All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
44
64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
7
10%
 
Total votes: 69

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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:40 pm And, of course, this HILL article tRumps any WashPost article, as it has actual links to Pfiezers publications.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... ent-delays

so, beyond the fear porn of the WashPost, what else you got, regarding the delay. Pfiezer, itself, says everything is fine. You? blame trump
Detroit Free Press: Michigan health officials say state getting shorted on COVID-19 vaccine; Pfizer disagrees

TPM: What Has Happened To The Promised Doses Of The COVID Vaccine?
Some major problems are already emerging in the initial rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine, and the federal government is not providing any good answers.

The early warning signs:

At least twelve states are reporting cuts in their initial allocations of doses.
One governor is reporting that the total number of doses projected to be available nationwide has been cut by four million monthly.
The vaccine maker reports it is not having production problems and says it has doses in warehouses, but is awaiting direction from the federal government on where to send them.

The combination of no production problems plus doses sitting in warehouses suggests some issue with the federal government’s oversight of the distribution of the vaccine.

But it’s not exactly clear what the hold up is. The federal government has not offered an explanation for the shortfall in available doses.

The reduction was announced during a “CDC/OWS all-state call” Wednesday afternoon, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson Lynn Sutfin told TPM.

Most disturbingly, Illinois Gov. J. B. Pritzker (D) suggested that the entire federal vaccine distribution effort was falling short of what had been expected. Federal officials with Operation Warp Speed have promised a monthly cadence of 20 million doses per each manufacturer per month. But Pritzker said that federal officials had told him that the Trump administration would only be able to distribute 4 million doses of the vaccine per week.

He added that his state would receive half of what it has expected of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine over the next two weeks.

In addition to Pritzker’s Illinois, California, Kansas, Nebraska, Maryland, Michigan, Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Oregon, and Florida have said that they expected to receive less vaccine than federal officials had initially promised, offering different reasons for why.

A spokesperson for California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) told TPM that the “federal government delayed the number of Pfizer vaccines that California will receive in the next shipment.” The spokesperson had no explanation as to why state’s allocation had been reduced.

Gov. Jay Inslee (D) of Washington state said that his state’s vaccine allocation had also been slashed by around 40 percent, without any explanation from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.
So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:58 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:40 pm And, of course, this HILL article tRumps any WashPost article, as it has actual links to Pfiezers publications.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... ent-delays

so, beyond the fear porn of the WashPost, what else you got, regarding the delay. Pfiezer, itself, says everything is fine. You? blame trump
Detroit Free Press: Michigan health officials say state getting shorted on COVID-19 vaccine; Pfizer disagrees

TPM: What Has Happened To The Promised Doses Of The COVID Vaccine?
Some major problems are already emerging in the initial rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine, and the federal government is not providing any good answers.

The early warning signs:

At least twelve states are reporting cuts in their initial allocations of doses.
One governor is reporting that the total number of doses projected to be available nationwide has been cut by four million monthly.
The vaccine maker reports it is not having production problems and says it has doses in warehouses, but is awaiting direction from the federal government on where to send them.

The combination of no production problems plus doses sitting in warehouses suggests some issue with the federal government’s oversight of the distribution of the vaccine.

But it’s not exactly clear what the hold up is. The federal government has not offered an explanation for the shortfall in available doses.

The reduction was announced during a “CDC/OWS all-state call” Wednesday afternoon, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson Lynn Sutfin told TPM.

Most disturbingly, Illinois Gov. J. B. Pritzker (D) suggested that the entire federal vaccine distribution effort was falling short of what had been expected. Federal officials with Operation Warp Speed have promised a monthly cadence of 20 million doses per each manufacturer per month. But Pritzker said that federal officials had told him that the Trump administration would only be able to distribute 4 million doses of the vaccine per week.

He added that his state would receive half of what it has expected of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine over the next two weeks.

In addition to Pritzker’s Illinois, California, Kansas, Nebraska, Maryland, Michigan, Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Oregon, and Florida have said that they expected to receive less vaccine than federal officials had initially promised, offering different reasons for why.

