... the article on vaccine holdouts is a good article but won't pass a Trumpista "critical race theory filter"seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:06 amThanks; interesting.tech37 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:43 am What Doctors Should Know About Delta
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-re ... ate_active
Who Are the COVID Vaccine 'Holdouts'?
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-re ... ate_active
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https://babylonbee.com/news/delta-varia ... -blah-blah
Delta Variant Found To Be Twice As Virulent...
Delta Variant Found To Be Twice As Virulent...
Scientists now warn that the COVID-19 Delta Variant is, like, more contagious and also, like... other stuff about it. Some of them have brought up masks again. I’m sure you’re rapt with attention about all this.
“It’s really concerning,” said some scientist named... I dunno. Who cares what his name is. Anyway, he went on for a while, but it all boiled down to... it’s still the coronavirus, but now you’re totally going to catch it for real this time. They are super double serious.
So if you’re, like, one of those Karens who loved worrying about this sort of thing, now you have new reasons for that while everyone else goes back to normal. You can yell at people, “You have to be more concerned about the Delta Variant! The Delta Variant!” and everyone can just kind of nod at you and then ignore you as usual.
Anyway, they say the vaccines are still effective against it, so I don’t even know why we’re still talking about this. Seen any good TV shows lately?
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Israel reports the COVID vaccines drop to 64% efficacy against the delta variant currently in Israel according to Haaretz.
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Yup. Masks back on in the locations where the general public is most prevalent. Here's a quick guide:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-thi ... iant-covid
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July 5, 2021
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Last night, in a speech to honor Independence Day, President Joe Biden used his administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic to defend democracy.
Biden urged people to remember where we were just a year ago, and to “think about how far we’ve come.” “From… silent streets to crowded parade routes lined with people waving American flags; from empty stadiums and arenas to fans back to their seats cheering together again; from families pressing hands against a window to grandparents hugging their grandchildren once again. We’re back traveling again. We’re back seeing one another again. Businesses are opening and hiring again. We’re seeing record job creation and record economic growth—the best in four decades and, I might add, the best in the world.”
The president was referring, in part, to the jobs report that came out on Friday, showing that the nation added a robust 850,000 non-farm jobs in June.
But he was also talking about how the United States of America took on the problem of the pandemic. Coming after two generations of lawmakers who refused to use federal power to help ordinary Americans, Biden used the pandemic to prove to Americans that the federal government could, indeed, work for everyone.
The former president downplayed the pandemic and flip-flopped on basic public health measures like masking and distancing. Unlike most European and Asian countries, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, the Trump Administration sidelined the country's public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, considered to be the top national public health agency in the world. Trump downplayed the seriousness of the coronavirus out of fear of hurting the stock market, and turned over to states the process of dealing with this unprecedented crisis. The U.S. led the world in COVID-19 deaths. More than 603,000 Americans have died so far.
When he took office, Biden had already begun to use the government response to coronavirus as a way to show that democracy could rise to the occasion of protecting its people. The day before his inauguration, President Biden held a memorial for the 400,000 who had, to that date, died of COVID-19. He put Dr. Rochelle Walensky, a renowned infectious disease expert, at the head of the CDC and reinstated the CDC at the head of the public health response to the pandemic. And he made vaccines accessible to all Americans. Fifty-eight percent of American adults have been fully vaccinated against coronavirus; 67% have had at least one shot. The U.S. has one of the highest vaccine rates in the world and is helping to vaccinate those in other countries, as well.
Biden recalled that the United States of America was based not on religion or hereditary monarchy, but on an idea: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all people are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights—among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
We have never lived up to that ideal, of course, but we have never abandoned it, either. Those principles, he said, “continue to animate us, and they remind us what, at our best, we as Americans believe: We, Americans—we believe in honesty and decency, in treating everyone with dignity and respect, giving everyone a fair shot, demonizing no one, giving hate no safe harbor, and leaving no one behind.”
But, he said, democracy isn’t top down. “Each day, we’re reminded there’s nothing guaranteed about our democracy, nothing guaranteed about our way of life,” he said. “We have to fight for it, defend it, earn it…. It’s up to all of us to protect the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; the right to equal justice under the law; the right to vote and have that vote counted; the right.... to breathe clean air, drink clean water, and know that our children and grandchildren will be safe on this planet for generations to come… the right to rise in the world as far as your God-given [talent] can take you, unlimited by barriers of privilege or power.”
