Orange Duce

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The late, great Hannibal Lecter:



https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1hbt_IFG89o



This guy has lost his mind.
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This would NEVER happen to the White Collar CRIMINALS in the United States
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 3:02 pm How do you know Biden "abuses his staff on a daily basis"?
It's been "widely reported". :roll:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 9:33 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 3:02 pm How do you know Biden "abuses his staff on a daily basis"?
It's been "widely reported". :roll:
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Nope, it's called Google, maybe you've heard of it. 8-)
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 9:48 pm Nope, it's called Google, maybe you've heard of it. 8-)
Googling "Biden Staff Abuse" brings up NOTHING OF THE SORT OF THING YOU ARE ALLEGING, CRADLE.

Not a stitch of reporting saying Joe Biden is abusive to staff. NADA.

One of Jill Biden's aide got a couple articles posted for staff problems...

WAY down the list is this story at Breitbart, of all places, and if you read it closely, you'll see it uses all the catchy phrases that Jim Comey and Jim Jordan use about the "Biden Crime Family". Innuendo and "people are saying" hogwash.

In short, you're repeating fictions cooked up by rightwing propagandists and trying to paint Joe Biden in a light that confirms your tribes theories.

We've all known about your tendencies at this sort of meme-creation for years now Cranky...and you'll no doubt sputter and spit out your objections about this view to "prove" your heart-felt attitudes.

I'd stick to gardening and poop-scooping themes, it'll cause you much less heartburn than insisting that Joe Biden kicks puppies and curses out interns...and just has, you know, NO character...

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dislaxxic wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 10:12 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 9:48 pm Nope, it's called Google, maybe you've heard of it. 8-)
Googling "Biden Staff Abuse" brings up NOTHING OF THE SORT OF THING YOU ARE ALLEGING, CRADLE.

Not a stitch of reporting saying Joe Biden is abusive to staff. NADA.

One of Jill Biden's aide got a couple articles posted for staff problems...

WAY down the list is this story at Breitbart, of all places, and if you read it closely, you'll see it uses all the catchy phrases that Jim Comey and Jim Jordan use about the "Biden Crime Family". Innuendo and "people are saying" hogwash.

In short, you're repeating fictions cooked up by rightwing propagandists and trying to paint Joe Biden in a light that confirms your tribes theories.

We've all known about your tendencies at this sort of meme-creation for years now Cranky...and you'll no doubt sputter and spit out your objections about this view to "prove" your heart-felt attitudes.

I'd stick to gardening and poop-scooping themes, it'll cause you much less heartburn than insisting that Joe Biden kicks puppies and curses out interns...and just has, you know, NO character...

..
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/biden- ... -president

FTR does this Axios article fit under your definition of right wing claptrap?
I might as well go pick up dog poop. That is a much more pleasant task than trying to have a rational conversation with a far left wing nut. 8-)

At any point in time did you open your eyes while doing your exhaustive search? I found this article in under 10 seconds. :D

NOW GET THE F**K OUT OF MY OFFICE... Your exhaustive research is about as functional as your political pedigree. ;)

Here's your sign..

You have a wonderful day dis.

Jeff Connaughton, a former Biden campaign and Senate aide who was chief of staff to Kaufman when he filled Biden's seat in the Senate, wrote about Biden's temper in his 2012 book on Washington corruption, "The Payoff: Why Wall Street Wins."

Connaughton wrote that as a senator, Biden was an "egomaniacal autocrat … determined to manage his staff through fear."
He told of a time during the 2008 presidential campaign when a 23-year-old fundraising staffer got into the car with Biden.
"Okay, senator, time to do some fundraising calls," the aide said. Biden responded by looking at him and snapping: "Get the f**k out of the car."
Connaughton told Axios that Biden "hides his sharper edge to promote his folksy Uncle Joe image — which is why, when flashes of anger break through, it seems so out of public character
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 6:22 am
dislaxxic wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 10:12 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 9:48 pm Nope, it's called Google, maybe you've heard of it. 8-)
Googling "Biden Staff Abuse" brings up NOTHING OF THE SORT OF THING YOU ARE ALLEGING, CRADLE.

