January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:00 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:25 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:03 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:06 pm Do I come across as a fan of the Saudi ruling family???

Again, I think you are mixing up "support" with "domination"; these are not the same thing.
Please stop quoting the troll. You are shouting into the wind and giving credence to crazy.

The irony is despite his playing of devil’s advocate online, there is no difference between Brookie, George Bush or an opinionated woman in the Taliban’s eyes.

They all meet the same fate if found in Afghanistan.
Wrong! Dudes > women in their eyes
Not American Dudes.
Crazy story from a buddy who was over there years ago. He's on security detail to oversee a delivery of soap and hygiene products to those in need, otherwise the bad guys would hijack the trucks. Delivery makes it to the good people, and only a day or two later, most all of it has been stolen and the people that stole it ended up at the local hospitals with rashes all over buttholes from doing each other. He said, it is no wonder they are so angry all the time. :lol:
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:46 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:00 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:25 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:03 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:06 pm Do I come across as a fan of the Saudi ruling family???

Again, I think you are mixing up "support" with "domination"; these are not the same thing.
Please stop quoting the troll. You are shouting into the wind and giving credence to crazy.

The irony is despite his playing of devil’s advocate online, there is no difference between Brookie, George Bush or an opinionated woman in the Taliban’s eyes.

They all meet the same fate if found in Afghanistan.
Wrong! Dudes > women in their eyes
Not American Dudes.
Crazy story from a buddy who was over there years ago. He's on security detail to oversee a delivery of soap and hygiene products to those in need, otherwise the bad guys would hijack the trucks. Delivery makes it to the good people, and only a day or two later, most all of it has been stolen and the people that stole it ended up at the local hospitals with rashes all over buttholes from doing each other. He said, it is no wonder they are so angry all the time. :lol:
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Glad to see these cops act on their own behalf, since r's hate the police

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/ ... e/full.pdf
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Laurence Tribe: If Garland doesn't prosecute Trump, the rule of law is "out the window"
We need to begin with the fundamental precept that not all crimes are created equal. Those crimes — regardless of who allegedly commits them — whose very aim is to overturn a fair election whereby our tradition of peaceful, lawful succession from one administration to the next takes place — a tradition begun by George Washington, continued by John Adams, and preserved by every president since except Donald Trump — are impossible to tolerate if we are to survive as a constitutional republic. …

Trump's relentlessness has laid bare the defects in many of those accountability mechanisms. Now Garland stands as the final line of defense for our constitutional democracy. No prior attorney general has confronted so daunting a challenge. For what might be the first time in his life and what will surely be the last, Garland could hold the future of the last best hope on earth in his hands.
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Another interesting take

https://www.justsecurity.org/78035/why- ... -backfire/

Why a Trump Lawsuit to “Protect” Executive Privilege Could Backfire - Inviting the DC court to consider whether the crime-fraud exception applies.

How appropriate would it be for Orange Duce to eff himself in the end. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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CU88 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:19 pm Glad to see these cops act on their own behalf, since r's hate the police

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/ ... e/full.pdf
Legal folks: what do you think of this angle on KKK Act?
Certainly seems interesting.
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Hmm, McCarthy running scared?

'Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday threatened to use a future GOP majority to punish companies that comply with the House’s Jan. 6 investigators, warning that “a Republican majority will not forget.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/3 ... sts-508166
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:18 pm Hmm, McCarthy running scared?

'Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday threatened to use a future GOP majority to punish companies that comply with the House’s Jan. 6 investigators, warning that “a Republican majority will not forget.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/3 ... sts-508166
Certainly does sound like panic.
Wonder whether corporate America will "not forget" such a threat?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:29 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:18 pm Hmm, McCarthy running scared?

'Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday threatened to use a future GOP majority to punish companies that comply with the House’s Jan. 6 investigators, warning that “a Republican majority will not forget.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/3 ... sts-508166
Certainly does sound like panic.
Wonder whether corporate America will "not forget" such a threat?
Nah, they're soulless wh^res. Observe how fast their civic piety faded after January 6.Unfettered capitalism, or our current approximation, is inimical towards democracy.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:32 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:29 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:18 pm Hmm, McCarthy running scared?

'Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday threatened to use a future GOP majority to punish companies that comply with the House’s Jan. 6 investigators, warning that “a Republican majority will not forget.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/3 ... sts-508166
Certainly does sound like panic.
Wonder whether corporate America will "not forget" such a threat?
Nah, they're soulless wh^res. Observe how fast their civic piety faded after January 6.Unfettered capitalism, or our current approximation, is inimical towards democracy.
mmm, keep hope alive.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:29 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:18 pm Hmm, McCarthy running scared?

'Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday threatened to use a future GOP majority to punish companies that comply with the House’s Jan. 6 investigators, warning that “a Republican majority will not forget.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/3 ... sts-508166
Certainly does sound like panic.
Wonder whether corporate America will "not forget" such a threat?
Panic and a conspiracy to obstruct the Committee's process? 18 USC Section 1505:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both."

But that sort of stuff is OK if you're Mike Flynn or Kevin or Marjorie.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/nyre ... e=Homepage

"The mysterious disappearance of the lawyer John Pierce began last Tuesday, prosecutors say, when he missed a hearing for one of the many cases where he is representing a defendant in the Capitol riot investigation. The young associate who took his place said that Mr. Pierce had a “conflict.” At the time, no one seemed to give it much mind.

But in the days that followed, Mr. Pierce — who is defending more cases connected to the riot than any other lawyer — missed additional hearings and the reasons for his absence started changing.

On Wednesday, his associate told a judge in one case that Mr. Pierce had gotten Covid-19 and was in the hospital on a ventilator — but only after telling a prosecutor in another case that Mr. Pierce had been in a car accident. That same evening, a different associate told a reporter that Mr. Pierce had in fact been hospitalized, but was getting care for “dehydration and exhaustion.”

Finally, on Monday — after Mr. Pierce had still failed to emerge — the government got involved. Federal prosecutors issued letters to several judges in 17 Capitol riot cases, informing them that no one in the Justice Department had heard from Mr. Pierce in a week and that “multiple” phone numbers for his law firm appeared to have been disconnected.

His criminal cases had come to a “standstill,” the prosecutors said, endangering the rights of his clients. If Mr. Pierce did not surface soon, they added, something — though it was not clear what — would have to be done.

The New York Times tried to reach Mr. Pierce several times by text and phone in recent days, but he did not respond.

Mr. Pierce’s unexplained absence was only the latest twist in his outsized role in defending those accused of participating in the Capitol attack. His clients — among them members of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers militia — have stood out not only for their number, but also for the scorched-earth battle that he has vowed to wage on their behalf.

A self-described pro-Trump populist, Mr. Pierce has promised, for example, to force the government to give him video footage of the Capitol for several days before and after Jan. 6, and has said he will demand information about every police officer working at the building that day. He has also vowed to subpoena hostile witnesses like Speaker Nancy Pelosi, ostensibly to learn what she may have known about security at the Capitol before the attack.

Without citing evidence, Mr. Pierce has said he intends to implicate the F.B.I. and the intelligence community by showing that the riot was something like a grand act of entrapment or an inside job. He has often talked about his cases with a conspiratorial zeal, painting himself as something like a lonely legal warrior out to save his clients from an overreaching government.

“I’m like Gerard Butler in ‘300,’” Mr. Pierce said in an interview before dropping out of sight, comparing himself to the action star who played a Spartan king. “I’m in the hot gates at Thermopylae, holding the pass against the million-man Persian army.”

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While the government has not yet weighed in on the merits on his claims, prosecutors did express concern in their letters filed on Monday about the young associate, Ryan Joseph Marshall, who has been standing in for Mr. Pierce at the hearings he has missed.

For one thing, Mr. Marshall is not a licensed lawyer, prosecutors said, and has taken actions on behalf of clients “that he is not permitted” to take. Moreover, they went on, it remains unclear if and when Mr. Marshall will be able to get his law license given that he is under indictment in two criminal cases accusing him of corruption, theft and fraud in Pennsylvania.

Mr. Pierce’s situation is not his first encounter with personal and professional setbacks. Last year, his law firm nearly collapsed in a swirl of debts and resignations. Then his most prominent client, Kyle Rittenhouse, the young man charged with murder at a racial justice protest in Wisconsin last year, fired him in a highly public spat that included allegations that a charity arranged for the defense had engaged in financial improprieties.

His work in the Capitol cases began just after the attack when he took several members of the far-right nationalist group the Proud Boys as clients. He has also been hired by L. Brent Bozell IV, the son of a prominent conservative commentator, as well as by a Florida pastor and a Minnesota pub worker.