Biden’s speech recalled that of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on June 5, 1944, upon the fall of Rome during World War II. It was Italian leader Benito Mussolini who articulated the ideals of fascism after World War I, envisioning a hierarchical world in which economic and political leaders worked together to lead the masses forward by welding them into a nationalistic, militaristic force.
In his 1944 speech, FDR was careful to explain to Americans how they were different from the Italian fascists. He talked about “Nazi overlords” and “fascist puppets.” Then, in contrast to the fascists’ racial hierarchies, FDR made a point of calling Americans’ attention to the fact that the men who defeated the Italian fascists were Americans from every walk of life.
And then he turned to how fascism treated its people. “In Italy, the people have lived so long under the corrupt rule of Mussolini that in spite of the tinsel at the top—you have seen the pictures of it—their economic conditions have grown steadily worse. Our troops have found starvation, malnutrition, disease, a deteriorating education, a lower public health, all byproducts of the fascist misrule.”
To rebuild Italy, FDR said, the troops had to start from the bottom. “[W]e have had to give them bread to replace that which was stolen out of their mouths,” he said. “We have had to make it possible for the Italians to raise and use their local crops. We have had to help them cleanse their schools of fascist trappings….”
He outlined how Americans had anticipated the need to relieve the people starved by the fascists, and had made plans to ship food grown by the “magnificent ability and energy of the American people,” in ships they had constructed, over thousands of miles of water. Some of us may let our thoughts run to the financial cost of it,” he said, but “we hope that this relief will be an investment for the future, an investment that will pay dividends by eliminating fascism, by ending any Italian desires to start another war of aggression in the future….”
FDR was emphasizing the power of the people, of democracy, to combat fascism not only abroad but also at home, where it had attracted Americans frustrated by the seeming inability of democracy to counter the Depression. They longed for a single strong leader to fix everything. Other Americans, horrified by FDR’s use of the government to regulate business, provide a basic social safety net, and promote infrastructure, wanted to take the nation back to the 1920s and in so doing had begun to flirt with fascism as well.
As he celebrated the triumph over democracy in Italy, he was also urging Americans to value and protect it at home.
Biden, too, is focusing on how efficient his administration has been in combating the coronavirus to combat authoritarianism both abroad and at home. With its support for the Big Lie; congress members like Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ), who openly associates with white nationalists; and its attack on voting rights, the modern-day Republican Party is moving rapidly toward authoritarianism. But the former president botched the most fundamental task of government: protecting its people from death. In contrast, more than 60% of Americans approve of how Biden has managed the coronavirus pandemic, with 95% of Democrats approving but only 33% of Republicans in favor.
Biden’s approach appears to be helping to solidify support for democracy. A recent PBS Newshour/NPR/Marist poll showed that two thirds of Americans believe democracy is under threat, but 47%— the highest number in 12 years—believe the country is moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, that number, too, reflects a difference by party. While 87 percent of Democrats say the country is improving, 87 percent of Republicans say the opposite.
Biden conjured up our success over the coronavirus to celebrate democracy: “[H]istory tells us that when we stand together, when we unite in common cause, when we see ourselves not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans, then there’s simply no limit to what we can achieve.”
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Last night, in a speech to honor Independence Day, President Joe Biden used his administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic to defend democracy.
Biden urged people to remember where we were just a year ago, and to “think about how far we’ve come.” “From… silent streets to crowded parade routes lined with people waving American flags; from empty stadiums and arenas to fans back to their seats cheering together again; from families pressing hands against a window to grandparents hugging their grandchildren once again. We’re back traveling again. We’re back seeing one another again. Businesses are opening and hiring again. We’re seeing record job creation and record economic growth—the best in four decades and, I might add, the best in the world.”
The president was referring, in part, to the jobs report that came out on Friday, showing that the nation added a robust 850,000 non-farm jobs in June.
But he was also talking about how the United States of America took on the problem of the pandemic. Coming after two generations of lawmakers who refused to use federal power to help ordinary Americans, Biden used the pandemic to prove to Americans that the federal government could, indeed, work for everyone.
The former president downplayed the pandemic and flip-flopped on basic public health measures like masking and distancing. Unlike most European and Asian countries, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, the Trump Administration sidelined the country's public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, considered to be the top national public health agency in the world. Trump downplayed the seriousness of the coronavirus out of fear of hurting the stock market, and turned over to states the process of dealing with this unprecedented crisis. The U.S. led the world in COVID-19 deaths. More than 603,000 Americans have died so far.
