All Things Environment

[Peter Brown]

That is also why we need controlled burns in forests - which is relatively easy in forests without houses/towns.

But back when I lived in N. Florida, it was quite common to travel north into southern GA and see all sorts of controlled burns in forests primarily used for wood pulp production...

Exactly. There's too much dead timber & underbrush in the at risk regions of the west to "sweep" it all, but blaming it on CC & waiting for a GND is just a dodge & cop out.

It's two things. Budgeting and rich people.

The Dept. of interior doesn't have the money, and 90% of these issues are on Federal Land. There's no money for management...it's all being blown trying to keep fires under control and away from properties.

Then the folks...and investors....in these areas don't want the burns. That one might change.

As for budgeting? That's up to Congress to change the investment. We're wasting billions fixing these problems, when we could spend millions to manage forests and PREVENT larger problems. It's what we do soooooo well in America now.

A couple of things could help stipend the fed.state budget for "forest sweeping". (i) Builders incur an "impact fee" for forestry preservation. (ii) instead of releasing their bond once they line their streets with trees, it is released after they have paid their impact fees once the build(s) are completed. (iii) another opportunity for a P3 program...one that uses funds for technology to detect heat/fire using GPS and Thermal imagery with more sq/mile support. (there are programs out there that can find underground water and gas leaks in pipes based on GPS imagery.

Sure, these are 'ideas' that are already likely in use, but there certainly needs to be a better method of response...much like what we see when we are hit with other natural disasters and large utility firms support each other, nationally. Water/Chemical dropping helos on the ready.

Arson isn’t global warming.

Barack says it is CC...

Then there is this...

Arson isn’t global warming.

(Should Democrats be allowed to vote? The idiocy burns).

[RedFromMI]

How dense do you have to be?

Arson is not GW.

Neither is lightning, or a broken power line, or a bad accident (fireworks based gender reveal anyone?)

These may be the _ignition_ sources, but the dryness and climate creating conditions to turn an ignition of a small fire into a huge one are the CC impact.

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. Climate change just makes that MORE important. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

[Peter Brown]

How dense do you have to be?

Arson is not GW.

Neither is lightning, or a broken power line, or a bad accident (fireworks based gender reveal anyone?)

These may be the _ignition_ sources, but the dryness and climate creating conditions to turn an ignition of a small fire into a huge one are the CC impact.

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. Climate change just makes that MORE important. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

The essential thrust of ‘climate change’ is a liberal scam. It’s simply another manner to rip cash out of taxpayers and redirect it to preferred groups. The results are predictably awful as seen in California. PGE stops maintaining power lines, logging is curtailed, PGE funds Newsom’s wife’s vanity movies. Same as it ever was.

Who’s the birdbrain for not knowing the money Trail?

[youthathletics]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

[RedFromMI]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

No - more like controlled burns to keep too much organic matter from building up. "Sweeping" the ground is only doable in fairly restrictive situations (like right around homes where controlled burning won't work).

Also, timber harvesting can be done to help as well - but politically it has a lot of competing interests. Clear cut? Selective cutting?

[youthathletics]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

No - more like controlled burns to keep too much organic matter from building up. "Sweeping" the ground is only doable in fairly restrictive situations (like right around homes where controlled burning won't work).

Also, timber harvesting can be done to help as well - but politically it has a lot of competing interests. Clear cut? Selective cutting?

What you describe is exactly what the generic "sweeping" term implies. I know we are both type A's, but come on. Enjoy you Sunday Red!

[cradleandshoot]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

No - more like controlled burns to keep too much organic matter from building up. "Sweeping" the ground is only doable in fairly restrictive situations (like right around homes where controlled burning won't work).

Also, timber harvesting can be done to help as well - but politically it has a lot of competing interests. Clear cut? Selective cutting?

What you describe is exactly what the generic "sweeping" term implies. I know we are both type A's, but come on. Enjoy you Sunday Red!

What should become clear is that if the people in charge sit on their hands and do nothing these fires will occur every year. Deal with the problem or be ready to deal with the inevitable outcome. I would think the powers that be in California particularly should be more aggressive at identifying the most dangerous areas of dry kindling and deal with them ASAP.

[holmes435]

What should become clear is that if the people in charge sit on their hands and do nothing these fires will occur every year. Deal with the problem or be ready to deal with the inevitable outcome. I would think the powers that be in California particularly should be more aggressive at identifying the most dangerous areas of dry kindling and deal with them ASAP.

