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51percentcorn wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:26 pm Also, while I think DeSimone's goal was a 4th quarter goal, the starting attack, defense and goalie were gone by then. Smith started with William's and Marr and then Epstein played most of the 2nd and 4th and played some in the 3rd.
I wonder if this is something of a preview of what the lineup will look like Feb. 9 at Johnny Unitas. At this point it appears as though Forry Smith is the third starting attackman. He and Epstein will platoon—perhaps all season, or perhaps until one of the two emerges as a more consistent option. Whoever is not playing attack could get some run through the midfield. I mostly disagree with this philosophy but it seems like what the coaches prefer. I am still of the mind that you put Epstein out there from day one but I suppose this wouldn't be a terrible alternative if Smith really has developed his game as the fall/winter reports suggest.

The pressure that Williams and Epstein on the field at the same time would exert on a defense is quite a handful to with. I can envision a lot of Marr 10-foot rips with his hands free if the D pinches in when they dodge from the wing/behind the goal. If they don't—especially with the new dive rules—I like Epstein's ability to get a step on most defenders. I've long admired Smith's savvy off-ball movement and finishing ability, but is that more valuable than having a second dodger on the field? Ideally Benson will find ways to have them in the lineup together.

I haven't seen any scrimmages in person with the shot clock so won't comment on how it affects the game but I'm pretty confident saying that a late January scrimmage is not the best way to judge. Things like communication, rhythm, decision-making...all at their lowest and most unrefined levels of the season. As play crisps up a bit I'd expect that playing WITH the clock, instead of against it, will improve as well.
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Thanks for the recap. Who were the starters?

BIG coaches interestingly pick Hopkins to win the conference even tho I've seen maryland and even penn st ahead in top 20 preseason polls.
https://bigten.org/news/2019/1/28/johns ... rosse.aspx

Story on Pellegrino in another Super Bowl, Petro is quoted a few times. Dolphins are poaching Flores, one of Pellegrinos bosses so he could be poised to rise to a positional coach roll. They always talk about hogan and belichicks lacrosse connections but perhaps this will start to make the broader conversation if he gets promoted. great pr for the program.
https://www.newsday.com/sports/football ... 1.26471999

“When you have a connection like we have with the Patriots, you’re very hesitant to use it,” Pietramala said. “I just felt comfortable recommending Mike because I knew whatever would be asked of him he would do. I didn’t think the hours would be too long because he was a grinder.”
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Team preview in Lax Mag is up. Of note: Forry apparently started the season last year with a broken hand. I know he had surgery in the offseason prior to the 2018 campaign but don't know if that was related.

Most of the article is the obvious stuff about the strength of the attack, questions in the midfield and at the specialist positions, and experience on D.

Some choice quotes from Petro:
“This might be the first time we’ve gone into a season committed to run everything through the attack,” Pietramala said. “Kyle has steadily improved his shooting throughout his career and is playing with an awful lot of confidence. [Williams] has spent a lot of time working on his right [off-shooting] hand and looks like a more versatile player. We’re excited about some of the other guys [at attack].”

Leading that group is freshman Joey Epstein, the highly-prized Landon Prep recruit who looked as good as advertised in the fall. “A terrific talent, our best freshman by far and our hardest worker,” Pietramala said.

Sophomore Jack Keogh, one of numerous attack/midfield hybrids for Hopkins, showed much improvement in the fall. So did junior Forry Smith, who is two years removed from a 14-goal season at attack.
From other coaches:
“It’s going to be weird not having a Stanwick there. It’s going to be a different thing. They should be good, and they defensively they return a lot of guys. Brock did a good job in goal for them so [with him gone] they have to get a new starter. They have a lot of offensive pieces and a lot of defensive pieces back. Defensively, I felt they were better last year.

“They have one of the best offensive players in the league in the big lefty (Williams), so he’ll be a bear. Tinney gave them a lot of energy, heart and toughness. He was a bit fo a wild card, but that kid’s compete factor was really good.”

“Now they have to play fast. The new rules will encourage them to be free and play loose. They absolutely have a lot of talent there.”

“I always think of a team that has a lot of tradition and a lot of talent. Certainly, it’s well-coached offensively and defensively. I respect them a lot for what they’ve bene able to do and what they do every day. Nobody has a bull’s-eye on them more than they do.”

“Coach Petro, Coach Dwan, Coach Benson, those are elite coaches. That’s a team that’s always well-prepared, always well-coached. They lose a sparkplug in Tinney. Cole Williams is a beast of a kid, and being able to pair him with Kyle Marr, who’s as smart of a player as there is, they have some really nice pieces.”
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/m ... -to-attack
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wgdsr wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:48 pm these comments on the shot clock make me dismayed and dreading what this will look and feel like come spring (in a week?). oy vey. just a ridiculous crusade to get to this point. and last year had about as clean a year as you could have. no real issues.
Last few seasons of ball have been fantastic. Great game after great game.