Not a stitch of reporting saying Joe Biden is abusive to staff. NADA.

One of Jill Biden's aide got a couple articles posted for staff problems...

WAY down the list is this story at Breitbart, of all places, and if you read it closely, you'll see it uses all the catchy phrases that Jim Comey and Jim Jordan use about the "Biden Crime Family". Innuendo and "people are saying" hogwash.

In short, you're repeating fictions cooked up by rightwing propagandists and trying to paint Joe Biden in a light that confirms your tribes theories.

We've all known about your tendencies at this sort of meme-creation for years now Cranky...and you'll no doubt sputter and spit out your objections about this view to "prove" your heart-felt attitudes.

I'd stick to gardening and poop-scooping themes, it'll cause you much less heartburn than insisting that Joe Biden kicks puppies and curses out interns...and just has, you know, NO character...

..
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/biden- ... -president

FTR does this Axios article fit under your definition of right wing claptrap?
I might as well go pick up dog poop. That is a much more pleasant task than trying to have a rational conversation with a far left wing nut. 8-)

At any point in time did you open your eyes while doing your exhaustive search? I found this article in under 10 seconds. :D

NOW GET THE F**K OUT OF MY OFFICE... Your exhaustive research is about as functional as your political pedigree. ;)

Here's your sign..

You have a wonderful day dis.

Jeff Connaughton, a former Biden campaign and Senate aide who was chief of staff to Kaufman when he filled Biden's seat in the Senate, wrote about Biden's temper in his 2012 book on Washington corruption, "The Payoff: Why Wall Street Wins."

Connaughton wrote that as a senator, Biden was an "egomaniacal autocrat … determined to manage his staff through fear."
He told of a time during the 2008 presidential campaign when a 23-year-old fundraising staffer got into the car with Biden.
"Okay, senator, time to do some fundraising calls," the aide said. Biden responded by looking at him and snapping: "Get the f**k out of the car."
Connaughton told Axios that Biden "hides his sharper edge to promote his folksy Uncle Joe image — which is why, when flashes of anger break through, it seems so out of public character
Did you read this article? It's pablum for filling pages, and ends up highlighting Connaughton, who wrote a book about his view of politics, and was critical of Biden. Fifty years in public life and this is what you say sums up Biden? Sure. Have you been around a lot of "successful" people? Plenty of them don't suffer fools, have a temper, etc. That's all you have here.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 7:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 6:22 am
dislaxxic wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 10:12 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 9:48 pm Nope, it's called Google, maybe you've heard of it. 8-)
Googling "Biden Staff Abuse" brings up NOTHING OF THE SORT OF THING YOU ARE ALLEGING, CRADLE.

Not a stitch of reporting saying Joe Biden is abusive to staff. NADA.

One of Jill Biden's aide got a couple articles posted for staff problems...

WAY down the list is this story at Breitbart, of all places, and if you read it closely, you'll see it uses all the catchy phrases that Jim Comey and Jim Jordan use about the "Biden Crime Family". Innuendo and "people are saying" hogwash.

In short, you're repeating fictions cooked up by rightwing propagandists and trying to paint Joe Biden in a light that confirms your tribes theories.

We've all known about your tendencies at this sort of meme-creation for years now Cranky...and you'll no doubt sputter and spit out your objections about this view to "prove" your heart-felt attitudes.

I'd stick to gardening and poop-scooping themes, it'll cause you much less heartburn than insisting that Joe Biden kicks puppies and curses out interns...and just has, you know, NO character...

..
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/biden- ... -president

FTR does this Axios article fit under your definition of right wing claptrap?
I might as well go pick up dog poop. That is a much more pleasant task than trying to have a rational conversation with a far left wing nut. 8-)

At any point in time did you open your eyes while doing your exhaustive search? I found this article in under 10 seconds. :D

NOW GET THE F**K OUT OF MY OFFICE... Your exhaustive research is about as functional as your political pedigree. ;)

Here's your sign..

