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InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:25 pm

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HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:35 am Brecht is essentially plugging every single hole on the roster with transfers rather than using his own guys. Hell if he keeps this up he may not even need any recruits.

Exactly.

So if Brecht doesn't bring transfers in, and his team is worse than what it could have been, is he doing his job?

A little confused by this. There is the equal possibility that he brings in all of these transfers and the team is worse. Only time will tell, each team and season is a different animal.

It is not an equal possibility; that's why the coaches bring in transfers. Terps defense went from bad to great with Nick Grill. Notre Dame got much better with transfers. UNC was much better with Gray. Even much maligned Duke made the final four with Sowers. I'm confused how you think coaches can't tell their existing roster talent level and how to quickly improve it.

That’s not what I said, bringing in transfers can absolutely improve your talent. But it can divide a locker room and make your team worse off than it would’ve been.

Do we have any evidence of it "dividing locker rooms" (?) Is there a team where that's occurred? I think we've seen cases where it hasn't necessarily worked out as expected on the field but that's different than causing problems in the locker room. Not aiming to spark a fight or anything, genuinely curious

jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:26 pm

InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:25 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:49 pm

InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:39 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:20 pm

backerzone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:15 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:35 am Brecht is essentially plugging every single hole on the roster with transfers rather than using his own guys. Hell if he keeps this up he may not even need any recruits.

Exactly.

So if Brecht doesn't bring transfers in, and his team is worse than what it could have been, is he doing his job?

A little confused by this. There is the equal possibility that he brings in all of these transfers and the team is worse. Only time will tell, each team and season is a different animal.

It is not an equal possibility; that's why the coaches bring in transfers. Terps defense went from bad to great with Nick Grill. Notre Dame got much better with transfers. UNC was much better with Gray. Even much maligned Duke made the final four with Sowers. I'm confused how you think coaches can't tell their existing roster talent level and how to quickly improve it.

That’s not what I said, bringing in transfers can absolutely improve your talent. But it can divide a locker room and make your team worse off than it would’ve been.

Do we have any evidence of it "dividing locker rooms" (?) Is there a team where that's occurred? I think we've seen cases where it hasn't necessarily worked out as expected on the field but that's different than causing problems in the locker room. Not aiming to spark a fight or anything, genuinely curious

I’d heard Duke was a bit of a mess from it. They had the talent to manage, but they were a final 4 team before all of these transfers. Often times that kind of stuff isn’t publicized. But 18-23 yr olds often don’t see beyond their own interests. When kids are unhappy and don’t have a selfless personality, they tend to cause strife on a team.

InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:30 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:26 pm

InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:25 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:49 pm

InsiderRoll wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:39 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:20 pm

backerzone wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:15 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:35 am Brecht is essentially plugging every single hole on the roster with transfers rather than using his own guys. Hell if he keeps this up he may not even need any recruits.

Exactly.

So if Brecht doesn't bring transfers in, and his team is worse than what it could have been, is he doing his job?

A little confused by this. There is the equal possibility that he brings in all of these transfers and the team is worse. Only time will tell, each team and season is a different animal.

It is not an equal possibility; that's why the coaches bring in transfers. Terps defense went from bad to great with Nick Grill. Notre Dame got much better with transfers. UNC was much better with Gray. Even much maligned Duke made the final four with Sowers. I'm confused how you think coaches can't tell their existing roster talent level and how to quickly improve it.

That’s not what I said, bringing in transfers can absolutely improve your talent. But it can divide a locker room and make your team worse off than it would’ve been.

Do we have any evidence of it "dividing locker rooms" (?) Is there a team where that's occurred? I think we've seen cases where it hasn't necessarily worked out as expected on the field but that's different than causing problems in the locker room. Not aiming to spark a fight or anything, genuinely curious

I’d heard Duke was a bit of a mess from it. They had the talent to manage, but they were a final 4 team before all of these transfers. Often times that kind of stuff isn’t publicized. But 18-23 yr olds often don’t see beyond their own interests. When kids are unhappy and don’t have a selfless personality, they tend to cause strife on a team.