You're exactly right. And who is sitting on their hands? ~48% of the land in California is owned by the Federal Government. Another ~48% or so is privately owned. The state owns the remaining ~4%.

So when Trump is complaining about US Forest Service policy, he's complaining about the branch of government he is in charge of.

[6ftstick]

What should become clear is that if the people in charge sit on their hands and do nothing these fires will occur every year. Deal with the problem or be ready to deal with the inevitable outcome. I would think the powers that be in California particularly should be more aggressive at identifying the most dangerous areas of dry kindling and deal with them ASAP.

You're exactly right. And who is sitting on their hands? ~48% of the land in California is owned by the Federal Government. Another ~48% or so is privately owned. The state owns the remaining ~4%.

So when Trump is complaining about US Forest Service policy, he's complaining about the branch of government he is in charge of.

And the California legislature doesn't restrict and regulate forestry management within the state. No matter who owns the land!

And the DEC LISTENs to Any republican regarding the environment. What world do you live in?

[cradleandshoot]

What should become clear is that if the people in charge sit on their hands and do nothing these fires will occur every year. Deal with the problem or be ready to deal with the inevitable outcome. I would think the powers that be in California particularly should be more aggressive at identifying the most dangerous areas of dry kindling and deal with them ASAP.

You're exactly right. And who is sitting on their hands? ~48% of the land in California is owned by the Federal Government. Another ~48% or so is privately owned. The state owns the remaining ~4%.

So when Trump is complaining about US Forest Service policy, he's complaining about the branch of government he is in charge of.

This is a problem that started long before trump. Hopefully these horrendous wildfires will be a wakeup call to someone.

[old salt]

What should become clear is that if the people in charge sit on their hands and do nothing these fires will occur every year. Deal with the problem or be ready to deal with the inevitable outcome. I would think the powers that be in California particularly should be more aggressive at identifying the most dangerous areas of dry kindling and deal with them ASAP.

You're exactly right. And who is sitting on their hands? ~48% of the land in California is owned by the Federal Government. Another ~48% or so is privately owned. The state owns the remaining ~4%.

So when Trump is complaining about US Forest Service policy, he's complaining about the branch of government he is in charge of.

Are peoples homes within the Federal forests ? That excuse doesn't work when it comes to homes & communities. Cut fire breaks inside the boundary of Federal forest land to stop spread to private land. Then that excuse goes away forcing residents & governments to confront the problem & take measures to deal with it, rather than blaming someone else.

[ardilla secreta]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

When you refer to “sweeping”, you mean clearing hazardous brush and debris?

[youthathletics]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

When you refer to “sweeping”, you mean clearing hazardous brush and debris?

Yes. The term Trump used and was laughed it....rightfully so, but many knew what he meant.

[njbill]

Trump used the term “rake.” He complained that Gavin Newsom was not raking his forests.

Sounds like Trump wasn’t raking his either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwL6GWYg34M

[youthathletics]

Ahh....yes. Thanks for the clarification.

[Typical Lax Dad]

And yes, there may be places where the forest management is not done like it should. You want a forest system that is more resiliant when fires do occur.

Oh...you mean like "sweeping" the forest floors? Yes, that matters...quite significantly.

When you refer to “sweeping”, you mean clearing hazardous brush and debris?

Yes. The term Trump used and was laughed it....rightfully so, but many knew what he meant.

Arborist Trump




Trump just needs to stop talking.

[Peter Brown]

Climate Change is most analogous to Russiagate.

Both have morsels of truth, enough to disguise the intent of the those at the top.

Democrats at the top use those morsels of truth to convince their lemmings that the world is ending.

Media plays its part.

Trump is somehow connected, always.

Massive dollars are raised from the lemmings to prevent said ending of the world.

Those at the top laugh at their lemmings as they buy oceanfront property with the lemmings' cash, because seas are rising or something.

[Peter Brown]

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[cradleandshoot]

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Nothing for him to complain about. He made big bucks scaring people about CC/GW. He might be a classic example of how you get rich in Bernies world of Americanized socialism. You can get super rich if you do it doing things mainstream FLP folks agree with.

[Typical Lax Dad]

"I don't think science knows, actually," Trump said at a Monday briefing with officials in McClellan Park, California, with a laugh.



Got to run to the mall to get some steaks.....be right back.