optimism. I hope you are not betting money unless you have amazing odds.

[GSP]

Was having some fun with Quint and the Ivy/ACC ratings this weekend - Quint's bias as its absolute best or worst!

UVA – Quint 3, RPI 7
ND – Quint 4, RPI 13
Duke – Quint 5, RPI 10
Princeton – Quint 6, RPI 2
Yale – Quint 7, RPI 4
Penn – Quint 12, RPI 5

Never has his bias been worse than this year, when the Ivies are playing well. What a torture this season must be to our boy Quint!

he probably steals most of his stuff from laxnumbers.

https://www.laxnumbers.com/ratings.php?y=2022&v=401

did the committee give another top 10? i never saw a link to the first one.

I would be very careful in accusing Quint or anyone else of bias, in that, in a mere 5 weeks, the actual "truth" will be determined. RPI is a notoriously unreliable measuring device. Talk is exceedingly cheap and accusations based upon opinion rather than evidence are the province of children.
Vegas makes a very good living separating fact from expert opinions. College lacrosse is a game whose limited number of regular season games along with the white noise generated by the required scheduling of conference opponents makes accurate predictions of future outcomes extremely unreliable.
That's why they play the games. The truth will out.

[nms]

Was having some fun with Quint and the Ivy/ACC ratings this weekend - Quint's bias as its absolute best or worst!

UVA – Quint 3, RPI 7
ND – Quint 4, RPI 13
Duke – Quint 5, RPI 10
Princeton – Quint 6, RPI 2
Yale – Quint 7, RPI 4
Penn – Quint 12, RPI 5

Never has his bias been worse than this year, when the Ivies are playing well. What a torture this season must be to our boy Quint!

he probably steals most of his stuff from laxnumbers.

https://www.laxnumbers.com/ratings.php?y=2022&v=401

did the committee give another top 10? i never saw a link to the first one.

I would be very careful in accusing Quint or anyone else of bias, in that, in a mere 5 weeks, the actual "truth" will be determined. RPI is a notoriously unreliable measuring device. Talk is exceedingly cheap and accusations based upon opinion rather than evidence are the province of children.
Vegas makes a very good living separating fact from expert opinions. College lacrosse is a game whose limited number of regular season games along with the white noise generated by the required scheduling of conference opponents makes accurate predictions of future outcomes extremely unreliable.
That's why they play the games. The truth will out.

After several years of strict adherence to RPI, which benefited the ACC, any deviation away from that which would benefit the ACC is evidence of bias, and the only "truth" that would be revealed is that the selection committee shares the same bias as Quint.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Was having some fun with Quint and the Ivy/ACC ratings this weekend - Quint's bias as its absolute best or worst!

UVA – Quint 3, RPI 7
ND – Quint 4, RPI 13
Duke – Quint 5, RPI 10
Princeton – Quint 6, RPI 2
Yale – Quint 7, RPI 4
Penn – Quint 12, RPI 5

Never has his bias been worse than this year, when the Ivies are playing well. What a torture this season must be to our boy Quint!

he probably steals most of his stuff from laxnumbers.

https://www.laxnumbers.com/ratings.php?y=2022&v=401

did the committee give another top 10? i never saw a link to the first one.

I would be very careful in accusing Quint or anyone else of bias, in that, in a mere 5 weeks, the actual "truth" will be determined. RPI is a notoriously unreliable measuring device. Talk is exceedingly cheap and accusations based upon opinion rather than evidence are the province of children.
Vegas makes a very good living separating fact from expert opinions. College lacrosse is a game whose limited number of regular season games along with the white noise generated by the required scheduling of conference opponents makes accurate predictions of future outcomes extremely unreliable.
That's why they play the games. The truth will out.

After several years of strict adherence to RPI, which benefited the ACC, any deviation away from that which would benefit the ACC is evidence of bias, and the only "truth" that would be revealed is that the selection committee shares the same bias as Quint.

Another poster believes it’s just evidence that the ACC is just always better.

[wgdsr]

Was having some fun with Quint and the Ivy/ACC ratings this weekend - Quint's bias as its absolute best or worst!

UVA – Quint 3, RPI 7
ND – Quint 4, RPI 13
Duke – Quint 5, RPI 10
Princeton – Quint 6, RPI 2
Yale – Quint 7, RPI 4
Penn – Quint 12, RPI 5

Never has his bias been worse than this year, when the Ivies are playing well. What a torture this season must be to our boy Quint!

he probably steals most of his stuff from laxnumbers.

https://www.laxnumbers.com/ratings.php?y=2022&v=401

did the committee give another top 10? i never saw a link to the first one.