In recent weeks, however, at least two clients have fired Mr. Pierce, complaining that he seemed unresponsive and appeared at times to be unversed in the details of their cases. Last week, the wife of yet another client, Kenneth Harrelson, a member of the Oath Keepers from Florida, sent a letter to her friends and associates, complaining that her husband was having “issues” getting Mr. Pierce “to do his job.”

Such complaints have come atop concerns that the sheer number of Mr. Pierce’s clients has exposed him to accusations of conflict of interest. He is, for example, representing both James Cusick Jr., the Florida pastor, and Mr. Cusick’s son Casey, who are charged with breaching the Capitol with another of his clients, David J. Lesperance, a member of the Cusicks’ church.

In a separate case, Mr. Pierce has been hired by another father-and-son pair, Kevin and Nathaniel Tuck, two former Florida police officers who have been charged in an indictment with a Florida Proud Boy he also represents.

Almost eight months after a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol, two separate processes have been taking place in Washington. In one, the Justice Department has been filing charges resulting in nearly 600 criminal cases that have only begun to delve into the violence of Jan. 6. In another, conservatives have been waging a war of narratives, playing down the attack as the work of mere tourists or calling it a false-flag operation by the F.B.I.

Mr. Pierce has placed himself at the nexus of these efforts. While he has filed motions and — before his absence — appeared at hearings like any other lawyer, he has also maintained a steady presence on social media and right-wing media outlets, questioning the “Stasi-like tactics” of the F.B.I., teasing purported revelations about the fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt inside the Capitol and attacking the investigation as political persecution.

Perhaps the best example of this is his plan to raise a so-called public authority defense for some of his clients, arguing that they cannot be held accountable for the Capitol attack because they were following official U.S. policy.

But Mr. Pierce will most likely not point to the role that former President Donald J. Trump had in whipping up supporters to storm the building. Instead, he has said that he believes that F.B.I. operatives and intelligence personnel, working undercover, incited the crowd to violence. And he has urged other defense lawyers to help him find proof.

All of that, of course, can only come to pass if he returns to court — and the government seems worried that might never happen.

“Unfortunately, it seems that Mr. Pierce may be hospitalized and unable to communicate,” prosecutors wrote on Monday, “and it is unclear when Mr. Pierce will recover.”
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Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:07 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:29 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:18 pm Hmm, McCarthy running scared?

'Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Tuesday threatened to use a future GOP majority to punish companies that comply with the House’s Jan. 6 investigators, warning that “a Republican majority will not forget.”'

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/3 ... sts-508166
Certainly does sound like panic.
Wonder whether corporate America will "not forget" such a threat?
Panic and a conspiracy to obstruct the Committee's process? 18 USC Section 1505:

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both."

But that sort of stuff is OK if you're Mike Flynn or Kevin or Marjorie.
That does seem rather clear... ;)
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:41 am
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:41 am Crazy story seacoaster....anyone know if the Clinton's were seen with him? ;)
Agreed; really strange. More likely than the Clintons (ho ho ho), the guy has had some sort of nervous breakdown because his client pool is f*cking crazy, anti-democratic thugs who follow blindly the messaging of a Moron. Just a guess.
Well, sounds like he was quite the looney tunes himself...wonder whether he stole money from these defendants, like Rittenhouse, and that was getting close to blowing up? Or maybe he had a glimpse of the reality that the Ponzi-like web of clients and claims (FBI etc) were ultimately going to all come tumbling down upon him and that end was nearing...pressure ultimately broke him?

After all, he had rolled up all these clients by making the most extreme and flamboyant defense claims, piling up the defendants, all depending upon his legal strategy actually having some tangible basis other than notoriety (but notoriety was the only point, he needed the retainers simply to stay afloat)...those who signed on with him, retainers and legal defense funds, likely actually bought into the extreme claims and wanted the fight...but it never had any merit...and now that they actually have to go to court, it's also possible that some of the clients and/or big legal defense funders want to see the actual goods...and he ain't got'em. Breakdown or claimed breakdown.

the assistant, Marshall, sounds like a trip too.
Or....he was hired by the Feds ( on the down low of course) to represent these people, then bounce.....turning this into a chaotic mess. It makes his FB claim that much more ludicrous. Yup.....that it, plus it makes for a great book or movie. :D
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