When he took office, Biden had already begun to use the government response to coronavirus as a way to show that democracy could rise to the occasion of protecting its people. The day before his inauguration, President Biden held a memorial for the 400,000 who had, to that date, died of COVID-19. He put Dr. Rochelle Walensky, a renowned infectious disease expert, at the head of the CDC and reinstated the CDC at the head of the public health response to the pandemic. And he made vaccines accessible to all Americans. Fifty-eight percent of American adults have been fully vaccinated against coronavirus; 67% have had at least one shot. The U.S. has one of the highest vaccine rates in the world and is helping to vaccinate those in other countries, as well.
Biden recalled that the United States of America was based not on religion or hereditary monarchy, but on an idea: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all people are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights—among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
We have never lived up to that ideal, of course, but we have never abandoned it, either. Those principles, he said, “continue to animate us, and they remind us what, at our best, we as Americans believe: We, Americans—we believe in honesty and decency, in treating everyone with dignity and respect, giving everyone a fair shot, demonizing no one, giving hate no safe harbor, and leaving no one behind.”
But, he said, democracy isn’t top down. “Each day, we’re reminded there’s nothing guaranteed about our democracy, nothing guaranteed about our way of life,” he said. “We have to fight for it, defend it, earn it…. It’s up to all of us to protect the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; the right to equal justice under the law; the right to vote and have that vote counted; the right.... to breathe clean air, drink clean water, and know that our children and grandchildren will be safe on this planet for generations to come… the right to rise in the world as far as your God-given [talent] can take you, unlimited by barriers of privilege or power.”
Biden’s speech recalled that of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt on June 5, 1944, upon the fall of Rome during World War II. It was Italian leader Benito Mussolini who articulated the ideals of fascism after World War I, envisioning a hierarchical world in which economic and political leaders worked together to lead the masses forward by welding them into a nationalistic, militaristic force.
In his 1944 speech, FDR was careful to explain to Americans how they were different from the Italian fascists. He talked about “Nazi overlords” and “fascist puppets.” Then, in contrast to the fascists’ racial hierarchies, FDR made a point of calling Americans’ attention to the fact that the men who defeated the Italian fascists were Americans from every walk of life.
And then he turned to how fascism treated its people. “In Italy, the people have lived so long under the corrupt rule of Mussolini that in spite of the tinsel at the top—you have seen the pictures of it—their economic conditions have grown steadily worse. Our troops have found starvation, malnutrition, disease, a deteriorating education, a lower public health, all byproducts of the fascist misrule.”
To rebuild Italy, FDR said, the troops had to start from the bottom. “[W]e have had to give them bread to replace that which was stolen out of their mouths,” he said. “We have had to make it possible for the Italians to raise and use their local crops. We have had to help them cleanse their schools of fascist trappings….”
He outlined how Americans had anticipated the need to relieve the people starved by the fascists, and had made plans to ship food grown by the “magnificent ability and energy of the American people,” in ships they had constructed, over thousands of miles of water. Some of us may let our thoughts run to the financial cost of it,” he said, but “we hope that this relief will be an investment for the future, an investment that will pay dividends by eliminating fascism, by ending any Italian desires to start another war of aggression in the future….”
FDR was emphasizing the power of the people, of democracy, to combat fascism not only abroad but also at home, where it had attracted Americans frustrated by the seeming inability of democracy to counter the Depression. They longed for a single strong leader to fix everything. Other Americans, horrified by FDR’s use of the government to regulate business, provide a basic social safety net, and promote infrastructure, wanted to take the nation back to the 1920s and in so doing had begun to flirt with fascism as well.
As he celebrated the triumph over democracy in Italy, he was also urging Americans to value and protect it at home.
Biden, too, is focusing on how efficient his administration has been in combating the coronavirus to combat authoritarianism both abroad and at home. With its support for the Big Lie; congress members like Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ), who openly associates with white nationalists; and its attack on voting rights, the modern-day Republican Party is moving rapidly toward authoritarianism. But the former president botched the most fundamental task of government: protecting its people from death. In contrast, more than 60% of Americans approve of how Biden has managed the coronavirus pandemic, with 95% of Democrats approving but only 33% of Republicans in favor.
Biden’s approach appears to be helping to solidify support for democracy. A recent PBS Newshour/NPR/Marist poll showed that two thirds of Americans believe democracy is under threat, but 47%— the highest number in 12 years—believe the country is moving in the right direction. Unfortunately, that number, too, reflects a difference by party. While 87 percent of Democrats say the country is improving, 87 percent of Republicans say the opposite.