You have a wonderful day dis.

Jeff Connaughton, a former Biden campaign and Senate aide who was chief of staff to Kaufman when he filled Biden's seat in the Senate, wrote about Biden's temper in his 2012 book on Washington corruption, "The Payoff: Why Wall Street Wins."

Connaughton wrote that as a senator, Biden was an "egomaniacal autocrat … determined to manage his staff through fear."
He told of a time during the 2008 presidential campaign when a 23-year-old fundraising staffer got into the car with Biden.
"Okay, senator, time to do some fundraising calls," the aide said. Biden responded by looking at him and snapping: "Get the f**k out of the car."
Connaughton told Axios that Biden "hides his sharper edge to promote his folksy Uncle Joe image — which is why, when flashes of anger break through, it seems so out of public character
Did you read this article? It's pablum for filling pages, and ends up highlighting Connaughton, who wrote a book about his view of politics, and was critical of Biden. Fifty years in public life and this is what you say sums up Biden? Sure. Have you been around a lot of "successful" people? Plenty of them don't suffer fools, have a temper, etc. That's all you have here.
Well there is this little item. ;)

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... ot-vpx.cnn

https://www.axios.com/2021/01/21/biden- ... ing-others

"I’m not joking when I say this: If you’re ever working with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect, talk down to someone, I promise you I will fire you on the spot," he added. "On the spot. No ifs or buts."

Joe Bidens own words... I guess he needs to fire himself? :D

Now this one is a hoot!

Everyone, regardless of their background, is "entitled to be treated with decency and dignity. That’s been missing in a big way the last four years,"

Looks like it is still missing. 8-)
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Such a stupid complaint.
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In more news of the unhinged, Trump trots out a registered sex offender to endorse him at a rally? A dude who was charged with raping a 16 year old at age ~50? 🤮

Birds of a feather I guess...
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 9:00 am Such a stupid complaint.
Yup. From the Oracle.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 9:00 am Such a stupid complaint.
And who knows " stupid complaints" better than you? :lol:
Boy you walked right into that one rookie. :D
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ls/678373/

"Not all that long ago, I thought that the trial currently being held in The People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump would be the last one I’d want to see as the first one tried against the former president. It seemed the least serious of the cases against him. Here’s a man who tried to overthrow American democracy by launching a coup to stay in power. A man who allegedly stole dozens of boxes of classified national-security documents from the White House, some containing secrets about other countries’ nuclear-weapons capabilities, then lied about the documents, concealed them, and obstructed a federal investigation about them.

I thought I would have strongly preferred the cases about those matters to have gone first, particularly the secret-documents case, which substantively would be a lock, were it not for the judge overseeing it. But I feel the need to admit error. The truth is, I’ve come around to the view that People v. Trump is, in at least some ways, the perfect case to put Trump in the dock for the first time, and—I hope, but we’ll see—perhaps prison.

Because this case really captures Donald Trump. The legal commentariat have been engaged in an odd debate about what to call it. “The Stormy Daniels case.” “The hush-money case.” “The porn-star-hush-money case.” (Personally, that’s always been my favorite, and I think it sounds even better in German—Pornostarschweigegeldrechtsfall.) The more legally precise would like it to be known as “the New York business-records-falsification case,” because that’s what the New York penal code says it is. Some high-minded people I know prefer “the New York election-interference prosecution,” because it involves the concealment of a matter that might well have affected the outcome of the 2016 presidential race.

All these locutions work, but what the case is really about is Trump’s modus operandi—lying. He’s a matryoshka doll of mendacity. He lies, usually lies some more, and then often lies about the lies he’s previously told. He told at least 30,573 lies while president, by The Washington Post’s count. He lies almost whenever he opens his mouth, even when truth would better serve him. To be sure, his other criminal cases involve lies—lies about the 2016 election, lies about the military secrets he stole. But the alleged lies in People v. Trump strike at the core of his moral putrescence—and Trump knows it. They are lies allegedly meant to cover up a tawdry man’s tawdry behavior. The case truly embodies Donald Trump. And for that reason, I think, it deeply disturbs him.