2019 is going to be the season of "I told you so", except the Laxpower archives are gone where you could have quoted dozens of posters telling folks exactly what is coming with a stupid shotclock.

I'll be heading out to see what Bill Tierney's defensive plans are for the shotclock era. The odds of me leaving the field and not laughing the whole way home are not good given the comments here.

Can't say that fans of the shot clock weren't warned, and nothing would make me happier than being dead wrong, but these comments are not encouraging....
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Hoponboard wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:13 am High Point vs. Hop scrimmage video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0Z5So ... e=youtu.be

Scoring for Hopkins:

Marr 2g, 2a
Smith 2g
Epstein 2g
Williams 1g, 1a
DeSimone 1g, 1a
Keogh 1g
Rapine 1g
Kuhn 1g
Baskin 1g
Shilling 1a
Colwell 1a

Concannon did not play as a precaution.

Ryan Darby looked sharp in goal, but his clearing left something to be desired. Giacalone replaced him in the 4th.

Prouty had a slow start at the X, but improved later in the scrimmage.
Matt Nerewski came on in the 2nd qtr and was dominant. I have him winning 8 of 9 FOs.

Jake Lilly scored an impressive goal off a Marr feed.
Great video, HOB. Thank you.

Epstein looks fast. Really fast. An attack of Marr, Williams, and Epstein is going to be a matchup nightmare for opposing Ds. Forry Smith definitely looks like he picked up a step. With the openings at midfield, I don’t think Smith or Epstein should be spending any time on the bench. Find a way to get them on the field and keep them on.

With the shotclock, I am hoping we’ll see more transition offense initiated by the D.

I’m not as concerned as others about the midfield (on offense or defense). Lots of young talent there. Just need some reps and some time to gel as a unit.

Looking forward to what I anticipate to be a terrific season!

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a fan wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:44 pm
wgdsr wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:48 pm these comments on the shot clock make me dismayed and dreading what this will look and feel like come spring (in a week?). oy vey. just a ridiculous crusade to get to this point. and last year had about as clean a year as you could have. no real issues.
Last few seasons of ball have been fantastic. Great game after great game.

2019 is going to be the season of "I told you so", except the Laxpower archives are gone where you could have quoted dozens of posters telling folks exactly what is coming with a stupid shotclock.

I'll be heading out to see what Bill Tierney's defensive plans are for the shotclock era. The odds of me leaving the field and not laughing the whole way home are not good given the comments here.

Can't say that fans of the shot clock weren't warned, and nothing would make me happier than being dead wrong, but these comments are not encouraging....
I don't know, guys. Taking observations from a Hopkins scrimmage about coaches panicking and yelling on the sidelines as a predictor of the whole season seems like a big stretch. This is Hopkins. These coaches want to control every bit of the game and play as deliberately as possible. It's gonna take them awhile to figure it out. I think we should wait until we see some teams with coaches who don't yell quite so much to observe how teams approach the shot clock. Even Denver with Matt Brown leading the offense should be a good test.

I'm not saying we need a shot clock or that offense and goals will increase greatly. I don't care if more goals are scored or not. I think more action will be fine.
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I thought Epstein looked fast and that first step is a great weapon to have. Is he better at X or on the wing I dont know. My main concern for this team is that we are seriously lacking size in the midfield. With the exception of some of the new faces whose time was limited it looked like a waterbug party in the middle of the field. We better find some size quickly.
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This isn't the only scrimmage report I've gotten/seen.

My overall point is the same as wgdsr's.... I think we were treated to some fine lacrosse the last few seasons....and I'm not all that excited about making major changes to the balance of the game. As I said, nothing would make me happier than getting another season like the last one....

But I can't imagine that not one Division I coach made fairly substantial changes to their defensive schemes based on that clock.

We'll see. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong!
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a fan wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:57 am This isn't the only scrimmage report I've gotten/seen.

My overall point is the same as wgdsr's.... I think we were treated to some fine lacrosse the last few seasons....and I'm not all that excited about making major changes to the balance of the game. As I said, nothing would make me happier than getting another season like the last one....

But I can't imagine that not one Division I coach made fairly substantial changes to their defensive schemes based on that clock.

We'll see. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong!
I'm sure you're right that many defensive schemes will change. It's possible that offenses will respond to that. When i was coaching, if we struggled playing offense against a team's settled defense, I encouraged the team to attack the goal before the defense got set. Now coaches have less fear about not getting the ball back after a quick turnover because of the shot clock (having a good fogo will help that too).
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2019 preview on LSN includes interviews with Petro: https://www.laxsportsnetwork.com/videos ... on-preview

He expects Cole Williams to make another jump this season. Said he thought Cole should have had 60 goals last year. Offseason work for Cole has been on footwork, vision (improving passing when he gets slid to), and refining shooting. Sounds about right.