Biden conjured up our success over the coronavirus to celebrate democracy: “[H]istory tells us that when we stand together, when we unite in common cause, when we see ourselves not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans, then there’s simply no limit to what we can achieve.”
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great to see pfizer still 93% effective vs delta preventing serious disease and hospitalization in israel and 88% in preventing symptomatic and 96% serious/hospitalization in england.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:14 amYup. Masks back on in the locations where the general public is most prevalent. Here's a quick guide:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-thi ... iant-covid
and other vaccines showing good results, too.
go vaxx.
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Interesting side comment....wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:16 pmgreat to see pfizer still 93% effective vs delta preventing serious disease and hospitalization in israel and 88% in preventing symptomatic and 96% serious/hospitalization in england.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:14 amYup. Masks back on in the locations where the general public is most prevalent. Here's a quick guide:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-thi ... iant-covid
and other vaccines showing good results, too.
go vaxx.
Traveling in and out of public places regularly for work, it is an interesting observation that easily 75% or more of blacks are wearing masks in public places, walking down the street, even driving in a car solo. Over the Memorial Holiday weekend I was boating on the Ches. Bay and saw a black couple in their open bow boat wearing masks while cruising.
I wonder if it is an anti-vaccine issue or simply a precautionary measure, especially when damned near every Federal and State restriction has been lifted.
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redfield told people under oath his mask protects him more than any vaccine. some people listen.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:13 pmInteresting side comment....wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:16 pmgreat to see pfizer still 93% effective vs delta preventing serious disease and hospitalization in israel and 88% in preventing symptomatic and 96% serious/hospitalization in england.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:14 amYup. Masks back on in the locations where the general public is most prevalent. Here's a quick guide:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-thi ... iant-covid
and other vaccines showing good results, too.
go vaxx.
Traveling in and out of public places regularly for work, it is an interesting observation that easily 75% or more of blacks are wearing masks in public places, walking down the street, even driving in a car solo. Over the Memorial Holiday weekend I was boating on the Ches. Bay and saw a black couple in their open bow boat wearing masks while cruising.
I wonder if it is an anti-vaccine issue or simply a precautionary measure, especially when damned near every Federal and State restriction has been lifted.
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Looking for a little insight from Old Salt, Youth, Cradle, and anyone else for that matter. My understanding is that until we have FDA approval of the COVID-19 vaccines the military can't mandate vaccinations. My guess is a fair number of our military will go unvaccinated, likely a majority of the enlisted, but I have no data to prove that. At certain levels it's affecting the makeup of platoons and impacting training and future deployments. Does this sound f'd up to anyone besides me?
To our friends here who served in the military, you probably received more vaccines than most at the time of your service. And once this vaccine is FDA approved I don't imagine ones politics* is going to keep them from being vaccinated. But the fact that our military leaders need to dance around this issue in order to prevent the spread of the virus within the ranks, I find shocking. Okay, nothing is shocking anymore, but I do find it f'd up.
Is military readiness more stable with a fully vaccinated force? Serious question.
* I do understand that there are many reasons beyond politics for people's refusal/reluctance for getting the vaccine (most of it from being misinformed. My wife is an EMT and has devoted the past 6 months to giving vaccines -- I know where I speak from here). On the military side that I am familiar with, politics does seem to be a driving factor.
To our friends here who served in the military, you probably received more vaccines than most at the time of your service. And once this vaccine is FDA approved I don't imagine ones politics* is going to keep them from being vaccinated. But the fact that our military leaders need to dance around this issue in order to prevent the spread of the virus within the ranks, I find shocking. Okay, nothing is shocking anymore, but I do find it f'd up.
Is military readiness more stable with a fully vaccinated force? Serious question.
* I do understand that there are many reasons beyond politics for people's refusal/reluctance for getting the vaccine (most of it from being misinformed. My wife is an EMT and has devoted the past 6 months to giving vaccines -- I know where I speak from here). On the military side that I am familiar with, politics does seem to be a driving factor.
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strawman question, not really an answer out there.
majority of healthcare workers remained unvaccinated for a long time. maybe still, probably in some locales.
majority of healthcare workers remained unvaccinated for a long time. maybe still, probably in some locales.