Interesting. I'd heard some things about some people at Duke being unhappy about how things played out but didn't know if it was isolated or spread throughout the team. Thanks.

Transfers @ 06-21-2021

Air Force - Sean Curcio (M)*** -> Drexel
Albany - Kyle Casey (A)**-> Pace (D2), Matt Eccles (M)**, Tehoka Nanticoke (A)
Binghamton - Tom Galgano (D)**,Teddy Dolan (G)*
Boston U. - Michael Doxie (M)**
Bryant: Mason Balch (A), Ryan Auger (M), Mitch Lachman (A)
Brown - George Pike (M)*, Riley Stewart (M)**, Finn Gibbons (A)**
Bucknell - Matt Fedorjaka (M)** - > Notre Dame, Tommy Sopko (A)**, Sumner Brumbaugh (A)**, Bryant Boswell (D)**
Canisius - Otto Bergmann (G)
Cleveland State - Kevin Sobey (G)
Colgate - Mike Hawkins, (A/M)** -> Notre Dame, James Caddigan (A)**, Thor Adamec (LSM)*, Will Sidari (D)*, Ryan Decker (M)**,
Cornell - Jonathan Donville (M)** -> Maryland, Harrison Bardwell (SSDM)**, Matt Licciardi (M)**
Dartmouth - Peter Rizzotti (LSM), Danny Hincks (G)*, Kellen Paradine (D)**, Westy McLaughlin (A)
Delaware - Peter St. Geme (M)
Detroit Mercy: Logan Shamblin (G)**
Drexel - Kyle DeCrispino (A) -> Mount St. Mary's, Aidan Coll (A)**, Brennan Greenwald (LSM)*
Duke - JP Basile (A)**-> Villanova
Georgetown - Gavin Lindsay (SSDM)**
Hartford - 10+ Players, Ian Groom (FO) ->Hampton
Harvard - Austin Madronic (A)*
Hobart: Drew Blanchard (FO)**, Jason Knox (A)
Hofstra - Ben Stewart (M) -> Wagner
Jacksonville - Colby Rogers (FO)
Johns Hopkins - Owen Murphy (A), Brett Baskin (A/M)**Villanova, Luke Shilling (A)**, John Cohen (A), John Schreiber (M), Kaden Brothers (D), Jacob Brunner (M)
Lehigh - Matt Douglas (LSM/D)** —> Notre Dame
Marist - Jake Weinman (A)**, Jack Zukowski (SSDM)** -> Duke
Marquette - John Hulsman (G)**-> Florida Tech (DII)
Maryland- Connor Whalen (LSM), Dean Draughan (M), Kyle Berkeley (M)**-> Towson, Conor Calderone (FO), Nick DeMaio (A), Chris Brandau (G)
Mercer - Collin Stewart (M)
Michigan - Kevin Mack (A)**, Alex Buckanavage (M)**, Joey Corbett (M)
Monmouth: Chris Hervada (D)** Villanova, Dom Pizzulli (A)**
Mount St. Mary's - Luke Frankeny (A)**, Bryan McIntosh (D)** -> Hofstra, Sam Stephen (FO)**-> Rutgers
Navy - Tyler Cordes (M) *** -> Syracuse
North Carolina - Will Bowen (D)** -> Georgetown, Caton Johnson (G)-> Ohio State, Luke Millican (G)**, Alex Trippi **(A), Parker Alexander (SSDM)**, Brian Cameron (A) -> Rutgers
Notre Dame: Michael Drake (A/M)**, Matt Schmidt (G)**; Connor Morin (A)**, Jimmy Littlefield (D)**
Ohio State - Gerard Kane (A) -> Hofstra, Drew Elder (FO) -> Tampa (DII), Grant Mitchell (M), Michael Clibanoff (G), Matthew Clibanoff (A), Henry Watson (D), Logan Santos (M)
Penn - Mitch Bartolo (A/M)**-> Rutgers , Sean Lulley (A)**->Duke
Penn State - Cole Willard (M)** -> Tampa (DII), John Nostrant (M)**
Providence - Toby Burgdorf (G)** -> Rutgers, Emmett Jennings (D)**
Richmond - Jax Popovich (FO) -> Boston U., Jason Reynolds (D)** —> Notre Dame, Tate Gallagher (M)**
Robert Morris - Michael Autry (FO)**
Rutgers - Max Beauchamp (M)
Sacred Heart: Logan Liljeberg (A)**—>UMass
St. Bonaventure - Brett Dobson (G)**
St. John’s - Dylan Willis (M) -> (Withdrawn on 5/4)
Stony Brook - Daniel Cassidy (D)**, Layton Harrell (A), Tommy Dolciotto (M), Zach Thompson (A), Steven Pinto (M), Kyle Hebert (G)**, Devin O’Leary **(LSM/D)
Syracuse - Zach Lee (D), JT Stirpe (A), Nathan McPeak (G)**, Luke Talago (FO)
Towson - Casey Wasserman (M)->Utah
UMass - Luke Blanc (A)->Marquette , Tyler Strub (D)
UMBC - Ryan Young (D)
Villanova - Keegan Khan (A)**, Owen PrybylskI (D)**, Dan Fisher (FO)**, Stevie Peters (M)**, Brendan Haggerty (G)**
Virginia - Will Rock (LSM)**, Regan Quinn (M)**, Russell Maher (A/M), Gavin Tygh (FO), Jackson Appelt (A)**, Michael Harmeyer (A)
VMI - Jon Fant (A) -> St. Joe’s
Vermont: Connor Boyle (M)
Yale - Nick Caccamo (D) -> Syracuse