I would be very careful in accusing Quint or anyone else of bias, in that, in a mere 5 weeks, the actual "truth" will be determined. RPI is a notoriously unreliable measuring device. Talk is exceedingly cheap and accusations based upon opinion rather than evidence are the province of children.
Vegas makes a very good living separating fact from expert opinions. College lacrosse is a game whose limited number of regular season games along with the white noise generated by the required scheduling of conference opponents makes accurate predictions of future outcomes extremely unreliable.
That's why they play the games. The truth will out.

After several years of strict adherence to RPI, which benefited the ACC, any deviation away from that which would benefit the ACC is evidence of bias, and the only "truth" that would be revealed is that the selection committee shares the same bias as Quint.

the flipside is also "true". if it's straight rpi, no one from the ivy will be allowed to claim acc bias ever again.

[ICGrad]

the flipside is also "true". if it's straight rpi, no one from the ivy will be allowed to claim acc bias ever again.

It might be that the committee has little choice.

In the (admittedly not entirely likely, but certainly possible) scenario that Cornell and Harvard win this weekend, then the two edge cases have played themselves into the ILT and would be hovering right around/better than Duke and ND. I'm not sure what the ILT results do to either team's RPI, but in that scenario, the committee will be hard pressed to leave out a Cornell team that beat both Princeton (a lock) and Yale (a near-lock) and that made it to the ILT over both of those teams; same for Harvard.

I'd love to see the committee sweat that one out.

That said, a more likely scenario is that Cornell and/or Harvard loses, and whichever (or both) does is likely out.

[joewillie78]

the flipside is also "true". if it's straight rpi, no one from the ivy will be allowed to claim acc bias ever again.

It might be that the committee has little choice.

In the (admittedly not entirely likely, but certainly possible) scenario that Cornell and Harvard win this weekend, then the two edge cases have played themselves into the ILT and would be hovering right around/better than Duke and ND. I'm not sure what the ILT results do to either team's RPI, but in that scenario, the committee will be hard pressed to leave out a Cornell team that beat both Princeton (a lock) and Yale (a near-lock) and that made it to the ILT over both of those teams; same for Harvard.

I'd love to see the committee sweat that one out.

That said, a more likely scenario is that Cornell and/or Harvard loses, and whichever (or both) does is likely out.

You know the committee is absolutely praying that BOTH Cornell and Harvard lose and then they can easily give their 4 slots to Penn, Yale, Brown and Princeton.

If the opposite occurs but both Cornell and Harvard LOSE in the ILT, then the committee would be forced to take 4 teams of which 2 didn't even make the ILT over 2 teams that did.

Look, we Cornell fans are used to getting screwed by the committee, so let's just hope that Princeton kicks our butt Saturday, and then we can all go to the Fall Creek House, and drown our sorrows while toasting the committee for sticking it to us again, all the while wondering why we ever thought the selection process might by some miracle be fair to the Ivy League.
Sorry about my Cynicism.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

[10stone5]

the flipside is also "true". if it's straight rpi, no one from the ivy will be allowed to claim acc bias ever again.

It might be that the committee has little choice.

In the (admittedly not entirely likely, but certainly possible) scenario that Cornell and Harvard win this weekend, then the two edge cases have played themselves into the ILT and would be hovering right around/better than Duke and ND. I'm not sure what the ILT results do to either team's RPI, but in that scenario, the committee will be hard pressed to leave out a Cornell team that beat both Princeton (a lock) and Yale (a near-lock) and that made it to the ILT over both of those teams; same for Harvard.

I'd love to see the committee sweat that one out.

That said, a more likely scenario is that Cornell and/or Harvard loses, and whichever (or both) does is likely out.

You know the committee is absolutely praying that BOTH Cornell and Harvard lose and then they can easily give their 4 slots to Penn, Yale, Brown and Princeton.

If the opposite occurs but both Cornell and Harvard LOSE in the ILT, then the committee would be forced to take 4 teams of which 2 didn't even make the ILT over 2 teams that did.

Look, we Cornell fans are used to getting screwed by the committee, so let's just hope that Princeton kicks our butt Saturday, and then we can all go to the Fall Creek House, and drown our sorrows while toasting the committee for sticking it to us again, all the while wondering why we ever thought the selection process might by some miracle be fair to the Ivy League.
Sorry about my Cynicism.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

I just can’t see why it can’t be 6 Ivy league teams.

Then that’s 5 At Large.
And Rutgers with an At Large.
And UVA with an At large.
Lastly, one of ND, OSU, Duke as last in.