A spokesperson for California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) told TPM that the “federal government delayed the number of Pfizer vaccines that California will receive in the next shipment.” The spokesperson had no explanation as to why state’s allocation had been reduced.

Gov. Jay Inslee (D) of Washington state said that his state’s vaccine allocation had also been slashed by around 40 percent, without any explanation from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.
So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.
Where can we, the general public, read the vaxx distribution list all these states claim exists.

Come back with someone that is in the medical community that is in the pipeline quoting they are being shorted, not French Laundry types.

let it go........The vaxxine is coming. What is your rush?
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Re: All things CoronaVirus

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ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:35 pm White House press release?
Now there is a reliable source.
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Re: All things CoronaVirus

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njbill wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:24 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:35 pm White House press release?
Now there is a reliable source.
You do realize it was intentional.....for fun.....geez

guess when you tell someone, "chances are, you gonna come out hating someone" when you walk into a bar, it kind of sets the tone of the nite......just saying.
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Oh, missed that.

Haha (belated).
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njbill wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:58 pm Oh, missed that.

Haha (belated).
Y'all need one of these buttons. FWIW no one would have seen the need or the humor or the relevance of this just a year ago. Now you can buy one online..

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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
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Re: All things Trump CoronaVirus

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ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:03 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:58 pm
ABV 8.3% wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:40 pm And, of course, this HILL article tRumps any WashPost article, as it has actual links to Pfiezers publications.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... ent-delays

so, beyond the fear porn of the WashPost, what else you got, regarding the delay. Pfiezer, itself, says everything is fine. You? blame trump
Detroit Free Press: Michigan health officials say state getting shorted on COVID-19 vaccine; Pfizer disagrees

TPM: What Has Happened To The Promised Doses Of The COVID Vaccine?
Some major problems are already emerging in the initial rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine, and the federal government is not providing any good answers.

The early warning signs:

At least twelve states are reporting cuts in their initial allocations of doses.
One governor is reporting that the total number of doses projected to be available nationwide has been cut by four million monthly.
The vaccine maker reports it is not having production problems and says it has doses in warehouses, but is awaiting direction from the federal government on where to send them.

The combination of no production problems plus doses sitting in warehouses suggests some issue with the federal government’s oversight of the distribution of the vaccine.

But it’s not exactly clear what the hold up is. The federal government has not offered an explanation for the shortfall in available doses.

The reduction was announced during a “CDC/OWS all-state call” Wednesday afternoon, Michigan Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson Lynn Sutfin told TPM.

Most disturbingly, Illinois Gov. J. B. Pritzker (D) suggested that the entire federal vaccine distribution effort was falling short of what had been expected. Federal officials with Operation Warp Speed have promised a monthly cadence of 20 million doses per each manufacturer per month. But Pritzker said that federal officials had told him that the Trump administration would only be able to distribute 4 million doses of the vaccine per week.

He added that his state would receive half of what it has expected of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine over the next two weeks.

In addition to Pritzker’s Illinois, California, Kansas, Nebraska, Maryland, Michigan, Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Oregon, and Florida have said that they expected to receive less vaccine than federal officials had initially promised, offering different reasons for why.

A spokesperson for California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) told TPM that the “federal government delayed the number of Pfizer vaccines that California will receive in the next shipment.” The spokesperson had no explanation as to why state’s allocation had been reduced.

Gov. Jay Inslee (D) of Washington state said that his state’s vaccine allocation had also been slashed by around 40 percent, without any explanation from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.
So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.
Where can we, the general public, read the vaxx distribution list all these states claim exists.

Come back with someone that is in the medical community that is in the pipeline quoting they are being shorted, not French Laundry types.

let it go........The vaxxine is coming. What is your rush?
What is the rush?!?

Over 3,600 confirmed deaths yesterday.

Over 230,000 new cases.

Over 113,000 currently hospitalized with COVID-19.

Over 300,000 total confirmed deaths.

