All things CoronaVirus

[Brooklyn]

to me it looked like a lot of questions to ask yourself

Had your hero the Moron-In-Chief troubled himself to ask those questions thousands could well have been saved. After all, it was characterized as a "playbook" and did not pretend to be a resurgence of the Dead Sea Scrolls or Frankenstein's Secrets of Life & Death.

[wgdsr]

to me it looked like a lot of questions to ask yourself

Had your hero the Moron-In-Chief troubled himself to ask those questions thousands could well have been saved. After all, it was characterized as a "playbook" and did not pretend to be a resurgence of the Dead Sea Scrolls or Frankenstein's Secrets of Life & Death.

right. and we don't have azars and faucis and redfields and hahns leading agencies to advise and do their level best in an unknown situation. with thousands of qualified individuals behind them. they'll make mistakes in a pandemic with all the unknowns (that's actually in the playbook).

your take on us being sk, australia or new zealand is a referendum on fauci and redfield and others, btw. not trump. but you don't even know it. i don't think you should be absolving trump in all this mess, but your call. go for germany to stay right for the cause.

not coincidentally, i heard klain was against your international border shutdown decree, the hindsight 20/20 brookie one. guess we'll see what he does with the u.k. and south africa, and if we just open up for holiday there.

[Brooklyn]

klain was against your international border shutdown decree

That is not entirely true. He said that what we had under tRUMP "was a travel band aid, not a travel ban".


https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-f ... trictions/


At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”

“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”

“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”



It is clear that he wanted something more effective from tRUMP but in all honesty it is not entirely clear as to what he really wanted. It will, of course, be remembered that as Ebola response coordinator under Obama, it was he who kept the disease from entering our shores. I'm sure that had he kept that job under tRUMP he would not have changed his strategy.

[PizzaSnake]

The Europeans had better stop forking around with their
farmed mink reservoirs before we see some antigenic shift.

https://jvi.asm.org/content/84/7/3134

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... in-content

Of course, looks like the cat’s, er, the mink’s already out
of the bag, so to speak.

https://amp.dispatch.com/amp/3878923001

and this

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180976554/

[wgdsr]

klain was against your international border shutdown decree

That is not entirely true. He said that what we had under tRUMP "was a travel band aid, not a travel ban".

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-f ... trictions/

At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”

“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”

“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”

It is clear that he wanted something more effective from tRUMP but in all honesty it is not entirely clear as to what he really wanted. It will, of course, be remembered that as Ebola response coordinator under Obama, it was he who kept the disease from entering our shores. I'm sure that had he kept that job under tRUMP he would not have changed his strategy.

yup, he did. also,
Ron Klain, a longtime top adviser and former Biden chief of staff, opposed a travel ban a few days before it was announced, calling it “premature.” Other Biden advisers were also dismissive.

On Jan. 30, Biden confidant and coronavirus adviser Zeke Emanuel told CNBC viewers to “take a very big breath, slow down, and stop panicking and being hysterical.” The virus will “go down as spring comes up.”

Throughout February, Mr. Biden’s lieutenants kept minimizing the threat. In a Feb. 6 op-ed, Biden coronavirus adviser Irwin Redlener wrote that a global pandemic was “not very likely” and predicted the chances of “getting a severe, potentially lethal form of the Wuhan virus is negligible.” On Feb. 11 Mr. Klain again played down the likelihood that Covid would become “a serious epidemic.” “The evidence suggests it’s probably not that,” he said. Two days later, Mr. Klain tweeted, “We don’t have a COVID-19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic.”

Suggesting in a Feb. 20 interview that there’d been “an overreaction,” Dr. Emanuel again suggested “warm weather is going to come and, just like with the flu, the coronavirus is going to go down.”

Then on Feb. 24, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged tourists in San Francisco to “come to Chinatown.” Mr. Klain echoed her three days later, saying people should not be dissuaded by “needless fears about coronavirus.” He added that everyone “should tonight go down to Chinatown in their city and buy dinner or go shopping.”

https://norfolkdailynews.com/commentary ... 9725e.html
in fairness to klain, we had top health officials telling people similar things and more well into march. we were in an unknown pandemic.

as it is, his run as a health and emergency politico might be largest reason he was chosen to chief of staff it again. and think he's the best pick in the cabinet, makes me optimistic they'll have a good and needed steward in '21.

