All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

...and yet, you don't defend her, or her demographic. Just feed the fear porn monster. Interesting principles.

You are one of those “I will buy the beer for the kids” kind of guys. This looks promising

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

What age do you consider a "kid"?

Old enough to put on a uniform, old enough for a beer. Don't you think.

I hate drinking and drivers who do it. More hate for texters. You have so much pretend love, your biting pretend sarcasm betrays and reveals the real, angry you.

Anyone still in high school.

you can't be 20, on sugar mountain.......but you certainly can still be in high school. Just ask Duke.

So you are one of the “I will buy the beer and the boys can drink in my basement” type parents?

[runrussellrun]

...and yet, you don't defend her, or her demographic. Just feed the fear porn monster. Interesting principles.

You are one of those “I will buy the beer for the kids” kind of guys. This looks promising

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

What age do you consider a "kid"?

Old enough to put on a uniform, old enough for a beer. Don't you think.

I hate drinking and drivers who do it. More hate for texters. You have so much pretend love, your biting pretend sarcasm betrays and reveals the real, angry you.

Anyone still in high school.

you can't be 20, on sugar mountain.......but you certainly can still be in high school. Just ask Duke.

So you are one of the “I will buy the beer and the boys can drink in my basement” type parents?

...that would be the barn....

Not sure what you are projecting......or what it has to do with V19? But, if you want this billgoat diagram of zen, have at it. Bet YOU were the one who drank a parent purchased pilser in basements while in HIGH school......still friends with that hillbilly elegy family of Ohio, aren't you

[Typical Lax Dad]

...and yet, you don't defend her, or her demographic. Just feed the fear porn monster. Interesting principles.

You are one of those “I will buy the beer for the kids” kind of guys. This looks promising

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

What age do you consider a "kid"?

Old enough to put on a uniform, old enough for a beer. Don't you think.

I hate drinking and drivers who do it. More hate for texters. You have so much pretend love, your biting pretend sarcasm betrays and reveals the real, angry you.

Anyone still in high school.

you can't be 20, on sugar mountain.......but you certainly can still be in high school. Just ask Duke.

So you are one of the “I will buy the beer and the boys can drink in my basement” type parents?

...that would be the barn....

Not sure what you are projecting......or what it has to do with V19? But, if you want this billgoat diagram of zen, have at it. Bet YOU were the one who drank a parent purchased pilser in basements while in HIGH school......still friends with that hillbilly elegy family of Ohio, aren't you

You would be wrong about my high school experience. Back then, “athletes” weren’t drinkers. We made one exception. Once a year at the end of basketball season, my sister would invite me an my three best friends to her apartment and would buy a 12 pack for us. I don’t believe we were ever able to finish it. The parents I knew, didn’t have the luxury to buy beer for kids and most that I knew, had no alcohol in the house. My best man’s father drank Blatz and he was the only parent that I saw drink. It was a different time....parents in that community weren’t going to buy alcohol for someone else’s kid. That was in the suburbs. It actually ruined one of my younger teammates prospects. Top player in the state in the sophomore class when I was was senior. Redistricting was going to send him to a school on the other side of town that had an awful program. We were coming off back to back state championships...so he transferred to a suburban private school power. Picked up every bad habit you will find in a town like say “Canton”. I would “right” him from college and he would write back thinking I was “square”. Anyway, instead of ending up playing hoops at Kentucky, UNC, Michigan, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana etc. all of which were recruiting him as a sophomore, he ended up at home playing mid major. He was in a tournament in Nebraska and the Blatz drinkers son went to see him in his hotel room. Had a 5th of Jack and was asking my buddy to tell his roommate how good he was in then 10th grade. His experience stuck with me....I wasn’t going to let my son end up in a hotel room drinking vodka and having some friends fro us talk about HS days....He heard the story often. It eventually sunk in. If you ever meet him, you can ask him if he ever heard the words “don’t be a victim of your circumstances”....he might smile. You can fall victim to a life of comfort and excess.