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If memory serves me, I believe I heard that USNA had all but a dozen or two electively NOT receive the vaccination...if it was even that many.ToastDunk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:59 pm Looking for a little insight from Old Salt, Youth, Cradle, and anyone else for that matter. My understanding is that until we have FDA approval of the COVID-19 vaccines the military can't mandate vaccinations. My guess is a fair number of our military will go unvaccinated, likely a majority of the enlisted, but I have no data to prove that. At certain levels it's affecting the makeup of platoons and impacting training and future deployments. Does this sound f'd up to anyone besides me?
To our friends here who served in the military, you probably received more vaccines than most at the time of your service. And once this vaccine is FDA approved I don't imagine ones politics* is going to keep them from being vaccinated. But the fact that our military leaders need to dance around this issue in order to prevent the spread of the virus within the ranks, I find shocking. Okay, nothing is shocking anymore, but I do find it f'd up.
Is military readiness more stable with a fully vaccinated force? Serious question.
* I do understand that there are many reasons beyond politics for people's refusal/reluctance for getting the vaccine (most of it from being misinformed. My wife is an EMT and has devoted the past 6 months to giving vaccines -- I know where I speak from here). On the military side that I am familiar with, politics does seem to be a driving factor.
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That’s good news, Youth, and numbers like that from the Academy wouldn’t surprise me.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:59 pmIf memory serves me, I believe I heard that USNA had all but a dozen or two electively NOT receive the vaccination...if it was even that many.ToastDunk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:59 pm Looking for a little insight from Old Salt, Youth, Cradle, and anyone else for that matter. My understanding is that until we have FDA approval of the COVID-19 vaccines the military can't mandate vaccinations. My guess is a fair number of our military will go unvaccinated, likely a majority of the enlisted, but I have no data to prove that. At certain levels it's affecting the makeup of platoons and impacting training and future deployments. Does this sound f'd up to anyone besides me?
To our friends here who served in the military, you probably received more vaccines than most at the time of your service. And once this vaccine is FDA approved I don't imagine ones politics* is going to keep them from being vaccinated. But the fact that our military leaders need to dance around this issue in order to prevent the spread of the virus within the ranks, I find shocking. Okay, nothing is shocking anymore, but I do find it f'd up.
Is military readiness more stable with a fully vaccinated force? Serious question.
* I do understand that there are many reasons beyond politics for people's refusal/reluctance for getting the vaccine (most of it from being misinformed. My wife is an EMT and has devoted the past 6 months to giving vaccines -- I know where I speak from here). On the military side that I am familiar with, politics does seem to be a driving factor.
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"majority"??
Perhaps I misunderstand...https://www.modernhealthcare.com/labor/ ... d-vaccines
By February over 80% of healthcare workers surveyed at U Mich had been vaccinated or were scheduled...very few hesitant as a %...who was hesitant? nurses and non-clinical workers...physicians, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, high vaccination rates. Less education, more hesitant.
Probably was better at that institution than east podunk Missouri, but where are you getting 'majority'?
EDIT, here's an article that had 1 in 3 healthcare workers not vaccinated as of May...not a majority, but a lot.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19 ... al-workers
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From MedMD:MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:57 pm"majority"??
Perhaps I misunderstand...https://www.modernhealthcare.com/labor/ ... d-vaccines
By February over 80% of healthcare workers surveyed at U Mich had been vaccinated or were scheduled...very few hesitant as a %...who was hesitant? nurses and non-clinical workers...physicians, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, high vaccination rates. Less education, more hesitant.
Probably was better at that institution than east podunk Missouri, but where are you getting 'majority'?
EDIT, here's an article that had 1 in 3 healthcare workers not vaccinated as of May...not a majority, but a lot.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19 ... al-workers
“…nationwide, 1 in 4 hospital workers who have direct contact with patients had not received a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine by the end of May…”
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19 ... al-workers
And from early June:
“…The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated.”
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... t-covid-19
Maybe not a majority.
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as of.may... they were frontline in jan.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:57 pm"majority"??
Perhaps I misunderstand...https://www.modernhealthcare.com/labor/ ... d-vaccines
By February over 80% of healthcare workers surveyed at U Mich had been vaccinated or were scheduled...very few hesitant as a %...who was hesitant? nurses and non-clinical workers...physicians, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, high vaccination rates. Less education, more hesitant.
Probably was better at that institution than east podunk Missouri, but where are you getting 'majority'?
EDIT, here's an article that had 1 in 3 healthcare workers not vaccinated as of May...not a majority, but a lot.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19 ... al-workers
i said a long time (in covid years). but you wanted to jump in.
of course.