Division 2/3
Amherst (D3) - Gib Versfeld (G)** -> Johns Hopkins, Ethan Kazmierski (M)**
Franklin & Marshall (D3) - Luke Keating (A)**->Villanova
Gettysburg (D3) - Andrew Horn (D)**
Lynchburg (D3) - Tyler Gallagher (D)** ->Ohio State
Mercyhurst (D2) - Caleb Kueber (A)**, John Pipher (A)**, Nathan Grenon (M)**
Salisbury (D3) - Brad Apgar (D)**-> Rutgers, Griffin Moroney (A)**
Stevens Tech (D3) - Ryan Gebhardt (A/M)**
SUNY-Maritime (D3) - Matt DeMeo (M)! -> Stony Brook
Tufts (D3) - Max Waldbaum (A)** -> Jacksonville
Ursinus (D3) - Hakan Atillasoy (A)**
Wesleyan (D3) - Ronan Jacoby (A)** -> Rutgers
York (D3) - Brendan O'Sullivan (A)**

* in the portal for the future 2023
** grad transfer
*** transfer from Military Prep
! For future 2022

BOLD most recent

7 Buckeyes in the portal is interesting. Only Mitchell was a real contributor but still a little eyebrow raising. And it's not like they carried a big roster in 2021

One thing in reading all the transfers list and where everyone is going (everyone seems to be transferring up), that coupled with the later recruiting cycle where it is harder to miss on recruits, will there ever be a non blue chip program to win a NC again? The rich constantly are get richer

jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm One thing in reading all the transfers list and where everyone is going (everyone seems to be transferring up), that coupled with the later recruiting cycle where it is harder to miss on recruits, will there ever be a non blue chip program to win a NC again? The rich constantly are get richer

+1000…. The transfer genie isn’t going back in the bottle unless its legislated back…like it took legislation to end the early recruiting farce.

jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm One thing in reading all the transfers list and where everyone is going (everyone seems to be transferring up), that coupled with the later recruiting cycle where it is harder to miss on recruits, will there ever be a non blue chip program to win a NC again? The rich constantly are get richer

I mean, did we have many to begin with? Denver had the best coach ever, who made Princeton into a "blue chip program" even though they weren't close to that before or since.

