Is America a racist nation?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I want to thank Old Salt for bringing up this topic. I never would have taken the time to look into it on my own without his initial post on the topic. I learned a couple of things I didn’t know, primarily because I didn’t care.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/opini ... -as-racist

That's a pretty good summary of my 'take' on it, based on all the reading I'd previously done.

...here's is Zinn's tormentor in the link you posted. He is our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific.
Today's woke revisionists are highjacking Zinn & other critics & adding in racism.

Zinn just blithely dismisses aii the Ultra intercepts & Magic analyses which were unclassified & unredacted just prior to 1995.

Richard B Frank is a serious objective historian & a leading expert on this subject.
Zinn was a crank who was scarred for life by his experience as a bombardier in the strategic bombing of Europe. He researched the carnage resulting from the raids in which he participated. His guilt & self-loathing compromised his objectivity. Yes, the carnage of strategic bombing in WW II on all fronts was horrendous. We appear to have learned from it. There are also examples of horrendous racism in our history, but neither is necessarily determinative in strategic military decisions like whether or not (& when) to drop the Bomb on Japan.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/week ... d-the-bomb
https://www.usni.org/people/richard-b-frank
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-B.-Frank ... scns_share

Who signed his paychecks?

[MDlaxfan76]

I want to thank Old Salt for bringing up this topic. I never would have taken the time to look into it on my own without his initial post on the topic. I learned a couple of things I didn’t know, primarily because I didn’t care.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/opini ... -as-racist

That's a pretty good summary of my 'take' on it, based on all the reading I'd previously done.

...here's is Zinn's tormentor in the link you posted. He is our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific.
Today's woke revisionists are highjacking Zinn & other critics & adding in racism.

Zinn just blithely dismisses aii the Ultra intercepts & Magic analyses which were unclassified & unredacted just prior to 1995.

Richard B Frank is a serious objective historian & a leading expert on this subject.
Zinn was a crank who was scarred for life by his experience as a bombardier in the strategic bombing of Europe. He researched the carnage resulting from the raids in which he participated. His guilt & self-loathing compromised his objectivity. Yes, the carnage of strategic bombing in WW II on all fronts was horrendous. We appear to have learned from it. There are also examples of horrendous racism in our history, but neither is necessarily determinative in strategic military decisions like whether or not (& when) to drop the Bomb on Japan.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/week ... d-the-bomb
https://www.usni.org/people/richard-b-frank
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-B.-Frank ... scns_share

Who signed his paychecks?

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

[old salt]

I want to thank Old Salt for bringing up this topic. I never would have taken the time to look into it on my own without his initial post on the topic. I learned a couple of things I didn’t know, primarily because I didn’t care.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/opini ... -as-racist

That's a pretty good summary of my 'take' on it, based on all the reading I'd previously done.

...here's is Zinn's tormentor in the link you posted. He is our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific.
Today's woke revisionists are highjacking Zinn & other critics & adding in racism.

Zinn just blithely dismisses aii the Ultra intercepts & Magic analyses which were unclassified & unredacted just prior to 1995.

Richard B Frank is a serious objective historian & a leading expert on this subject.
Zinn was a crank who was scarred for life by his experience as a bombardier in the strategic bombing of Europe. He researched the carnage resulting from the raids in which he participated. His guilt & self-loathing compromised his objectivity. Yes, the carnage of strategic bombing in WW II on all fronts was horrendous. We appear to have learned from it. There are also examples of horrendous racism in our history, but neither is necessarily determinative in strategic military decisions like whether or not (& when) to drop the Bomb on Japan.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/week ... d-the-bomb
https://www.usni.org/people/richard-b-frank
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-B.-Frank ... scns_share

Who signed his paychecks?

His publishers, ...& the occasional free meal at the Truman Library.

a good listen

[old salt]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

[MDlaxfan76]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

[old salt]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I want to thank Old Salt for bringing up this topic. I never would have taken the time to look into it on my own without his initial post on the topic. I learned a couple of things I didn’t know, primarily because I didn’t care.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/opini ... -as-racist

That's a pretty good summary of my 'take' on it, based on all the reading I'd previously done.

...here's is Zinn's tormentor in the link you posted. He is our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific.
Today's woke revisionists are highjacking Zinn & other critics & adding in racism.

Zinn just blithely dismisses aii the Ultra intercepts & Magic analyses which were unclassified & unredacted just prior to 1995.

Richard B Frank is a serious objective historian & a leading expert on this subject.
Zinn was a crank who was scarred for life by his experience as a bombardier in the strategic bombing of Europe. He researched the carnage resulting from the raids in which he participated. His guilt & self-loathing compromised his objectivity. Yes, the carnage of strategic bombing in WW II on all fronts was horrendous. We appear to have learned from it. There are also examples of horrendous racism in our history, but neither is necessarily determinative in strategic military decisions like whether or not (& when) to drop the Bomb on Japan.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/week ... d-the-bomb
https://www.usni.org/people/richard-b-frank
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-B.-Frank ... scns_share

Who signed his paychecks?