My buddy is now in Chicago and he has managed to do pretty well. Working in city government in some capacity and doing well.....Was supposed to see him this past Summer but COVID got in the way. Hope to see him next Summer. He is a good guy.

[runrussellrun]

TLD.....One of the funniest fables evah fabricated on these threads.

[Matnum PI]

870K.

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status ... 8734273537

[Matnum PI]

Missouri Governor Parson.

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/sta ... 7493760002

[Typical Lax Dad]

TLD.....One of the funniest fables evah fabricated on these threads.

Exactly. Keep buying alcohol for kids.

[kramerica.inc]

870K.

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status ... 8734273537

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/busi ... mbers.html

[MDlaxfan76]

Cases no longer matter. Cold. And flu season is upon us. Too much asymptomatic transmission.

Hospitalizations are what matter.

Are you saying die at home and we’ll catch up with you at the autopsy?

No. I'm saying in additiono to deaths, start paying more attention to hositalizations, not necessarily simple case numbers. Testing guidelines continue to be all messed up. Some states are still testing all. Others are isolating people. Look at the cases with hospitalizations. It should give us a better idea of the severity of outbreak in certain areas.

Trying to get us back onto Covid rather than teenage drinking...

You are certainly correct that rises in hospitalizations are a precursor to rises in deaths. And certainly that's an important metric to watch.

But obviously this all begins with infections, the amount of actual cases (not just those found by tests), and our only measurement of trends in infections is found through testing. To better understand whether the testing is catching a very high percentage of the actual infections or not, we can look at the rate of positives found in the pool of tests...high positivity rate being especially alarming that there's likely lots more actual infection in the community than what is being identified as a 'case'.

I know that you understand all this, so please don't think I'm talking down to you. (maybe to some knuckleheads, but not you, Kram).

Early on we know that there were huge numbers of actual infections that never were identified individually as there simply weren't enough tests available to test even all those with severe symptoms much less mild and asymptomatic.

And we still have states where positivity rates are very high, meaning lots of infections are going unidentified and thus people are very likely unaware and infecting others...eventually it finds those who are most vulnerable to bad outcomes. We don't really have the option of isolating all those who are at high risk of a bad outcome, as that would mean 120+ million American adults, most still in working age, couldn't come into contact with the rest of the population. Simply not feasible, though amplified mitigation for the very most high risk is certainly a priority.

In order to choke the virus's transmission in a population we need to isolate those infected from everyone else. We can either assume that an exposure = infection, or we can test to determine if infected and release from isolation if not.

But we have a big part of the population that has all sorts of frictions to being able to voluntarily isolate due to exposure and don't want to isolate if no one else knows they are at risk of infecting others...they NEED to work. So, voluntarily being tested may get avoided unless symptoms become overwhelming. So, infection spreads.

And then there's the very large group who deny the virus is even happening, or don't care about what their actions do to put others at risk, as long as they themselves don't have bad outcomes.

I have a heck of a lot less patience with the latter group than I do with those who feel they MUST work to have their family be fed, housed etc. And not much patience either with those unwilling to provide the safety net that allows people who think they've been exposed the ability to decide not to work, to isolate as necessary.

[runrussellrun]

I have a heck of a lot less patience with the latter group than I do with those who feel they MUST work to have their family be fed, housed etc. And not much patience either with those unwilling to provide the safety net that allows people who think they've been exposed the ability to decide not to work, to isolate as necessary.

once again.......who gets to decide whom MUST work....you? tRump? Gov. Hogan?

[MDlaxfan76]

I have a heck of a lot less patience with the latter group than I do with those who feel they MUST work to have their family be fed, housed etc. And not much patience either with those unwilling to provide the safety net that allows people who think they've been exposed the ability to decide not to work, to isolate as necessary.

once again.......who gets to decide whom MUST work....you? tRump? Gov. Hogan?

RRR, please don't drag me down some rat hole with you.

I said there are people who feel they must work, they need the money, they don't have the luxury of time off to isolate to protect others from the spread.

This wasn't about making people work, it's the opposite. It's about not enabling them to have a choice to isolate to the benefit of preventing further spread.