That’s what stood out to me last Thursday as I sat in court watching the second day of the cross-examination of the prosecution’s witness, Stormy Daniels, who had taken the stand to testify that she’d met the defendant at a celebrity golf tournament on the south shore of Lake Tahoe in 2006, that he invited her to his room at Harrah’s hotel and casino there (ostensibly as a prelude to dinner), that she (rather unenthusiastically) acceded to his advance, that they then (rather briefly) had sex, and then that, 10 years later, days before the defendant won the 2016 presidential election, she was paid off by the defendant’s fixer and lawyer, Michael Cohen, to keep her mouth shut about it all. (Trump denies having had sex with Daniels, and he also denies having falsified records in an effort to suppress reports of the liaison.)

Strictly speaking, Daniels’s testimony wasn’t necessary—particularly the details about the sex. The case is about whether Trump caused the falsification of business records at his business, and whether that falsification was intended to cover up another crime (among other offenses, violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act). Daniels has absolutely nothing to say about the Trump Organization’s business records, and the fact that she was ultimately paid the hush money isn’t in dispute. The sex strictly doesn’t matter: If Daniels and Trump didn’t have sex—as Trump maintains—but the facts alleged by the New York County District Attorney’s Office were otherwise the same and proved, Trump could still be found guilty of a Class E felony under the New York penal law.

But as we have so often seen over the past nine years, Trump’s instinctive, narcissistic mendacity came into self-defeating play once again—this time by making Daniels’s testimony more significant than it had to be. It’s hard to imagine that many sentient, honest human beings could believe Trump’s denials of having congressed with Daniels. Yet Trump continues to insist on denying it—not only in public, but in court. And not only is sex not an element of the crime, but his strongest defense—the one he could actually skate on—will be to argue that there is insufficient evidence that he knew his people were falsifying business records. This defense faces many problems—including that Trump personally signed (on the Resolute desk!) some checks (made out to Cohen) in packets with false backup attached. Still, Trump would have been best off having his lawyers focus their efforts on the question of his knowledge and intent regarding the payments.

As usual, though, this defendant just couldn’t help himself. The prosecution was entitled to put on evidence of the sex to establish Trump’s motive for the payoff and cover-up. The defendant could have had his lawyers not dispute the point, even stipulate to it. What’s the harm? His political supporters stand by him even though he’s already a civilly adjudicated sex offender, so why would they care one whit about what he did consensually for a couple of minutes with an adult-film actor once upon a time in Stateline, Nevada? Had he not insisted on contesting the point, Daniels might not have had to testify, or at least she might have been on and off the stand in a flash. Because, again, what ultimately matters in the case happened mostly in New York City in 2016.

Trump’s insistence on pointlessly contesting Daniels’s veracity entitled the prosecution to draw her account out even more than it otherwise could have—not only to establish a record on why Trump would have been motivated to hush Daniels up (because sex), but to bolster her credibility with detail of her recollection (about sex). As Justice Juan Merchan later told the defense counsel in denying their motion for a mistrial:

Your denial [of a sexual encounter] puts the jury in a position of having to choose who they believe: Donald Trump, who denies there was an encounter, or Stormy Daniels, who claims there was.

Although the People do not have to prove that a sexual encounter actually did occur, they do have the right to rehabilitate Ms. Daniels’ credibility and to corroborate her story, which was immediately attacked [by the defense] on opening statements.

The more specificity Ms. Daniels can provide about the encounter, the more the jury can weigh to determine whether the encounter did occur and, if so, whether they choose to credit Ms. Daniels’ story.

The result, thanks to the defendant, was the introduction of more evidence that made him look like a duplicitous clod. There were limits, to be sure. Merchan warned the prosecutors before Daniels took the stand that “we don’t need to know the details of the intercourse.” (The universe thanks you, Your Honor.) Accordingly, and in contrast with how some characterized it, Daniels’s testimony wound up not being very “graphic.” As the prosecution later pointed out to the court, “there was not a lot of detail elicited” about “the actual sexual encounter,” which was the subject of only a handful of questions put to the witness. Not just that, but the judge also sustained objections or struck testimony on what position Daniels and the defendant were in, whether she touched his skin, and how Daniels, as they coupled, “was staring at the ceiling … trying to think about anything other than what was happening there.”

