Is a 2021 season going to happen?

[Farfromgeneva]

Come on man! Now the main stream, agenda filled media is going after “raw dogging”. Those biased bastards.

[Drcthru]

and drinking and driving and unprotected sex and... if we had to pick one, we'd be in trouble. thankfully, we do not.

None of which are communicable!

[Thor1]

Reports Linking 30-35% Of Big-Ten Athletes With COVID To Myocarditis Were Inaccurate

[bauer4429]

I was feeling optimistic with some football games getting off this weekend, but just saw the Bloomberg article stating 1 in 7 college athletes with Covid get myocarditis.

[pcowlax]

That article is good for a laugh.

[FMUBart]

That article is good for a laugh.

I had the same response, what a joke!

[jhu06]

the big ten returning to football is a good sign. the other schools have practice for weeks now w/football. it's not going to be perfect but I think as time goes on schools are getting smarter about figuring out how to do this. There are probably ads, doctors, sids, etc who are reading this who could explain in good detail what needs to happen and what the costs are. lacrosse might be viewed differently than football which generates the revenue to pay for the testing.

[bauer4429]

Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

[ProudPapa]

Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

Not a joke, but basically just a minor inconvenience for the vast majority.

[pcowlax]

Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

Read the article bauer. It is an absolute joke (and you don’t have to feel bad, there is no “1 in 7” getting myocarditis for you to feel concerned about). I couldn’t have come up with a better parody of COVID hysteria than that. It also shows, unintentionally, how all of the MRI myocarditis data in asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patient is an abomination of medicine. Happy to break it down but this one should be obvious.

[Bart]

Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

Read the article bauer. It is an absolute joke (and you don’t have to feel bad, there is no “1 in 7” getting myocarditis for you to feel concerned about). I couldn’t have come up with a better parody of COVID hysteria than that. It also shows, unintentionally, how all of the MRI myocarditis data in asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patient is an abomination of medicine. Happy to break it down but this one should be obvious.

I've been looking for some type of baseline data regarding this. I found at lease one abstract that looked at endurance athletes and myocarditis pre, during and post cold. The data looks eerily similar to that in the study mentioned above.

Here is a link to the abstract in the journal of cardiovascular magnetic resonance. https://jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com/a ... X-11-S1-O3

[steel_hop]

Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

Read the article bauer. It is an absolute joke (and you don’t have to feel bad, there is no “1 in 7” getting myocarditis for you to feel concerned about). I couldn’t have come up with a better parody of COVID hysteria than that. It also shows, unintentionally, how all of the MRI myocarditis data in asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patient is an abomination of medicine. Happy to break it down but this one should be obvious.

I've been looking for some type of baseline data regarding this. I found at lease one abstract that looked at endurance athletes and myocarditis pre, during and post cold. The data looks eerily similar to that in the study mentioned above.

Here is a link to the abstract in the journal of cardiovascular magnetic resonance. https://jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com/a ... X-11-S1-O3

So in short, there is a concern but that concern is likely no different than any other athlete getting a cold or flu than before COVID appeared. Now, maybe COVID increases the chances of some type of hear issue but the study from the B!G and Bloomberg have made no distinction between whether said athletes had the issue from some other infection prior to being infected with COVID nor do they list the seriousness how serious the infection or inflamation is.

[pcowlax]

Ha! Great study Bart. To review, in the Bloomberg paper, twice as many patients had evidence of “heart muscle injury” due to playing sports than were found to have “myocarditis” due to COVID and endurance athletes are 10x more likely to show “heart stress” on MRIs than non-athletes. That of course fits with all that we know from hundreds of years, thousands of studies and millions of patients showing how exercise increases your risk of heart disease......That same study which showed the heart stress found 47% of athletes after endurance training had elevated levels of troponin, which is the cardiac enzymes that is measured to detect cardiac ischemia i.e. a heart attack. So, based on contextless testing of asymptomatic patients, 47% of endurance athletes have a heart attack when they train. And thanks to Bart’s study, we see that patients with a common cold are between 50-100% (based on the time point you are testing at) more likely to have “myocarditis” than are patients with COVID. Got it. Great science Bloomberg. Happy to write more diatribes but the take home is that there is ZERO data that COVID in asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic patients has the slightest more impact on the heart than even a cold, let alone the flu. Garbage science.

[Thor1]

"Thus, using CMR-based tissue characterization, we hypothesized that colds in elite high-endurance athletes would lead to depressed cardiac function and myocardial inflammation." We should have shut down back in 2009!

[pcowlax]

None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

[Typical Lax Dad]

None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

Myocarditis aside, I am not a fan of large scale sporting events during this pandemic. It will just serve to keep the virus spreading. Pro sports are bad enough, but college and high school sports like football are just not sensible. Had we taken the bitter pill, we might be in a position to resume in the spring under better conditions. Time will tell.

[FMUBart]

None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

Myocarditis aside, I am not a fan of large scale sporting events during this pandemic. It will just serve to keep the virus spreading. Pro sports are bad enough, but college and high school sports like football are just not sensible. Had we taken the bitter pill, we might be in a position to resume in the spring under better conditions. Time will tell.