My family has the luxury to isolate, if prudent.
But many families live paycheck to paycheck and absent sufficient support to do otherwise, have to choose whether their family is fed and housed or to help stem a public health crisis by isolating if/when exposed and not yet cleared by a test.

But too many Americans think those who do feel they MUST go to work for their families' basic needs would be "lazy" if they take a government support that allows them to isolate when/if exposed. Go back to work, we need that Smithfield ham...

No symptoms, then you don't need a test, you need to go back to work...wear a mask, if feasible.

[runrussellrun]

I have a heck of a lot less patience with the latter group than I do with those who feel they MUST work to have their family be fed, housed etc. And not much patience either with those unwilling to provide the safety net that allows people who think they've been exposed the ability to decide not to work, to isolate as necessary.

once again.......who gets to decide whom MUST work....you? tRump? Gov. Hogan?

RRR, please don't drag me down some rat hole with you.

I said there are people who feel they must work, they need the money, they don't have the luxury of time off to isolate to protect others from the spread.

This wasn't about making people work, it's the opposite. It's about not enabling them to have a choice to isolate to the benefit of preventing further spread.

My family has the luxury to isolate, if prudent.
But many families live paycheck to paycheck and absent sufficient support to do otherwise, have to choose whether their family is fed and housed or to help stem a public health crisis by isolating if/when exposed and not yet cleared by a test.

But too many Americans think those who do feel they MUST go to work for their families' basic needs would be "lazy" if they take a government support that allows them to isolate when/if exposed. Go back to work, we need that Smithfield ham...

No symptoms, then you don't need a test, you need to go back to work...wear a mask, if feasible.

rat hole, fox hole....either way, you are a coward. Answer the question. WHO decides what is essential. You can always open your doors up to a few people. Bring the ones you are concerned about, into your home. (Didn't tRump try to give people MORE unemployment money, only to laughed at? )

Can you never go a post without talking about yourself and your family?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I have a heck of a lot less patience with the latter group than I do with those who feel they MUST work to have their family be fed, housed etc. And not much patience either with those unwilling to provide the safety net that allows people who think they've been exposed the ability to decide not to work, to isolate as necessary.

once again.......who gets to decide whom MUST work....you? tRump? Gov. Hogan?

RRR, please don't drag me down some rat hole with you.

I said there are people who feel they must work, they need the money, they don't have the luxury of time off to isolate to protect others from the spread.

This wasn't about making people work, it's the opposite. It's about not enabling them to have a choice to isolate to the benefit of preventing further spread.

My family has the luxury to isolate, if prudent.
But many families live paycheck to paycheck and absent sufficient support to do otherwise, have to choose whether their family is fed and housed or to help stem a public health crisis by isolating if/when exposed and not yet cleared by a test.

But too many Americans think those who do feel they MUST go to work for their families' basic needs would be "lazy" if they take a government support that allows them to isolate when/if exposed. Go back to work, we need that Smithfield ham...

No symptoms, then you don't need a test, you need to go back to work...wear a mask, if feasible.

rat hole, fox hole....either way, you are a coward. Answer the question. WHO decides what is essential. You can always open your doors up to a few people. Bring the ones you are concerned about, into your home. (Didn't tRump try to give people MORE unemployment money, only to laughed at? )

Can you never go a post without talking about yourself and your family?

The ruling class decides.

[MDlaxfan76]

I have a heck of a lot less patience with the latter group than I do with those who feel they MUST work to have their family be fed, housed etc. And not much patience either with those unwilling to provide the safety net that allows people who think they've been exposed the ability to decide not to work, to isolate as necessary.

once again.......who gets to decide whom MUST work....you? tRump? Gov. Hogan?

RRR, please don't drag me down some rat hole with you.

I said there are people who feel they must work, they need the money, they don't have the luxury of time off to isolate to protect others from the spread.

This wasn't about making people work, it's the opposite. It's about not enabling them to have a choice to isolate to the benefit of preventing further spread.