In the end, the only somewhat lurid detail about the sex that actually got into the record was that the former president (in contrast with performers at her prophylactic-mandatory then-employer, Wicked Pictures), didn’t wear a condom, which concerned her. And that small factoid got in solely because the defense counsel inexplicably failed to object. (The judge later observed, “For the life of me, I don’t know why [the defense counsel Susan] Necheles didn’t object. She had just made about 10 objections, most of which were sustained. Why on earth she wouldn’t object to the mention of a condom, I don’t understand.”)

So the testimony wasn’t all that sexy, in the literal sense. Still, because of the defendant’s denial of what happened that night at Harrah’s Lake Tahoe, the testimony ended up being deeply embarrassing to Trump. To bolster Daniels’s credibility, the prosecution’s questioning went into great detail about what led up to the fleeting fornication—essentially, her conversations with Trump beforehand. And that brought out some memorable, and highly believable, testimonial gems that perfectly capture the lowbrow, hyper-self-absorbed 45th president of the United States. There’s Trump telling Daniels, “You remind me of my daughter because she is smart and blond and beautiful.” And him admitting that he and his wife, Melania, “actually don’t even sleep in the same room.”

And there’s him repeatedly interrupting Daniels to talk about—whom else?—himself: “He would ask me questions and then not let me finish the answer. He kept cutting me off, and it was almost like he wanted to one-up me, which was just really hilarious when you think about it.” And there’s how, when the self-consumed future defendant asked, “Have you seen my new magazine?” and pulled out an issue with his face on it, Daniels called him “rude, arrogant, and pompous,” and said, “Someone should spank you with that. That’s the only interest I have in that magazine. Otherwise, I am leaving.” And there’s how, when finally faced with the prospect of Daniels walking out, Trump rolled the magazine up and gave it to her.

In that Nevada hotel room that night, Daniels said, she rose to the challenge:

“I took it from him and said, turn around. And I swatted him.”

Where?

“Right on the butt.”

The alleged spanking hardly could have rent Trump’s rump in 2006. But given his extreme vulnerability to narcissistic injury, the story surely had to have inflicted acute trauma upon his most delicate ego when Daniels told it 18 years later.

We need not speculate. The day before, Merchan had ruled on the district attorney’s third motion to hold Trump in contempt for violations of the court’s gag order, which restricts the defendant’s ability to make public statements attacking witnesses. And for the tenth time, Merchan held Trump in contempt. But more important, Merchan gave the defendant a warning. The legal maximum of a $1,000 fine for each count of contempt, the judge observed, had failed to deter Trump from violating the gag order; “therefore, going forward, this Court will have to consider a jail sanction if recommended.” He addressed the defendant directly, in open court: “The last thing I want to do is to put you in jail … But, at the end of the day, I have a job to do, and part of that job is to protect the dignity of the judicial system and compel respect … So, as much as I do not want to impose a jail sanction … I want you to understand that I will, if necessary and appropriate.”

That was where matters stood the next morning, when Daniels testified about the spanking: Trump was so very close to—perhaps just one more contumacious act away from— incarceration. And yet when he heard Daniels say she had spanked him, he almost landed himself in lockup. Not long after that testimony, the court took its regular midmorning break. The jury was excused, and Merchan immediately called the lawyers to the bench. He told the defense counsel that their obviously “upset” client had been “cursing audibly” and “shaking his head.”

Trump had done that, in particular, the judge said, “when Ms. Daniels was testifying about rolling up the magazine, and … smacking your client.” Quelle surprise.

