All things CoronaVirus

[Trinity]

“I have never been so sure of something as I am about the demise of Donald J. Trump. This pandemic makes me yearn for the nefarious, calculated responses of Bush. It makes me wish we had the braindead recalcitrance of Reagan. This dumb orange baboon is finished, useless, a husk.”

Rogue WH Senior Advisor.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

dont know how much this is worth but here it is: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 592807.cms

[jhu72]

The government left international airports unprepared last night for the flood of Americans racing to return from infected Europe. Chaos naturally ensued. Passengers were packed together like cattle for hours before dispersion into the country.

An interesting point by @AshleyRParker and co: Jared Kushner has no experience running disease response and he has “zero expertise in infectious diseases and little experience marshaling the full bureaucracy behind a cause.”

Jared Kushner couldn't organize a circle jerk and jerking off is his specialty.

[ardilla secreta]

I do not share your faith in generic younger generations to practice strict social distancing to protect generic older generations. They may take precautions around their own senior family members & friends, but from the big picture perspective, I fear we're on our own & must protect ourselves by self-isolating until a vaccine is available or the virus abates & can be confirmed by widespread testing. For the foreseeable future, our lifestyle & quality of life will be significantly altered. The best we can do is adapt, ride it out, & trust the scientists, medical & health care professionals to guide us through this crisis. It can't be worse than a 9 month deployment at sea. Best wishes to you & your family.

This. I hear over and over at home and at work that it is a virus that effects the older set and not "us". Kids left for spring break last Friday, some to go home and some to Spring Break. Some will stay home and some will return as we are told we are still "open for business" while delivering classes on a distance learning model. From my POV, this is not what Andy wanted but it is where we are at and we get alot of students from the Westchester, NYC, Long Island area. It will be interesting to see how many return.

Yesterday the Erie County commissioner and Buffalo mayor were blasting select bars for not taking the reduced patronage limits and overall situation seriously as younger adults were exercising their right to party. The seven cases in Erie Co involve people in their 20’s, 30’s that had traveled to the NYC area and one from Italy. None hospitalized, but surely came in contacts with others.

[Trinity]

The National Security Council’s tweet on Sunday night was related to HHS hacking and release of disinformation, per sources. The govt realized Sunday that there had been a cyber intrusion and false information was circulating.
Story with @shiramstein
bloomberg.com/amp/news/artic…

[ardilla secreta]

A running list of Trump quotes regarding coronavirus:

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 12: "I have the right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about."

March 13: "I take no responsibility."

[DocBarrister]

A running list of Trump quotes regarding coronavirus:

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

March 12: "I have the right to do a lot of things that people don't even know about."

March 13: "I take no responsibility."

Thank you. That’s a lot of work.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Dow dropped 2,250 points this morning and trading was immediately suspended. Do not recall this happening even during the 2008 financial crisis.

DocBarrister

[jhu72]

YA's number for Germany is incorrect. He did the math wrong. It is currently .22%. It has never been as high as the 1.6%.

[DocBarrister]

Italy reported 368 additional deaths from coronavirus in just the past 24 hours.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/world/co ... index.html

DocBarrister

[jhu72]

Based on this website, as of 1438....current fatality rate in:
US: 1.9%
France: 2.1%
Germany: 1.6%
Spain: 3.7%
South Korea: .91%

Hoping we get down to 1%. That wouldn’t be a bad outcome.

It won’t be easy to match South Korea’s relative “success.”

Fact is, due to decades of Republican resistance to universal healthcare, our health care infrastructure is only built to serve a subset of our population. That leaves us with far fewer hospital beds per capita than nations like South Korea, which has compulsory national health insurance.

The United States has roughly 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people. South Korea, which has seen success mitigating its large outbreak, has more than 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people. China, where hospitals in Hubei were quickly overrun, has 4.3 beds per 1,000 people. Italy, a developed country with a reasonably decent health system, has seen its hospitals overwhelmed and has 3.2 beds per 1,000 people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ied-about/

Garbage Republican health care policies are going to cost American lives in this crisis, even more than they cost lives during times without a crisis.

DocBarrister

Germany is doing 4 times better than SK. YA's number for Germany is wrong!

US has lower average bed occupancy rates (80%). There are currently about 200,000 empty beds. That is to say, out hospital beds are less filled on average. You have to look at both beds per capita and average occupancy. US hospitals are full of people having non-essential elective surgery. Our real "sick" occupancy levels are much lower than reported. Hospitals now are emptying out electives in preparation. I don't think beds are really our limiting resource currently, it is likely respirators.

[foreverlax]

Dow dropped 2,250 points this morning and trading was immediately suspended. Do not recall this happening even during the 2008 financial crisis.

DocBarrister

Maybe a couple of times, but nothing like this. Up and down several thousand, will be the norm for sometime.

They better announce real money going out, today....I think a fan is in the right camp. I'd be surprised to see a U type rebound...forget about a V

[Typical Lax Dad]

Based on this website, as of 1438....current fatality rate in:
US: 1.9%
France: 2.1%
Germany: 1.6%
Spain: 3.7%
South Korea: .91%

Hoping we get down to 1%. That wouldn’t be a bad outcome.

It won’t be easy to match South Korea’s relative “success.”

Fact is, due to decades of Republican resistance to universal healthcare, our health care infrastructure is only built to serve a subset of our population. That leaves us with far fewer hospital beds per capita than nations like South Korea, which has compulsory national health insurance.