My family has the luxury to isolate, if prudent.
But many families live paycheck to paycheck and absent sufficient support to do otherwise, have to choose whether their family is fed and housed or to help stem a public health crisis by isolating if/when exposed and not yet cleared by a test.

But too many Americans think those who do feel they MUST go to work for their families' basic needs would be "lazy" if they take a government support that allows them to isolate when/if exposed. Go back to work, we need that Smithfield ham...

No symptoms, then you don't need a test, you need to go back to work...wear a mask, if feasible.

rat hole, fox hole....either way, you are a coward. Answer the question. WHO decides what is essential. You can always open your doors up to a few people. Bring the ones you are concerned about, into your home. (Didn't tRump try to give people MORE unemployment money, only to laughed at? )

Can you never go a post without talking about yourself and your family?

The ruling class decides.

Thanks, correct.
Which doesn't mean that it's right, much less prudent from a public health perspective.
RRR's question had nothing to do what I'd said (as usual), misrepresenting what I'd said (as usual).

"Essential workers" are not slaves, no one is forcing doctor or nurse to go to work, they simply have a choice during a lockdown that does tell other workers to stay home.

So, too the meat packing plant, deemed "essential"...they too have a choice.

The difference is the doctor has the dough to make the decision that it's not prudent to work, if she so chooses, whereas the meat packer's family goes homeless if she does not...

But RRR just wants to fight...rat hole.
I shouldn't have responded, back to "ignore".

[runrussellrun]

please do....you offer no solutions.

[wgdsr]

now looking like after a hopeful weekend (sun/mon) count that was lower than the last month... this won't be the week we push lower on deaths to match lower hospitalization numbers (60 k down to under 30 k). there's of course a lag, but we seem to be trailing it (deaths down now about 35% from peak vs hospitalizations passing that mark on or about aug 23). hospitalizations also ticked up over the last 3 days more than they have in its recent weekly cycles.

pushing down to the 500s - 600+ would require the big 4 to stop posting well over half of that daily and leaving not a lot of room for the other 46, who have enough 20s and 30s and 40s as it is.

our friends over at ihme have us going into the 5's thru a bunch of october, so we have that going for us. they gotta get gavin and ron on speed dial.

[Typical Lax Dad]

please do....you offer no solutions.

Who needs mitigation efforts. If your are 50+ you had your life.

[Typical Lax Dad]

now looking like after a hopeful weekend (sun/mon) count that was lower than the last month... this won't be the week we push lower on deaths to match lower hospitalization numbers (60 k down to under 30 k). there's of course a lag, but we seem to be trailing it (deaths down now about 35% from peak vs hospitalizations passing that mark on or about aug 23). hospitalizations also ticked up over the last 3 days more than they have in its recent weekly cycles.

pushing down to the 500s - 600+ would require the big 4 to stop posting well over half of that daily and leaving not a lot of room for the other 46, who have enough 20s and 30s and 40s as it is.

our friends over at ihme have us going into the 5's thru a bunch of october, so we have that going for us. they gotta get gavin and ron on speed dial.

Missouri just took the baton.

[wgdsr]

now looking like after a hopeful weekend (sun/mon) count that was lower than the last month... this won't be the week we push lower on deaths to match lower hospitalization numbers (60 k down to under 30 k). there's of course a lag, but we seem to be trailing it (deaths down now about 35% from peak vs hospitalizations passing that mark on or about aug 23). hospitalizations also ticked up over the last 3 days more than they have in its recent weekly cycles.

pushing down to the 500s - 600+ would require the big 4 to stop posting well over half of that daily and leaving not a lot of room for the other 46, who have enough 20s and 30s and 40s as it is.

our friends over at ihme have us going into the 5's thru a bunch of october, so we have that going for us. they gotta get gavin and ron on speed dial.

Missouri just took the baton.

i'm sure they'll be fine. they're coming off the big late summer season, rite of passage. and netflix brought in the tourists.

[seacoaster]

https://twitter.com/clairecmc/status/13 ... 9562192898

Missouri summary:

"Good morning. Over 200,000 Americans dead, the President lies constantly, my state is a hotspot, and our maskless Governor has Covid."