So then we have Loyola in '12 and Yale in '18. There's been a few more programs in the top end mix than there was in the 90s or early 00's but ultimately this is still a heavy blue blood sport.

jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm One thing in reading all the transfers list and where everyone is going (everyone seems to be transferring up), that coupled with the later recruiting cycle where it is harder to miss on recruits, will there ever be a non blue chip program to win a NC again? The rich constantly are get richer

Eh I see:

Albany to Pace
Drexel to MSM
Duke to Nova
PSU to Tampa
Hofstra to Wagner
Hopkins to Nova
Marquette to FL Tech
Maryland to Towson
UNC to OSU isn’t lateral by any stretch
OSU to Hofstra
OSU to Tampa
Towson to Utah
UMass to Marquette

Kikin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:20 pm It is one thing to "plug a few holes" and another thing to get most of your starters for the next season out of the transfer portal. Bad for future recruiting, if you are a freshman or sophomore looking to get playing time and you are suddenly third or fourth string, this will cause future recruits to reconsider committing to schools that are doing that.

Notre Dame has brought in a ton of transfers the past few years. They have 4 5-star recruits and 16 4 stars in the next 2 classes. That doesn't support your point.

I think it might not affect HS recruiting so much. ND is a great school and Mom and Dad would love Johnny to go there. Also as a 17 year old to be recruited to ND, niow that is pretty cool but I think if they knew they would not be playing thats a different story. Unfortunately, every kid recruited by ND or Duke or UVA thinks they will find the field somehow because they do not know what its like to not be playing (yet).

Lets say you are talented sophomore though and you get recruited over by Grad transfers and say Georgetown comes calling? Does that change your tune? Are you staying in South Bend still?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:12 pm

jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm One thing in reading all the transfers list and where everyone is going (everyone seems to be transferring up), that coupled with the later recruiting cycle where it is harder to miss on recruits, will there ever be a non blue chip program to win a NC again? The rich constantly are get richer

Eh I see:

Albany to Pace
Drexel to MSM
Duke to Nova
PSU to Tampa
Hofstra to Wagner
Hopkins to Nova
Marquette to FL Tech
Maryland to Towson
UNC to OSU isn’t lateral by any stretch
OSU to Hofstra
OSU to Tampa
Towson to Utah
UMass to Marquette

There's also:
Bucknell to ND
Colgate to ND
Cornell to Maryland
Lehigh to ND
Marist to Duke
Monmouth to Nova
MSM to Hofstra
MSM to Rutgers
Providence to Rutgers
Richmond to ND
Scared Heart to UMass
VMI to St. Joes

jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:33 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:12 pm

jerseyjames wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:27 pm One thing in reading all the transfers list and where everyone is going (everyone seems to be transferring up), that coupled with the later recruiting cycle where it is harder to miss on recruits, will there ever be a non blue chip program to win a NC again? The rich constantly are get richer

Eh I see:

Albany to Pace
Drexel to MSM
Duke to Nova
PSU to Tampa
Hofstra to Wagner
Hopkins to Nova
Marquette to FL Tech
Maryland to Towson
UNC to OSU isn’t lateral by any stretch
OSU to Hofstra
OSU to Tampa
Towson to Utah
UMass to Marquette

There's also:
Bucknell to ND
Colgate to ND
Cornell to Maryland
Lehigh to ND
Marist to Duke
Monmouth to Nova
MSM to Hofstra
MSM to Rutgers
Providence to Rutgers
Richmond to ND
Scared Heart to UMass
VMI to St. Joes

You said “all”

Just curious- we see d3 kids transferring to d1 all the time but not vice versa? Some d3 schools have grad programs.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:14 pm

Kikin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:20 pm It is one thing to "plug a few holes" and another thing to get most of your starters for the next season out of the transfer portal. Bad for future recruiting, if you are a freshman or sophomore looking to get playing time and you are suddenly third or fourth string, this will cause future recruits to reconsider committing to schools that are doing that.

Notre Dame has brought in a ton of transfers the past few years. They have 4 5-star recruits and 16 4 stars in the next 2 classes. That doesn't support your point.