“That’s contemptuous,” said an angry Merchan. “It has the potential to intimidate the witness.” Even without a gag order, and 10 prior violations of it, swearing at a prosecution witness is the kind of conduct that, before some judges, could quickly land a defendant in jail. Merchan commanded: “You need to speak to him. I won’t tolerate that.” And so the lawyers remonstrated with their client during the break. It was all a bit reminiscent of a moment in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation trial, when, within earshot of the jury, Trump had muttered that the trial was a “witch hunt” and a “con job.” The presiding federal district judge, Lewis A. Kaplan, threatened to eject Trump from the courtroom. “I would love it. I would love it,” Trump responded. To which Judge Kaplan replied, “You just can’t control yourself in this circumstance, apparently.”

In Merchan’s courtroom last week, whether Trump could control himself had once again become the question; and once again a judge gave him a break. But the struggle continues, and it’s being waged behind the scenes—largely by Trump’s legal and political teams. Another person battling to maintain his freedom would probably remain focused on that battle, but Trump remains distracted by his petty obsessions and resentments, including of some of the faces he sees in the gallery. A couple of weeks ago, he glared at me. I had smiled at him. He didn’t like that. He also seems to have a particular distaste for the MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell.

Trump’s many grievances pose a problem for him. As Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman of The New York Times reported last week, “People close to Mr. Trump have worried about whether long days in the courtroom have had an effect on his mental state.” The care and feeding of a narcissistic sociopath (see my exposition on that subject five years ago here in The Atlantic) and keeping him on a relatively even emotional keel is difficult—and sometimes impossible—even on a good day, and so Trump’s team has resorted to extraordinary measures to soothe him during this trial.

A key player in the current effort is apparently a young aide named Natalie Harp. Her job—no joke, this was in the Times—is to schlep around a portable printer “so she can quickly provide Mr. Trump with hard copies of mood-boosting news articles and social media posts by people praising him.” Last Thursday, after Daniels’s testimony, team Trump apparently found another use for this device. During the lunch break, Trump posted on his Truth Social account pictures of … me … from Election Night 2016. Alas, in one of the shots, I was, confessedly, rather inebriated. I had tears of joy in my eyes, was wearing a “Make America great again” hat, and was hugging my then-wife, the campaign manager whose remarkable talents had astoundingly just elected a buffoon. “Mr. Kellyanne Conway celebrating my Victory in 2016!” Trump’s post read. (Yes, Donald, supporting you was indeed a low moment in my life. Damn, you sure know how to hurt a guy.)

Now, I mention this not (just) because it is insane, hilarious, and involves me, but because it also makes my point about Trump being his own worst enemy. His uncontrollable pique at his plight, a plight caused by his own poor choices, leads him to make even more poor choices—and here, to impose those choices upon not just his political aides but his lawyers to boot.

Which brings us back to Daniels on the stand.

When prosecutors completed their direct examination of her on Tuesday afternoon, the cross-examination by Trump’s most competent lawyer, Susan Necheles, began. A Yale Law School graduate, she’s the one member of Trump’s current legal team who appears to be universally respected, and with good reason. By all accounts, and from my own limited observation, she’s extremely smart, highly experienced—and an excellent cross-examiner. As a woman, moreover, she was the obvious choice to be the one who cross-examined Daniels before a jury. Necheles started doing a disciplined and seemingly effective job of that on Tuesday afternoon. But she didn’t finish the examination, because it was too late in the day. Court adjourned.

The next day was Wednesday, a day off from the trial—the day each week that Merchan handles his other cases. Normally, when even a small hiatus like that occurs during a witness’s cross-examination, that’s a very good thing for the cross-examining side, and a very bad thing for the witness. The cross-examiner gets the chance to go back through the transcript of the witness’s direct testimony, tighten her lines of cross, focus them on the most important points elicited by the other side, and otherwise sharpen her knives.

But that didn’t happen here. When Thursday’s proceedings began, but before the witness returned to the stand, you could see the dynamic: Trump, sitting at counsel table next to poor Necheles, was talking animatedly into her ear, at length. Watching this, I imagined that the defendant had spent the day off stewing about the spanking. It couldn’t have been much fun for his lawyers.