His publishers, ...& the occasional free meal at the Truman Library.

a good listen

[MDlaxfan76]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

[cradleandshoot]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

I don't think Cornelius Ryan ever claimed to be a WW2 expert. His meticulous research and interviewing the people on both sides proved him to be an expert. My question, how do you define an expert? The proof as proved by Ryan is how much of your heart and soul you invest in your research. The Longest Day is far and away the best book ever written about D day.

[MDlaxfan76]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

I don't think Cornelius Ryan ever claimed to be a WW2 expert. His meticulous research and interviewing the people on both sides proved him to be an expert. My question, how do you define an expert? The proof as proved by Ryan is how much of your heart and soul you invest in your research. The Longest Day is far and away the best book ever written about D day.

Ya und?
Ryan wrote some terrific books.

Not part of this discussion, right?

[Kismet]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

[cradleandshoot]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

I don't think Cornelius Ryan ever claimed to be a WW2 expert. His meticulous research and interviewing the people on both sides proved him to be an expert. My question, how do you define an expert? The proof as proved by Ryan is how much of your heart and soul you invest in your research. The Longest Day is far and away the best book ever written about D day.

Ya und?
Ryan wrote some terrific books.

Not part of this discussion, right?

I don't know what your saying. I understand the topic of discussion to be trying to define who is or is not a WW2 expert. Ryan not only wrote some terrific books. He was the consumate expert on WW2 in the European Theatre. His focus may have been narrow. His extensive interviews of participants on both sides tells the story from the perspective of both sides.

[cradleandshoot]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought. If you never witnessed in horror a Japanese soldier running out of a cave on fire from a marine flame thrower.. What the heck could any author or historian know or be able to relate to?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought.

Not necessarily.

[Kismet]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought.

Actually Frank is a USMC Vietnam vet. Certainly any of those marines who wrote a book about their exploits would be credible.
Cornelius Ryan is a fine author. My favorite work of his is A Bridge Too Far. The Longest Day and The Last Battle were also well done and good reads.

[cradleandshoot]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought.

Not necessarily.

If you were never shot at, bombed, mortared or survived a bonsai attack ...what personal knowledge do you bring to the discussion?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought.

Not necessarily.

If you were never shot at, bombed, mortared or survived a bonsai attack ...what personal knowledge do you bring to the discussion?

How many government suits sending down the orders were shot at? I believe some guys taking bullets wondered why they were doing what they were doing…..the guy on an assembly line doesn’t always know the strategic objectives made by senior management. They often just do what they are told. Some know more, some don’t.

[MDlaxfan76]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Certainly more than me!

But I'm not trashing him. I simply took issue with Salty's proclamation as to his being the "foremost" such on the topic in discussion, which I would suggest simply isn't true. He's one historian among many, who disagree with one another about this very specific matter, having studied the topic closely. He has a particular POV.

I did take issue with the dismissal of Zinn and so many others who reach quite different conclusions.

[cradleandshoot]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought.

Actually Frank is a USMC Vietnam vet. Certainly any of those marines who wrote a book about their exploits would be credible.
Cornelius Ryan is a fine author. My favorite work of his is A Bridge Too Far. The Longest Day and The Last Battle were also well done and good reads.

I agree with you about Ryan's books. I wish more people had read The Last Battle. It was a painful read and not very flattering to the Soviet army who exacted their revenge on many German women.

[MDlaxfan76]

I'll bite...exactly who claims Frank "our foremost living military historian on the War in the Pacific."???

His wikipedia entry is certainly unimpressive, so who makes this claim?

I googled "foremost historians of World War II" and expected to at least find him on this very long list, but not there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... rld_War_II

But hey, he's certainly prominent enough to have received this response from Zinn, who certainly doesn't ignore post 1995 info. https://www.howardzinn.org/downfall/

US Naval Institute, the Truman Library, & the USMC are good enough for me.
He specializes in the Asia-Pacific War

Instead of reposting the same thin Zinn nothingburger, over & over, listen to Frank's talk at the Truman Library posted above.

His latest appearance at the National WW II Museum.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469611-1/tower-skulls

whitewash much?

I didn't see Zinn on your wikilist.

That's right, he didn't claim to be a specialist in WWII.

The idea here that credible and well regarded historical authors like Richard Frank get thrown under the bus here because they express opinions and write about events in their area of specialty or that they didn't make some wiki list is ludicrous on its face. I have read most of Mr. Frank's books about the Pacific War and they have all been insightful, outstanding and well-researched. Fine, if you disagree with his take on this topic but no need to trash him for being uninformed. He likely knows mega more about this topic than anyone here.

Would that include any surviving marines that fought on Iwo Jima and Okinawa? They may not have been a part of the big picture. They damn sure are entitled to their opinion on how the war in the Pacific was fought.

Not necessarily.

If you were never shot at, bombed, mortared or survived a bonsai attack ...what personal knowledge do you bring to the discussion?

Or had a nuclear bomb dropped on you?