[seacoaster]

But now we know and....

https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1 ... 0021610499

[youthathletics]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[Typical Lax Dad]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That is how tax reform was passed also.

[cradleandshoot]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That is how tax reform was passed also.

So that old cliche about 2 wrongs add up to a right is now proven to be pure buffalo bagels? Got it, message received lima charlie. That means loud and clear for all of you civilian types out there.

[youthathletics]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That is how tax reform was passed also.

Yup and the ole.... "we have to pass it so we can read it" was not that long ago. Seems it is status quo for these guys to just let the attorneys and lobbyist craft our policies. ANd then just recently, Nancy in her infinite wisdom, praises McCain for calling out that we need to know what is in the bill before we sign it. We are all just along for the ride, fighting over cheese.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That is how tax reform was passed also.

So that old cliche about 2 wrongs add up to a right is now proven to be pure buffalo bagels? Got it, message received lima charlie. That means loud and clear for all of you civilian types out there.

I am saying both were wrong. It seemed obvious.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That is how tax reform was passed also.

Yup and the ole.... "we have to pass it so we can read it" was not that long ago. Seems it is status quo for these guys to just let the attorneys and lobbyist craft our policies. ANd then just recently, Nancy in her infinite wisdom, praises McCain for calling out that we need to know what is in the bill before we sign it. We are all just along for the ride, fighting over cheese.

+1. Ruling class stuff.

[wgdsr]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

[Typical Lax Dad]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.

[MDlaxfan76]

Throwing in here just because it is primarily related to the All things COVID:

From Rep.Ralph Norman: https://twitter.com/RepRalphNorman/stat ... 54400?s=20

@RepRalphNorman
Folks, we just received a 5,600 page PDF that represents one of the largest spending bills in our history, and NOT ONE Member of Congress will have had time to read through it before voting later today.

This is awful governance, and a disservice to the American people.
2:27 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

That is how tax reform was passed also.

So that old cliche about 2 wrongs add up to a right is now proven to be pure buffalo bagels? Got it, message received lima charlie. That means loud and clear for all of you civilian types out there.

I am saying both were wrong. It seemed obvious.

In this most recent situation, McConnell should have had the Committees doing the work last summer, drafts and amendments debated, and then passed before going on August recess...regular order. But he and the rest of the leadership crew didn't want to deal with it. Trump didn't care, the bill was the 'wrong message' when they were trying to sell the idea that virus was already beaten and the economy was going to come roaring back. So they delayed and delayed and delayed...

This actual bill only got written at all when some moderate Senators from both parties got together 'off campus' and wrote the bill...and forced McConnell and leadership to deal with it. Which he was only willing to do because the GOP Senate candidates in Georgia are struggling with criticism over no action.

[MDlaxfan76]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.

Heavy air traffic this weekend.

[Typical Lax Dad]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.

Heavy air traffic this weekend.

Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.

[wgdsr]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.

Heavy air traffic this weekend.

Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.

you're a vaccine hater.

[Typical Lax Dad]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.

Heavy air traffic this weekend.

Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.

you're a vaccine hater.

Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.

[wgdsr]

xmas is rounding the corner. gotta get home and not gather.

Holidays and a contagion don’t go hand in hand. Only hope is that some people forgoing gatherings in light of the risk will help keep the numbers down. It will be window dressing in the grand scheme of things.

Heavy air traffic this weekend.

Not a good sign. Hopefully it will lead to the last “spike” that we see. Hopefully Memorial day won’t see as big an increase in numbers.

you're a vaccine hater.

Hopefully the vaccine will help with memorial day, as I anticipate.

warnings for thanksgiving were appropriate. there was not a major spike. growth rates have slowed throughout december. some of that may be other measures muting a thanksgiving impact, but the numbers are the numbers.