And the result wasn’t good for the defense. Necheles’s resumed cross-examination was bad, not because Necheles was a bad examiner, but because the examination, for a reason we can all take an educated guess about, became overlong, and overdone. It became too argumentative, too focused on badgering the witness and on attacking trivial aspects of her account. At one point, Necheles absurdly engaged in cross-examining Daniels on the geography of the Stateline, Nevada–South Lake Tahoe, California conurbation, the idea apparently being to challenge Daniels on whether she had actually taken a cab around town instead of walking in her high heels.

The cross also forayed into archaic, even nonsensical, slut-shaming. Sure, the witness made a living engaging in sex on camera for money. But does that really mean she shouldn’t have been horrified to see Donald Trump suddenly take off his clothes? And was there any logic at all in seemingly trying to show that the sex the defense said didn’t occur was consensual because Daniels wanted it? The defense’s cross-examination made Daniels appear more sympathetic than any prosecutor’s direct questioning ever could.

Worse yet, it emboldened Daniels. She’s a smart woman—and she’s clearly strong-willed, with a sharp, quick-witted tongue. Normally it’s not a good idea for witnesses, even smart and tough ones—perhaps especially smart and tough ones—to fence with lawyers too much on cross-examination; witnesses tend to lose credibility when they do. But the belabored and argumentative nature of this cross-examination gave Daniels some running room. And she took every inch of it.

At one point, for example, Necheles asked a question about Daniels’s history of writing porn scripts containing “phony stories about sex [that] appear to be real”—obviously implying that Daniels’s story about Trump in the hotel room was fake, like the scripts. Daniels’s devastating retort: “The sex in the films, it’s very much real. Just like what happened in that room.”

At another point, Necheles attacked Daniels for selling merchandise about Trump’s indictment.

Necheles: Again, you’re celebrating the indictment by selling things from your store, right?

Daniels: Not unlike Mr. Trump.

And then, this jewel of an exchange, in which Necheles got zinged once again, and, by unsuccessfully moving to strike the zinger, drew more attention to it:

Necheles: Okay. Even though you tweeted and celebrated about him being indicted, you have no knowledge of what he was indicted for?

Daniels: There was a lot of indictments.

Necheles: Your Honor, I move to strike that.

Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger: It is responsive, Your Honor.

The court: It’s responsive. Overruled.

I’m pretty sure I saw some of the jurors struggling at times to suppress laughter, as I was. Simply put, Daniels wiped the floor with Necheles. But I don’t blame Necheles. If I had to guess—and I admit I’m speculating here—I’d say that a lot of what Necheles did on Thursday was against her better judgment. To my mind, the cross-examination would have been orders of magnitude better had it been confined mostly to two of the questions Necheles asked toward the end of it: “You know nothing about the business records, right?” “You know nothing about what [the defendant] does or does not know about the business records, right?” At the end of the day, those were the questions that most mattered, to which Daniels’s answers had to be, and were, no, and no. But that testimony got lost in the mix with everything else—thanks to Trump’s easily bruised ego."
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 7:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 6:22 am
dislaxxic wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 10:12 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 9:48 pm Nope, it's called Google, maybe you've heard of it. 8-)
Googling "Biden Staff Abuse" brings up NOTHING OF THE SORT OF THING YOU ARE ALLEGING, CRADLE.

Not a stitch of reporting saying Joe Biden is abusive to staff. NADA.

One of Jill Biden's aide got a couple articles posted for staff problems...

WAY down the list is this story at Breitbart, of all places, and if you read it closely, you'll see it uses all the catchy phrases that Jim Comey and Jim Jordan use about the "Biden Crime Family". Innuendo and "people are saying" hogwash.

In short, you're repeating fictions cooked up by rightwing propagandists and trying to paint Joe Biden in a light that confirms your tribes theories.

We've all known about your tendencies at this sort of meme-creation for years now Cranky...and you'll no doubt sputter and spit out your objections about this view to "prove" your heart-felt attitudes.

I'd stick to gardening and poop-scooping themes, it'll cause you much less heartburn than insisting that Joe Biden kicks puppies and curses out interns...and just has, you know, NO character...