This is a national tragedy on a historic scale. Total U.S. deaths during World War II numbered 405,399. We have already surpassed our World War II combat death total of 291,557. We are going to see over 400,000 American deaths from COVID-19 before the pandemic is over ... and I believe we will eclipse the total number of American deaths from World War II.

THAT is the price of putting someone completely unfit for office in the Oval Office ... a guy who spends more time Tweeting than leading.

Those who supported Trump share in the moral culpability for this national tragedy.

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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
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Take Their Word: the Swedish Approach FAILED

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wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
The Swedes ... including their King and Prime Minister ... concede that their lax approach to containing the pandemic has failed. They were honest enough to admit their failure. I think we should accept their assessment, because it must have been extremely difficult to admit that truth.

It’s also time for everyone ... and I mean EVERYONE ... to admit that Trump has failed as well.

This pandemic, and Trump’s incompetent mismanagement of it, will be studied for centuries as a prime example of a botched and sabotaged response to a public health emergency.

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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
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Sweden FAILED: Sweden’s Top Epidemiologist

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wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Sweden’s top epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, has already “sort[ed] it all out.” He admitted six months ago that the lax approach that HE put in place for Sweden had failed. It took the nation’s politicians, including their King and Prime Minister, six additional months to admit their failure.

Sweden’s top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight COVID-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/man-behind- ... %2C%202020.

I find it astounding that some here in the United States continue to hold up Sweden as a model worth emulating ... when the architect of their pandemic response admitted failure last June.

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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
i doubt it, maybe vitamin d? we're our own animal and too late now, anyway. get the vaxx. whaddaya got to lose?
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Re: All things CoronaVirus

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
Yeah, if you’re interested in learning how to cook up a great dish of Raggmunk & Lingonberries.

But if you’re interested in how to respond properly to a deadly pandemic? No.

If you want to know how to handle a pandemic correctly, look to South Korea, which declared a national “crisis” last week because they had more than 680 new cases on consecutive days. Yes ... 680.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/worl ... world.html

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Re: All things CoronaVirus

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
If you want to know how to handle a pandemic correctly, look to my niece's kindergarten class. Which declared a "crisis” last week and shut down because they had just 1 new case in their entire school. Yes ... 1.

:lol:
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kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
If you want to know how to handle a pandemic correctly, look to my niece's kindergarten class. Which declared a "crisis” last week and shut down because they had just 1 new case in their entire school. Yes ... 1.

:lol:
Much higher % of their population than South Korea's 680 cases...right?
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:39 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
i doubt it, maybe vitamin d? we're our own animal and too late now, anyway. get the vaxx. whaddaya got to lose?
Do you know if excess deaths or expected deaths are adjusted to account for lack of mobility and shut downs given COVID?
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:35 pm :!:
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:39 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
i doubt it, maybe vitamin d? we're our own animal and too late now, anyway. get the vaxx. whaddaya got to lose?
Do you know if excess deaths or expected deaths are adjusted to account for lack of mobility and shut downs given COVID?
i'm not sure anyone will tackle that with a consensus behind them. surely, some will try and give cross-country comparisons.

accepted will likely be from each nation's health authority and the euromomos and eurostats of the world the excess deaths and expected deaths vs "normal" years and trends.

and what kings say.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:02 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:35 pm :!:
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:39 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:30 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:57 pm we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx
We should do what Sweden did.
we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.
Can we learn anything at all from them?
i doubt it, maybe vitamin d? we're our own animal and too late now, anyway. get the vaxx. whaddaya got to lose?
Do you know if excess deaths or expected deaths are adjusted to account for lack of mobility and shut downs given COVID?
i'm not sure anyone will tackle that with a consensus behind them. surely, some will try and give cross-country comparisons.

accepted will likely be from each nation's health authority and the euromomos and eurostats of the world the excess deaths and expected deaths vs "normal" years and trends.

and what kings say.
If you can’t compare apples to apples, not sure of the value. My layman’s logic says any number calculated should be adjusted upwards because people haven’t been as mobile this year. If we were operating under these guidelines with no virus, I would think deaths would go down. Less out and about and less contact between humans would lead me to believe we would have less deaths. But someone could argue the opposite.
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