[masondixonlax]

the flipside is also "true". if it's straight rpi, no one from the ivy will be allowed to claim acc bias ever again.

It might be that the committee has little choice.

In the (admittedly not entirely likely, but certainly possible) scenario that Cornell and Harvard win this weekend, then the two edge cases have played themselves into the ILT and would be hovering right around/better than Duke and ND. I'm not sure what the ILT results do to either team's RPI, but in that scenario, the committee will be hard pressed to leave out a Cornell team that beat both Princeton (a lock) and Yale (a near-lock) and that made it to the ILT over both of those teams; same for Harvard.

I'd love to see the committee sweat that one out.

That said, a more likely scenario is that Cornell and/or Harvard loses, and whichever (or both) does is likely out.

You know the committee is absolutely praying that BOTH Cornell and Harvard lose and then they can easily give their 4 slots to Penn, Yale, Brown and Princeton.

If the opposite occurs but both Cornell and Harvard LOSE in the ILT, then the committee would be forced to take 4 teams of which 2 didn't even make the ILT over 2 teams that did.

Look, we Cornell fans are used to getting screwed by the committee, so let's just hope that Princeton kicks our butt Saturday, and then we can all go to the Fall Creek House, and drown our sorrows while toasting the committee for sticking it to us again, all the while wondering why we ever thought the selection process might by some miracle be fair to the Ivy League.
Sorry about my Cynicism.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

I just can’t see why it can’t be 6 Ivy league teams.

Then that’s 5 At Large.
And Rutgers with an At Large.
And UVA with an At large.
Lastly, one of ND, OSU, Duke as last in.

+1 - winner of ND/Duke game gets in

[suitcase10]

If Ohio st beats Rutgers in BiG10 tourney , their resume will be better than / as good as Rutgers.

[10stone5]

the flipside is also "true". if it's straight rpi, no one from the ivy will be allowed to claim acc bias ever again.

It might be that the committee has little choice.

In the (admittedly not entirely likely, but certainly possible) scenario that Cornell and Harvard win this weekend, then the two edge cases have played themselves into the ILT and would be hovering right around/better than Duke and ND. I'm not sure what the ILT results do to either team's RPI, but in that scenario, the committee will be hard pressed to leave out a Cornell team that beat both Princeton (a lock) and Yale (a near-lock) and that made it to the ILT over both of those teams; same for Harvard.

I'd love to see the committee sweat that one out.

That said, a more likely scenario is that Cornell and/or Harvard loses, and whichever (or both) does is likely out.

You know the committee is absolutely praying that BOTH Cornell and Harvard lose and then they can easily give their 4 slots to Penn, Yale, Brown and Princeton.

If the opposite occurs but both Cornell and Harvard LOSE in the ILT, then the committee would be forced to take 4 teams of which 2 didn't even make the ILT over 2 teams that did.

Look, we Cornell fans are used to getting screwed by the committee, so let's just hope that Princeton kicks our butt Saturday, and then we can all go to the Fall Creek House, and drown our sorrows while toasting the committee for sticking it to us again, all the while wondering why we ever thought the selection process might by some miracle be fair to the Ivy League.
Sorry about my Cynicism.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

I just can’t see why it can’t be 6 Ivy league teams.

Then that’s 5 At Large.
And Rutgers with an At Large.
And UVA with an At large.
Lastly, one of ND, OSU, Duke as last in.

+1 - winner of ND/Duke game gets in

https://lacrossebucket.com/2022/04/26/2 ... ology-5-0/

Lacrosse Bucket has in their bracket
-6 Ivy teams
-3 B1Gs
-1ACC team, just UVA
-4 of the Ivy teams seeded
-UVA as a number 7

[suitcase10]

Is Ohio St the only top 20 win for Rutgers ?

[10stone5]

Rutgers is a lock in,
with a mid seeding in the NCAAs.

[suitcase10]

Doesn’t seem like they should be

[masondixonlax]

Doesn’t seem like they should be

+1. If Ohio state beats them in B1G playoffs then Ohio state > Rutgers

[10stone5]

Doesn’t seem like they should be

+1. If Ohio state beats them in B1G playoffs then Ohio state > Rutgers

Rutgers is a lock into the NCAAs,

if OSU beats them,
then OSU would knock out one the Ivy or ACC teams.

[suitcase10]

Is there a metric where they measure the cumulative quality of a teams wins? I see a number of teams with a resume of worthless wins.

[ICGrad]

Is there a metric where they measure the cumulative quality of a teams wins? I see a number of teams with a resume of worthless wins.

I believe the Quality Win Factor provides this. See the last two columns here:

http://college.laxpower2.com/menx/rating01x.php