..
https://www.axios.com/2023/07/10/biden- ... -president

FTR does this Axios article fit under your definition of right wing claptrap?
I might as well go pick up dog poop. That is a much more pleasant task than trying to have a rational conversation with a far left wing nut. 8-)

At any point in time did you open your eyes while doing your exhaustive search? I found this article in under 10 seconds. :D

NOW GET THE F**K OUT OF MY OFFICE... Your exhaustive research is about as functional as your political pedigree. ;)

Here's your sign..

You have a wonderful day dis.

Jeff Connaughton, a former Biden campaign and Senate aide who was chief of staff to Kaufman when he filled Biden's seat in the Senate, wrote about Biden's temper in his 2012 book on Washington corruption, "The Payoff: Why Wall Street Wins."

Connaughton wrote that as a senator, Biden was an "egomaniacal autocrat … determined to manage his staff through fear."
He told of a time during the 2008 presidential campaign when a 23-year-old fundraising staffer got into the car with Biden.
"Okay, senator, time to do some fundraising calls," the aide said. Biden responded by looking at him and snapping: "Get the f**k out of the car."
Connaughton told Axios that Biden "hides his sharper edge to promote his folksy Uncle Joe image — which is why, when flashes of anger break through, it seems so out of public character
Did you read this article? It's pablum for filling pages, and ends up highlighting Connaughton, who wrote a book about his view of politics, and was critical of Biden. Fifty years in public life and this is what you say sums up Biden? Sure. Have you been around a lot of "successful" people? Plenty of them don't suffer fools, have a temper, etc. That's all you have here.
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... and his wife thinks he is smart! :lol: :lol:
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jhu72 wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 12:38 pm ... and his wife thinks he is smart! :lol: :lol:
All that acid you dropped in the 60s has taken its toll. :roll:
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The Speaker of the House took the day to travel up to New York City, and provide crucial support for Big Orange Baby. Nice. Governing!!!!
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Trump doing in end around on the gag-order...reading what others (Vivek) was saying.....3d Chess?

https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/1790429079113543913

https://x.com/The_Nomad_News/status/1790431565945925851
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youthathletics wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 6:54 pm Trump doing in end around on the gag-order...reading what others (Vivek) was saying.....3d Chess?

https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/1790429079113543913

https://x.com/The_Nomad_News/status/1790431565945925851
Yes, Trump is using agents, proxies, and Visiting Toadies to violate (not "end around") the Court order prohibiting him from disparaging and intimidating witnesses and court staff. We have all long experienced the toadying expected and required of people in the Trump circle, but the VP Wannabee pilgrimages are on a new order of magnitude.

I did a quick search of the word "toadies" on the Twit, and came up with this:

https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/sta ... 2242020780

Two Florida Congressmen, a Montana governor (not pictured), and a gaslighting weirdo, Vivek, all attired in the same Trump uniform, visiting a NY courthouse, violating the Order for Orange Duce. Even an Apostle like YA has to admit that this is some weird stuff.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 6:42 am
youthathletics wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 6:54 pm Trump doing in end around on the gag-order...reading what others (Vivek) was saying.....3d Chess?

https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/1790429079113543913

https://x.com/The_Nomad_News/status/1790431565945925851
Yes, Trump is using agents, proxies, and Visiting Toadies to violate (not "end around") the Court order prohibiting him from disparaging and intimidating witnesses and court staff. We have all long experienced the toadying expected and required of people in the Trump circle, but the VP Wannabee pilgrimages are on a new order of magnitude.

I did a quick search of the word "toadies" on the Twit, and came up with this:

https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/sta ... 2242020780

Two Florida Congressmen, a Montana governor (not pictured), and a gaslighting weirdo, Vivek, all attired in the same Trump uniform, visiting a NY courthouse, violating the Order for Orange Duce. Even an Apostle like YA has to admit that this is some weird stuff.
Weird stuff? We now live in a world where weird stuff isn't so weird anymore? This weird stuff is trumps folks doing an end run around the judges gag order on trump. I'm certain Democrats would do the same thing if the tables were turned.
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