The Transfer Portal was used heavily by certain teams for the 1st time last year. It’s to early too know it’s effect on high school recruiting. It would be logical to assume it would impact some decision making, but we won’t know to what extent for a few recruiting cycles. The early returns are that the teams who participated heavily in it, didn’t outperform other good teams, who didn’t.

blue angels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:33 am

keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:14 pm

Kikin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:20 pm It is one thing to "plug a few holes" and another thing to get most of your starters for the next season out of the transfer portal. Bad for future recruiting, if you are a freshman or sophomore looking to get playing time and you are suddenly third or fourth string, this will cause future recruits to reconsider committing to schools that are doing that.

Notre Dame has brought in a ton of transfers the past few years. They have 4 5-star recruits and 16 4 stars in the next 2 classes. That doesn't support your point.

The Transfer Portal was used heavily by certain teams for the 1st time last year. It’s too early too know it’s effect on high school recruiting. It would be logical to assume it would impact some decision making, but we won’t know to what extent for a few recruiting cycles. The early returns are that the teams who participated heavily in it, didn’t outperform other good teams, who didn’t.

Who participated “heavy” in it last year?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:57 am

blue angels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:33 am

keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:14 pm

Kikin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:20 pm It is one thing to "plug a few holes" and another thing to get most of your starters for the next season out of the transfer portal. Bad for future recruiting, if you are a freshman or sophomore looking to get playing time and you are suddenly third or fourth string, this will cause future recruits to reconsider committing to schools that are doing that.

Notre Dame has brought in a ton of transfers the past few years. They have 4 5-star recruits and 16 4 stars in the next 2 classes. That doesn't support your point.

The Transfer Portal was used heavily by certain teams for the 1st time last year. It’s too early too know it’s effect on high school recruiting. It would be logical to assume it would impact some decision making, but we won’t know to what extent for a few recruiting cycles. The early returns are that the teams who participated heavily in it, didn’t outperform other good teams, who didn’t.

Who participated “heavy” in it last year?

Are you serious? Duke, Denver, Notre Dame, Rutgers to name a few…

blue angels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:05 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:57 am

blue angels wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:33 am

keno in reno wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:14 pm

Kikin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:20 pm It is one thing to "plug a few holes" and another thing to get most of your starters for the next season out of the transfer portal. Bad for future recruiting, if you are a freshman or sophomore looking to get playing time and you are suddenly third or fourth string, this will cause future recruits to reconsider committing to schools that are doing that.

Notre Dame has brought in a ton of transfers the past few years. They have 4 5-star recruits and 16 4 stars in the next 2 classes. That doesn't support your point.

The Transfer Portal was used heavily by certain teams for the 1st time last year. It’s too early too know it’s effect on high school recruiting. It would be logical to assume it would impact some decision making, but we won’t know to what extent for a few recruiting cycles. The early returns are that the teams who participated heavily in it, didn’t outperform other good teams, who didn’t.

Who participated “heavy” in it last year?

Are you serious? Duke, Denver, Notre Dame, Rutgers to name a few…

I wanted to know what you considered “heavily” in order to set the record. So it would seem 3 players is heavily using the portal? How did those teams do last season? Middling?

Is it fair to say if you had 3 starters or more from the transfer portal that would make you a big user? Just curious?

Blackdoglax wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:31 am Is it fair to say if you had 3 starters or more from the transfer portal that would make you a big user? Just curious?

I would say 3 starters makes you a team that works the transfer portal. Duke had 2 starters. Did Denver have 3? TD split time as a starter. I believe ND had 3 at least? 2 starters isn’t heavily using the portal? Last year was an anomaly in my mind….I want to see who are frequent users of the portal over the next few seasons. Part of my needle is that we all tend to exaggerate….Duke took a lot of arrows and it was only 2 starters Sowers and Adler but I could he wrong…..Rutgers and ND are all in this season it seems. BTW, Maryland has been historically a strategic user of the transfer wire. Tillman seems to use it annually to fill holes. Not sure how active they are now. My guess is he is going to stick to his formula.