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"jump in"???wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:22 pmas of.may... they were frontline in jan.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:57 pm"majority"??
Perhaps I misunderstand...https://www.modernhealthcare.com/labor/ ... d-vaccines
By February over 80% of healthcare workers surveyed at U Mich had been vaccinated or were scheduled...very few hesitant as a %...who was hesitant? nurses and non-clinical workers...physicians, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, high vaccination rates. Less education, more hesitant.
Probably was better at that institution than east podunk Missouri, but where are you getting 'majority'?
EDIT, here's an article that had 1 in 3 healthcare workers not vaccinated as of May...not a majority, but a lot.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19 ... al-workers
i said a long time (in covid years). but you wanted to jump in.
of course.
It's a discussion thread, not a PM.
Still not sure I'm understanding your meaning...did you mean that some (perhaps younger) healthcare workers were slow to take it up when they knew supplies were extremely slim and they had 80 yr old patients who couldn't get a shot? yes, they were 'frontline' so had priority access, (but the physicians were pretty darn onboard from the get go)...or do you mean that once the vaccine became easily available they (as in all healthcare workers) were still 'slow' to take it up?
Relative to other populations? More, or less, "slow"?
I'm just not sure I'm getting what you're saying with the comment. I did understand that "long" is a relative term, ie 'Covid years', but it's all relative right?
If you're simply saying that many people, even healthcare workers, have been reluctant to get vaccinated, that seems true...and indeed, 'in some locales' they may still not be above 50%...especially the less educated portion of the staff.
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as of march19-20, with almost 3 months of being first selected, abouts 50% of the healthcare worker population had not taken up the vaccine. at all. feel free to look it up.
i'll say it again. 50%. after almost 3 months. healthcare workers, of all people.
vaccines were, at the outset, sent to hospitals, nursing homes, et.al., with instructions not to be given to anyone else outside the system. this was all national news and researchable.
anecdotally, my son, who was 20 and tertiary involved with the health care system, was offered repeatedly spots in line when seniors couldn't get them. in mid jan. and seniors couldn't get them for months after for many.
you are welcome to look any of this stuff up to verify before challenging (while misrepresenting what i said). thanks.
i'll say it again. 50%. after almost 3 months. healthcare workers, of all people.
vaccines were, at the outset, sent to hospitals, nursing homes, et.al., with instructions not to be given to anyone else outside the system. this was all national news and researchable.
anecdotally, my son, who was 20 and tertiary involved with the health care system, was offered repeatedly spots in line when seniors couldn't get them. in mid jan. and seniors couldn't get them for months after for many.
you are welcome to look any of this stuff up to verify before challenging (while misrepresenting what i said). thanks.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
100% of employed HC workers will soon be vaccinated.
Some nurses sued their Houston, TX hospital system complaining that their civil rights were being violated by their employer requiring vaccinations. Claimed that forcing them to take an "experimental" vaccine violated the Nuremberg code. The federal judge said GMAFB and dismissed their case. So as of a couple weeks ago, you're going to get fired from your HC job if you won't take a shot. Totally correct result legally and medically.
Turns out that it is the least scientifically sophisticated HC workers who have been the ones refusing the shots. All the docs, nurse practicioners, PAs, midwives have gotten the shots. Nurses are basically the only ones who are hesitant. And also non-HC provider employees -- food service workers, security personnel, etc.
So the vaccine hesitancy from the HC worker population is completely unconvincing to me. Just proves that there are Trumper partisans and goofballs everywhere, and (no surprise) their numbers increase as medical sophistication decreases.
Some nurses sued their Houston, TX hospital system complaining that their civil rights were being violated by their employer requiring vaccinations. Claimed that forcing them to take an "experimental" vaccine violated the Nuremberg code. The federal judge said GMAFB and dismissed their case. So as of a couple weeks ago, you're going to get fired from your HC job if you won't take a shot. Totally correct result legally and medically.
Turns out that it is the least scientifically sophisticated HC workers who have been the ones refusing the shots. All the docs, nurse practicioners, PAs, midwives have gotten the shots. Nurses are basically the only ones who are hesitant. And also non-HC provider employees -- food service workers, security personnel, etc.
So the vaccine hesitancy from the HC worker population is completely unconvincing to me. Just proves that there are Trumper partisans and goofballs everywhere, and (no surprise) their numbers increase as medical sophistication decreases.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.