The United States has roughly 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people. South Korea, which has seen success mitigating its large outbreak, has more than 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people. China, where hospitals in Hubei were quickly overrun, has 4.3 beds per 1,000 people. Italy, a developed country with a reasonably decent health system, has seen its hospitals overwhelmed and has 3.2 beds per 1,000 people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ied-about/

Garbage Republican health care policies are going to cost American lives in this crisis, even more than they cost lives during times without a crisis.

DocBarrister

Germany is doing 4 times better than SK. YA's number for Germany is wrong!

US has lower average bed occupancy rates (80%). There are currently about 200,000 empty beds. That is to say, out hospital beds are less filled on average. You have to look at both beds per capita and average occupancy. US hospitals are full of people having non-essential elective surgery. Our real "sick" occupancy levels are much lower than reported. Hospitals now are emptying out electives in preparation. I don't think beds are really our limiting resource currently, it is likely respirators.

That is good information.

[Kismet]

NY Governor Cuomo announces deal with New Jersey and Connecticut to close gyms, movie theaters, bars, restaurants and casinos at 8p tonight (Monday).

“We have agreed to a common set of rules that will pertain in all of our states.”

[DocBarrister]

Based on this website, as of 1438....current fatality rate in:
US: 1.9%
France: 2.1%
Germany: 1.6%
Spain: 3.7%
South Korea: .91%

Hoping we get down to 1%. That wouldn’t be a bad outcome.

It won’t be easy to match South Korea’s relative “success.”

Fact is, due to decades of Republican resistance to universal healthcare, our health care infrastructure is only built to serve a subset of our population. That leaves us with far fewer hospital beds per capita than nations like South Korea, which has compulsory national health insurance.

The United States has roughly 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people. South Korea, which has seen success mitigating its large outbreak, has more than 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people. China, where hospitals in Hubei were quickly overrun, has 4.3 beds per 1,000 people. Italy, a developed country with a reasonably decent health system, has seen its hospitals overwhelmed and has 3.2 beds per 1,000 people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ied-about/

Garbage Republican health care policies are going to cost American lives in this crisis, even more than they cost lives during times without a crisis.

DocBarrister

Germany is doing 4 times better than SK. YA's number for Germany is wrong!

US has lower average bed occupancy rates (80%). There are currently about 200,000 empty beds. That is to say, out hospital beds are less filled on average. You have to look at both beds per capita and average occupancy. US hospitals are full of people having non-essential elective surgery. Our real "sick" occupancy levels are much lower than reported. Hospitals now are emptying out electives in preparation. I don't think beds are really our limiting resource currently, it is likely respirators.

That is good information.

Yes, good information. As the LA Times and others have reported, Germany has one of the highest densities of hospitals per capita in the world and performed 35,000 coronavirus tests last week alone. They also have a culture of calling in sick and staying home when ill (17 sick days taken on average each year). One of the benefits of a good sick leave program that Republicans have resisted for decades.

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

Based on this website, as of 1438....current fatality rate in:
US: 1.9%
France: 2.1%
Germany: 1.6%
Spain: 3.7%
South Korea: .91%

Hoping we get down to 1%. That wouldn’t be a bad outcome.

It won’t be easy to match South Korea’s relative “success.”

Fact is, due to decades of Republican resistance to universal healthcare, our health care infrastructure is only built to serve a subset of our population. That leaves us with far fewer hospital beds per capita than nations like South Korea, which has compulsory national health insurance.

The United States has roughly 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people. South Korea, which has seen success mitigating its large outbreak, has more than 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people. China, where hospitals in Hubei were quickly overrun, has 4.3 beds per 1,000 people. Italy, a developed country with a reasonably decent health system, has seen its hospitals overwhelmed and has 3.2 beds per 1,000 people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ied-about/

Garbage Republican health care policies are going to cost American lives in this crisis, even more than they cost lives during times without a crisis.

DocBarrister

Germany is doing 4 times better than SK. YA's number for Germany is wrong!

US has lower average bed occupancy rates (80%). There are currently about 200,000 empty beds. That is to say, out hospital beds are less filled on average. You have to look at both beds per capita and average occupancy. US hospitals are full of people having non-essential elective surgery. Our real "sick" occupancy levels are much lower than reported. Hospitals now are emptying out electives in preparation. I don't think beds are really our limiting resource currently, it is likely respirators.

That is good information.

Yes, good information. As the LA Times and others have reported, Germany has one of the highest densities of hospitals per capita in the world and performed 35,000 coronavirus tests last week alone. They also have a culture of calling in sick and staying home when ill (17 sick days taken on average each year). One of the benefits of a good sick leave program that Republicans have resisted for decades.

DocBarrister

Yep.

[MDlaxfan76]

As of yesterday, we'd done less than 25k tests in total...Germany is doing 35k a week.
At what rate will the US be testing by next Monday, the Monday after that?

Of those tested and found to be infected in Florida, more than 50% are below 65 years old. Big chunk under 20.

Fatalities heavier, older.

[youthathletics]

Updated death rate of top contries. JHU, thanks for the correction on Germany. This google doc can be edited by all

[ardilla secreta]

Italy reported 368 additional deaths from coronavirus in just the past 24 hours.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/world/co ... index.html

DocBarrister

Doc, that list was just a cut a paste from a FB post from a young Bernite. Compelling nonetheless.

[Kismet]

Interesting POV from an Italian in America

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/12/ita ... paredness/

Why I’d Rather Be in Italy for the Coronavirus Pandemic


Pretty sobering assessment of where everyone might be headed