Petro also praised Epstein's worth ethic, comparing it to that of Rabil, Harrison, and Durkin. You don't drop names like those ones if you don't mean it.

Yet another mention of Keogh turning a corner this fall. Sounds like he's an option for the first or second midfield.
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flalax22 wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:49 am I thought Epstein looked fast and that first step is a great weapon to have. Is he better at X or on the wing I dont know. My main concern for this team is that we are seriously lacking size in the midfield. With the exception of some of the new faces whose time was limited it looked like a waterbug party in the middle of the field. We better find some size quickly.
Wait a minute ... didn’t Petro just bring in something like half a dozen six-footers at midfield :?: Hope Coach gives the frosh a lot of reps.

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The proven talent at midfield:

Concannon - 5'5'', 165, munchkin status
DeSimone - 5'11, 200, not small, but definitely not big, though reportedly put on some muscle over the offseason

Then there are the unproven guys who may or may not step up:

Keogh - 5'9'', 180, got pushed around a bit last year
Baskin - listed at 6'0'', 165 but I think that height is a tad generous
Stagnitta - 5'10'', 175
Ernst - 6'1'', 205, decent size but doubt he actually sees the field
Fox - 6'3'', 220, big kid but more likely to platoon at attack or on EMO than play middie

And finally, the freshmen:
Zinn - 6'3'', 200, big and fast
Mabbett - 6'4'', 215, very big but not sure how fast
Lilly - 6'4'', 205, big
Degnon - 6'4'', 210, big
Hawley - 5'10'', 155—height is generous
Cattoni - 5'9'', 180, jitterbug but plays with an edge

Assuming Deso and Concannon are both with the 1s, they'd likely need a bigger dude to be the third guy on that line. Meaning one of the freshmen. Maybe a second line of Keogh, Smith/Epstein (whoever isn't "playing attack" at that moment), and another freshman. That said, I don't know how crucial it is that the offensive midfield get that much bigger when one of your primary attackmen is a 6'5'' monster. Smith has good size, and while Epstein isn't tall, he's strong and he plays like he's bigger than he is.
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We have anyone in Milwaukee tomorrow to provide updates/info?
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HopFan16 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:44 pm Ernst - 6'1'', 205, decent size but doubt he actually sees the field
Fox - 6'3'', 220, big kid but more likely to platoon at attack or on EMO than play middie
Zinn - 6'3'', 200, big and fast
Mabbett - 6'4'', 215, very big but not sure how fast
Lilly - 6'4'', 205, big
Degnon - 6'4'', 210, big
....and some Hop fans will begin complaining that Petro recruited players that are too big and slow in, 9, 8, 7.....

Best of luck this season, HopHeads!
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Jays were up 5-2 at the half, according to Marquette's Instagram. Haven't seen any updates since. The two teams practiced together before the scrimmage.
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Marquette social media has a post scrimmage interview up with their coach where he gives the kind of interview you usually see from UMBC after we beat them (Our FOGOs scrapped, our Goalies hung in there, our defense worked hard) which sounds like it went well for us. Looks like the marquette u tv station will have a 2 minute bit up about it later. We'll find out mid this week maybe if there were any bad injuries when Petro has his media avail.

Not sure why FanLax doesn't have the tournament predictor, RPI, sos, game forum, scores thing set up by now and why they and inside lacrosse can't have it going in real time in 2019-those were the key parts of LP that people came to check.
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a fan wrote: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:57 am This isn't the only scrimmage report I've gotten/seen.

My overall point is the same as wgdsr's.... I think we were treated to some fine lacrosse the last few seasons....and I'm not all that excited about making major changes to the balance of the game. As I said, nothing would make me happier than getting another season like the last one....

But I can't imagine that not one Division I coach made fairly substantial changes to their defensive schemes based on that clock.

We'll see. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong!
We can eye ball it......or look at stats, like shots, shots on goal and percentages, from prior years to this one.

Oh, and S.I.D's aren't clever enough to include shot clock violations in box scores, yet. But that would help, too?
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HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:41 pm Jays were up 5-2 at the half, according to Marquette's Instagram. Haven't seen any updates since. The two teams practiced together before the scrimmage.
I had the final as Jays winning 11-9. A few observations:
I thought the Jays did a much better job managing the shot clock compared to the High Point game
Of the face-off men, I thought Matt Narewski looked the best. Having said that, if you were worried about FO's before, nothing seen today would change your mind
Playing lacrosse in Wisconsin in February is a bad idea - even in a giant bubble
I thought Darby looked excellent in goal - most of goals were point blank, and D was really weak on man-down
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