It's a virus...

[Typical Lax Dad]

None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

Myocarditis aside, I am not a fan of large scale sporting events during this pandemic. It will just serve to keep the virus spreading. Pro sports are bad enough, but college and high school sports like football are just not sensible. Had we taken the bitter pill, we might be in a position to resume in the spring under better conditions. Time will tell.

It's a virus...

Yep. More unnecessary gatherings aren’t good for anyone. Did you see the fans at the Florida State Football game/party?

[HooDat]

It is also stupid however to wear a mask on a beach or while walking on hiking trails or when you are walking through the parking lot at Stop and Shop. This isn't cautious or prudent, it is stupid and ignorant. You do not catch respiratory viruses walking past someone outside.

But you could catch a respiratory virus when, for example, playing a soccer game? Also outside but there's physical contact. What about an outdoor cocktail party? Outside but standing, facing each other, while talking.

PS PCow, that post was great.
PPS I fully understand that you are simply posting a post and not giving me medical advice.

Thank you. I do not like hijacking a lacrosse thread with all of this but this is just about the extent of my online presence and I need to vent. The cocktail party yes. Usually you need to be in a contained space, and for a certain amount of time, to transmit something that is respiratory (it varies somewhat whether it is a droplet pathogen, which travels on microscopic bits of saliva, or truly airborne, which means it is free-floating (verdict still out on the for COVID, I think more likely than not airborne but its a close call)). This is why in the CDC recommendations for who should gets tested (and there is certainly stuff to disagree with in there) one of recs is:

If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:
You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.
A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above.
You should strictly adhere to CDC mitigation protocols, especially if you are interacting with a vulnerable individual. You should adhere to CDC guidelines to protect vulnerable individuals with whom you live.

Look not at the caveats after they say don't get tested but look at the first line. All of what follows is only if you have been in contact for at least 15 minutes. They don't even bother talking about passing contact. You DO NOT catch this walking past someone on the street or on a trail. You do catch it if you are inside, especially in a small room, with someone who is contagious and it is lingering in the air you are breathing. If you catch it at the grocery store it is not because someone walked past you in the produce isle but because they touched the zucchini after touching their mouth, leaving traces, and then you touched the zucchini and touched your eye. If you stand in front of someone talking for a good while, even if outside, absolutely yes, you could get it. Sports are frankly a tough call from my perspective. The proximity itself, because it is fleeting, isn't the issue (the second baseman isn't catching it from the runner running past him). It is the exchange of sweat, spit, etc that gets wiped around. The more of this, and teh more you are panting into each other's face (O and D linemen), the greater the chance of transmission.

late to the party on this one, but just want to thank you, pcowlax, for some great content.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It is also stupid however to wear a mask on a beach or while walking on hiking trails or when you are walking through the parking lot at Stop and Shop. This isn't cautious or prudent, it is stupid and ignorant. You do not catch respiratory viruses walking past someone outside.

But you could catch a respiratory virus when, for example, playing a soccer game? Also outside but there's physical contact. What about an outdoor cocktail party? Outside but standing, facing each other, while talking.

PS PCow, that post was great.
PPS I fully understand that you are simply posting a post and not giving me medical advice.

Thank you. I do not like hijacking a lacrosse thread with all of this but this is just about the extent of my online presence and I need to vent. The cocktail party yes. Usually you need to be in a contained space, and for a certain amount of time, to transmit something that is respiratory (it varies somewhat whether it is a droplet pathogen, which travels on microscopic bits of saliva, or truly airborne, which means it is free-floating (verdict still out on the for COVID, I think more likely than not airborne but its a close call)). This is why in the CDC recommendations for who should gets tested (and there is certainly stuff to disagree with in there) one of recs is:

If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:
You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.
A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above.
You should strictly adhere to CDC mitigation protocols, especially if you are interacting with a vulnerable individual. You should adhere to CDC guidelines to protect vulnerable individuals with whom you live.

Look not at the caveats after they say don't get tested but look at the first line. All of what follows is only if you have been in contact for at least 15 minutes. They don't even bother talking about passing contact. You DO NOT catch this walking past someone on the street or on a trail. You do catch it if you are inside, especially in a small room, with someone who is contagious and it is lingering in the air you are breathing. If you catch it at the grocery store it is not because someone walked past you in the produce isle but because they touched the zucchini after touching their mouth, leaving traces, and then you touched the zucchini and touched your eye. If you stand in front of someone talking for a good while, even if outside, absolutely yes, you could get it. Sports are frankly a tough call from my perspective. The proximity itself, because it is fleeting, isn't the issue (the second baseman isn't catching it from the runner running past him). It is the exchange of sweat, spit, etc that gets wiped around. The more of this, and teh more you are panting into each other's face (O and D linemen), the greater the chance of transmission.

late to the party on this one, but just want to thank you, pcowlax, for some great content.

Yep. This is why it makes very little sense to have indoor activities with a large group of people who are not wearing a mask. There was a good study awhile back about transmission inside a restaurant.